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Life After Death
10-18-2006, 02:20 PM,
#46
Life After Death
Quote:they killed Jesus
Jesus was never killed, nor was he crucified.

There are many things waiting for you to get discovered:)

Quote:How about you open your mind to another prophet named Thomas, who, unlike the other prophets, witnessed this Jesus man.

What are you talking about? An Indian "Thomas"?
Can you explain what you meant by "God did show me..."
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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10-18-2006, 06:04 PM,
#47
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so are you saying that he didnt exist?

Have you ever heard of self fufilling prophecies?

I believe that Jesus was a simple man conceived by rape and that his mother told him that he was the son of god so that he would not take the rants of the other children calling him a bastard to heart.

Perhaps you need to be more openminded:)

Saying Jesus didnt exist is like saying Elvis didnt.

He was real...he just wasnt the egyptian magician everyone thinks he was.

Just like people dont want to remember that elvis died taking a shit.
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10-18-2006, 06:11 PM,
#48
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May I introduce Thomas:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

and god means "Good Orderly Direction" to me.
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10-19-2006, 07:31 AM,
#49
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Quote:so are you saying that he didnt exist?
I'm unclear what you mean by "He".

If you mean Jesus, yes, i do believe he existed. He was a Prophet of God,
He was born to a virgin, he tried to convince the Jews that their teachings/religion was corrupted by the malice of few pharisee families. his gospels existed, though were corrupted later by conspiracy of pharisee families. He was lifted up to heavens, juda was transformed physically, caught and crucified. He was not GOD, neither was he a begotten SON OF GOD. There's no original Sin. Everyone has to lift the burden of his sins unless he/she's forgiven by the intervention of prophets.

Quote:Have you ever heard of self fufilling prophecies?
I am not sure what you mean by 'self fulfilling prophecies'.
Please explain

Quote:I believe that Jesus was a simple man conceived by rape and that his mother told him that he was the son of god so that he would not take the rants of the other children calling him a bastard to heart.

Where did you learnt that?:)

Do you think God exists?

if you think he does then you have to believe this while systemetic universe and very very complicated creation of all things around us (incl. us) is HIS work. right?

If yes, then why can't he produce a person out of a virgin?

When he can produce Adam out of nowhere, then he's able to do everything.
Jesus's mother didn't call her Son of God. This was the result of miraculous works that Jesus did. ppl started to ask him if he's God. When he denied, they called him son of God. He even denied that as well.

If you can't believe in miracles of Jesus, then there's no reason to believe in Moses and his miracles, no reason to believe that Abraham, Noah and even Adam existed.

Paranormal is a fact. Even an oridinary human can do things that are beyond our 'scienctific knowledge'.

Quote:Perhaps you need to be more openminded:)
I was:) Too much open minded. Nearly an athiest.

That led me to analyse the 'norms' of the society, 'religions' that we believe in, mystics, magic, prophecies, astrology, palmistry, meditation and so on and so on. Ofcourse, the ultimate result is that you reach certain conclusions.

Quote:He was real...he just wasnt the egyptian magician everyone thinks he was
No one thinks that he was a magi except the pharisees which, now a days, are the heads of Illuminati.

Quote:Thomas
Ok. Thanks. I'll read him and will let you know what i think of him.
Besides, you should read Gospel of St. Baranabas. There's a lot of wisdom in there.
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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10-19-2006, 02:38 PM,
#50
Life After Death
An Islamic point of view
on Life after death

Code:
http://www.streetdawah.com/anwaralawlaki.html

I have just found the site and don't know what mr. AlAwlaki has to say.

Same lecture can also be downloaded from

The End Of Times - The Hereafter
Code:
http://www.salaattime.com/anwar.html
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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10-19-2006, 07:15 PM,
#51
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Quote:BTW Romania isn't 10,000k away from wet little england, and to think I thought you were american (sorry america!).
what a waste of time this is ...
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-20-2006, 08:30 AM,
#52
Life After Death
Well, it was in response to this:

Quote:I can smell the arrogance in that sentence from 10 thousand kilometers away, right from Romania.

Are you really happy blaming me for wasting your time without accepting any blame yourself?

And don't you find it funny, as in amusing, that we both thought each other to be American? Well I did.

On a positive note, I think your written english is very good especially if the age you give on your profile is real.

Peace
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10-20-2006, 01:29 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-20-2006, 01:55 PM by DHammer.)
#53
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tsoldrin Wrote:Huh! Isn't that kind of like telling people that because what the believe or don't believe they are going to roast in hell?

Personally I have never threatened anyone with "you`re going to hell" so that doesn't apply to me. Maybe to your Sunday Christian.

ITS NOT ME who says you`re going to HELL, it's GOD.

if anything, I might only quote Him.
There, I hope that's settled.

MaDiZmS Wrote:I mean I can understand that you're weary of the animosity mate, but praps if you stopped dishing it out you'd stop receiving it as well aye?
have I ever .... ?

