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Consciousness Expanding Drugs
09-26-2006, 01:08 AM,
#16
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Quote:"DeMenTed" as you describe it isn't the ultimate consciousness to me.


Well no it wouldn't be as you've not done it. That was my point because that was the thread topic.

Look - I'm not saying anything like what you've made out. There is no "ultimate" consciousness but what there is an ultimate psychedelic - and that is something like DMT because as i said it wipes away everything - even language. That was my point.

Whereas "on cannabis" you can still say to yourself "i am stoned" - on DMT or the Amazonian equal [which I can't spell - got round that one!!] you can't even think about thinking about what you are as an entity let alone and entity that has taken a shamanic substance.

I understand what you are saying - but don't take everything personally and as a threat. It's just a discussion and we all have different terms/meanings.
"We are just glorified monkeys in suits.... show me where it's written we should be able to model the cosmos?!" -Terence McKenna, 21st Century Bard
R.I.P-ranks Terence. I miss your take on life.
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09-29-2006, 04:20 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-29-2006, 04:21 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#17
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Anybody who is experienced in the Hendrix sense of the word may have wondered how was it that you could hear all those conversations in all those houses?
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09-29-2006, 04:30 AM,
#18
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Quote:Its now very clear to me that i will go in south America and try ayahuasca next year! have any of you guys try this? and what do you think of chemicals like LSD, DMT, mescaline etc. Should this halucinogens be illegal? I am not trying to make this an erowid like topic:)but i am interested in what role do you think this drugs play in this world ...are they evil and should be wiped out (the sacred plants containing this chemicals) or they should be used like the shamans in peru for exemple (in sacred rituals for discovery)?


Only you know why you've made this decision. If you want to do some armchair testing before you go, perhaps reading the books of Carlos Casteneda might give you some insight. Might save you a trip.



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09-30-2006, 07:54 PM,
#19
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Quote:
Quote:Its now very clear to me that i will go in south America and try ayahuasca next year! have any of you guys try this? and what do you think of chemicals like LSD, DMT, mescaline etc. Should this halucinogens be illegal? I am not trying to make this an erowid like topic:)but i am interested in what role do you think this drugs play in this world ...are they evil and should be wiped out (the sacred plants containing this chemicals) or they should be used like the shamans in peru for exemple (in sacred rituals for discovery)?


Only you know why you've made this decision. If you want to do some armchair testing before you go, perhaps reading the books of Carlos Casteneda might give you some insight. Might save you a trip.


When you experience different plant allies, you do sense something rather hard to put into words, LSA is SO different then LSD, Datura is SO Different from Belladona.

Belladona feels like a time machine, taking you back to a specific period in rapid succession dark bronze tinged machine gun fire visions with retrograde amnesia afterwards.

Datura being of rather similar alkaloid composition feels nothing like that.

Brugmasia very different still.

A rub with an aconite leaf and 20 mins later you know why it was a base for flying ointments the sensation feels like your spirit-soul-is separating from your body, its a weird feeling.

Note: Experiments with Aconite Can Kill - Not Worth the Experience At All - Kill you quicker than a stingray.
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09-30-2006, 08:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-30-2006, 08:35 PM by standvast.)
#20
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ah yes, "drugs"..

[Image: 1589-Moroccan-_pollen_.jpg]

temple balls / isolator hash / handyrolls.

Allmost daily recipe, from Maroccan , to afghan, to Libyan, to Annapurna.
I feel it truely is a "conciousness-expander", if applied in a manner that doesn't
pulverize motivation, or drains all the energy out of a person.
i consider it self-medication, as i'm am physically overactive ADHD-like,
so i use it to get to a level at which my focus changes and my body feels less restless.
Mentally it has opened my eyes to many a thing, and made me a lot milder and less impulsive,
it also helps me to focus on a single thing / topic of interest
without my mind wondering off on sidesteps.. , which is good at times.

[Image: psylocibine.gif]

[Psylocibine], tried it with some good friends, 5 or so times, mostly outside on a nice day, in the forrest.
"reality-altering" is probably a good description, plus i found it has a similar effect as what i've heard
and seen of ayahusca, being that it cleanses the fysical by making it work out toxins.
With ayahusca i've heard it's usuallt due vomitting , but as i've experienced with psylocibine
it made me cough up thick greenish slime from deep in my longues. it was not
at all a horrible experience, gross as it may sound, it felt as a great relief.
When taking a considerable dosage the next day you feel like you've been on a 3week travel through
the omniverse in 6 hours or so, and you'll need to recoup from all the experiences and impressions.

[Image: 2cb.jpg]

[2CB] ..very intense, and from a certain visual aspect, compared to shroomz, it's even more trippy,
took it 3 times, all very positive experiences, low dosage gives a mellow glowy warm buzz,
high dosage gives absolutely stunning visual halucination.

[Image: mdma_summary1.jpg]

[Pure MDMA] tried once, took mine in a rolling paper in powdered form, pure love hippy vibe,
everything seems brightened. and everyone's ya friend, that's the short description.
Going out on the town type thing, .. make sure you hit a place where they play music you digg..,
Not my first choice as it is chemical , but surely don't regret trying it ,.
advice observed from the mistakes of others :don't mix with hard liquor;)

---------

this is not an advertisement for using "drugs", as Halucinogens don't work for everyone,
and one should prepare him/herself before using shroomz/ strong chems, pick a time
place and surrounding in which they feel comfortable.
Just sharing my experiences,.



peace'
standvast.
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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09-30-2006, 10:59 PM,
#21
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Wow, who needs to watch Altered States when you guys are here chatting about it :D
has any one seen that old movie by the way , very interesting film.
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09-30-2006, 11:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-30-2006, 11:12 PM by SerialExpLain.)
#22
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Nice shroomz...:D

By the by, anybody know the current legislation on Salvia Divinorum in US, Canada, EU, etc.?