MaDiZmS Wrote:Finely put tsoldrin
it's not nicely put. i heard his "argument" many times before
MaDiZmS Wrote:I too have noticed this to be the case.
you noticed what ? That I threaten people ? When ?
MaDiZmS Wrote:if you dont dish it out in the first place then perhaps people wouldnt deliver it back to you.
dish what ?! I haven't done/threatened anyone. It was God who said they`ll burn.


corrosion Wrote:Jesus (if he was a real entity) was a product of rape and manipulated into his destiny by a mother that told him he was the son of God.
show me the proof or shut it

corrosion Wrote:Are you really happy blaming me for wasting your time without accepting any blame yourself?
no , obviously, i was trying to point out how useless this conversation is, it bears no fruit, it profits nothing.
you can't waste my time, if anything, I'm the one wasting my time.

corrosion Wrote:On a positive note, I think your written english is very good especially if the age you give on your profile is real.
thank you. it is.

corrosion Wrote:So you admit you are trying to change peoples views so they conform with yours?

That is not a "search for truth" it is quite the opposite and so you sir are a liar!
I stated this before, i'm not here to convert anyone. that will probably never happen. i'm here to preach the truth, and show to whoever cares the true way that must be walked. Doing this in itself is a search for truth, because it tests the word of God.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-20-2006, 03:24 PM,
#54
Life After Death
For those that make the wildest and most outrageous of claims, let the burden of proof be upon them to support their claims.
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10-20-2006, 10:40 PM,
#55
Life After Death
Quote:For those that make the wildest and most outrageous of claims, let the burden of proof be upon them to support their claims.

word
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10-22-2006, 10:53 AM,
#56
Life After Death
I believe in reincarnation. So, that's a yes to both pre and post life. Most of them won't cop to it now, but reincarnation used to be a doctrine of christianity. The pope decided it would be better if we promised heaven and threatened hell so they'd go and kill muslims and jews without question. The reincarnation doctrine was abolished. Try and tell them that now, Pope Bigus the Dickus. All the christians I know see reincarnation as a kind of Pac-Man theory of existence: they get you, some bleeps, you're back again. In a very convoluted and subtle way, it's exactly that, but you're a fool if you think Pac-Man remembers, or that he hasn't learned. No, no, no, they say, it's heaven or it's hell, FOREVER. Personally, I'd rather go to hell than to a heaven full of christians.
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10-22-2006, 01:29 PM,
#57
Life After Death
The problem I've always had with reincarnation... is the numbers. There is a ridiculously huge number of people alive today compared to just a few hundred years ago... going back thousands of years, the entire population of the world is less than are currently living in some large cities. So, where are all the 'new' people coming from? And if 'new' people are already being generated, why reincarnate old ones also? ;)

On the other hand, there is some spooky stuff regarding the amount of information which can be stored on things as tiny as molecules... and like it or not we're all made up of building blocks which once made up other people, as well as other things... so there is certainly some possibilities there.
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10-22-2006, 02:10 PM,
#58
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Quote:So, where are all the 'new' people coming from? And if 'new' people are already being generated, why reincarnate old ones also?
I also wanna hear the answer to that. standvast ? :P

people who believe in reincarnation probably believe that the spirits always existed and only decided to mass incarnate now. why ? because they can lol
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-22-2006, 05:27 PM,
#59
Life After Death
Hinduism, budism, pantheism and other religons that support reicarnations have earthly philosophies - Who is the ruller of this world? whos domain is the earth? The devils! So expect to find small truths in this religions perverted with big lies (this is how the devil operates) - just amazing how some hindu gods fit the discription of demons!
&Many people would sooner die than think; in fact they do so!& - Bertrand Russell
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10-22-2006, 07:07 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-22-2006, 07:08 PM by deathstickboy.)
#60
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Quote:Hinduism, budism, pantheism and other religons that support reicarnations have earthly philosophies - Who is the ruller of this world? whos domain is the earth? The devils! So expect to find small truths in this religions perverted with big lies (this is how the devil operates) - just amazing how some hindu gods fit the discription of demons!

Beleiving that Satan rules the natural processes of the world is one of the biggest mind-fucks of Semetic Mono-Theism. You should be wary of such highly manipulated, and maniplative belief systems. Know them by their fruits.

Where are all the souls coming from? Good question. You see, every living thing has some small spark from the source of all consiousness. Experience gained through multiple lifetimes is the means by which "the one consiousness experiences its self subjectively". So a soul begins as some tiny form of life, at the very beginings of consiousness, some beleive mineral, or bacterial life is this begining. After a number of incarnations in that form the spark grows larger, and gains the ability to inhabit a more complex physical form, which leads to a new and more diverse set of experiences, plant life. The continued progression of this should be rather obvious at this point. The Human creature is the "highest" form we are currently aware of, the physical and energy bodies of the human being being perfect micro-cosms of the universe its self. There is no such thing as regression in re-incarnation, once a level of growth is acheived, you cannot "go backwards". Of course, reincarnation is not limited to life on this planet either.;)
At the end of incarnations, the soul re-unites with the source, ceasing to exist for all intents and purposes as it is re-absorbed into the Bodhi Ocean.
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