Terrance McKenna was very impressed by Salvia Divinorum, somewhere out there is a great vid by him on it, a talk he gave on Salvia Divinorum. I'll try to find it.

Altered States, great flick, I remember that!
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10-13-2006, 05:37 AM,
#23
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http://www.ethnobotanicals.com/ayahuasca-b...psis-caapi.html
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10-13-2006, 05:39 AM,
#24
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Quote:Nice shroomz...:D

By the by, anybody know the current legislation on Salvia Divinorum in US, Canada, EU, etc.?

Terrance McKenna was very impressed by Salvia Divinorum, somewhere out there is a great vid by him on it, a talk he gave on Salvia Divinorum. I'll try to find it.

Altered States, great flick, I remember that!

That Salvia Divinorum extract is fantastic!! I've had 10,15,20, and 30X The 30 is for experienced trippers only though.
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01-23-2007, 10:22 AM,
#25
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Quote:Im 50 and have never partaken as have not had the desire to.

An observation though, take a look at anyone over say 35 who has regularly taken drugs (weed etc) and notice how slow witted they are (and paranoid) ...nuff said.
...that or go to Amsterdam and take a look at the "coffee shop" staff!


REMEMBER, many of the street drugs are made by the same people who gave you thalidomide, etc. That or the "natural" stuff is genetically modified. see http://cannabisnews.com/news/20/thread20134.shtml
And do you really want to smoke something that entered the country up someones arse?

However, if the topic is using shamanic substances, I would suggest that this is ONLY done under supervision of shamanic experts as otherwise you could easily fuck yourself up. I have had reason to treat people (using hypnosis) who have become totally disconnected from daily life by "experimenting" on their own.

Yes you are right. the body has its own opiate receptors and manufactures its own DMT. However to say this must mean its safe is like saying that because the body makes its own cholestorol that its ok to pig out at the "scottish restaurant" with no ill effects (just ask Morgan Spurlock!)

Just to clear things up a bit, most of the post quoted post is not true. When talking about a substance you of course talk about the actual thing, not the point if it's smuggled in someones rear.

Slow witted.. that kind of result can be seen from intensive everyday use. Used on weekends or on monthly basis weed will not affect your witt nor how paranoid you are. This of course when talking about natural substances.

Psychedelics are a much needed spice to ones life. You need to be ready for it and the right motivations. I like to take about 4 intensive trips a year. Salvia, DMT, psilocydin and LSD have really had a huge influence on my life. Positive in all ways.
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01-24-2007, 10:51 AM,
#26
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Quote:
Quote:"DeMenTed" as you describe it isn't the ultimate consciousness to me.


Well no it wouldn't be as you've not done it. That was my point because that was the thread topic.

Look - I'm not saying anything like what you've made out. There is no "ultimate" consciousness but what there is an ultimate psychedelic - and that is something like DMT because as i said it wipes away everything - even language. That was my point.

Whereas "on cannabis" you can still say to yourself "i am stoned" - on DMT or the Amazonian equal [which I can't spell - got round that one!!] you can't even think about thinking about what you are as an entity let alone and entity that has taken a shamanic substance.

I understand what you are saying - but don't take everything personally and as a threat. It's just a discussion and we all have different terms/meanings.

Well it's not about taking everything as a threat, you were cocky in your speach therefore I corrected you on it. If you were chill and normal about your opinion of DMT it would have been a whole different conversation. Writing this now cause I didn't even know this thread still existed & haven't seen it until now. A few years ago I had an experience will salvia divinorum where I somewhat accidentily (although I think subconsciousless I desperately wanted to break through or something) & took like 10x more than you're supposed to. I literally went through walls & was in another dimension, my left pupil is permanently enlargened more than my right. So I'm familiar with what you're talking about, where your body and you don't exist any more and you're in a completely different dimension which you're a part of and no longer an individual. It's pretty incredible, and yet when I smell the scent of good old herb & hear the music I like it's hard for me not to think that life doesn't get any better.
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01-24-2007, 10:40 PM,
#27
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Quote:
Quote:
Quote:"DeMenTed" as you describe it isn't the ultimate consciousness to me.


Well no it wouldn't be as you've not done it. That was my point because that was the thread topic.

Look - I'm not saying anything like what you've made out. There is no "ultimate" consciousness but what there is an ultimate psychedelic - and that is something like DMT because as i said it wipes away everything - even language. That was my point.

Whereas "on cannabis" you can still say to yourself "i am stoned" - on DMT or the Amazonian equal [which I can't spell - got round that one!!] you can't even think about thinking about what you are as an entity let alone and entity that has taken a shamanic substance.

I understand what you are saying - but don't take everything personally and as a threat. It's just a discussion and we all have different terms/meanings.

Well it's not about taking everything as a threat, you were cocky in your speach therefore I corrected you on it. If you were chill and normal about your opinion of DMT it would have been a whole different conversation. Writing this now cause I didn't even know this thread still existed & haven't seen it until now. A few years ago I had an experience will salvia divinorum where I somewhat accidentily (although I think subconsciousless I desperately wanted to break through or something) & took like 10x more than you're supposed to. I literally went through walls & was in another dimension, my left pupil is permanently enlargened more than my right. So I'm familiar with what you're talking about, where your body and you don't exist any more and you're in a completely different dimension which you're a part of and no longer an individual. It's pretty incredible, and yet when I smell the scent of good old herb & hear the music I like it's hard for me not to think that life doesn't get any better.
You literally went through walls? In what capacity? Astral projection?
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