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Life After Death
02-22-2007, 04:36 PM,
Life After Death
Here is what I remember about my past lives. I will be the first to admit that it's probably crap, but I believe in reincarnation anyway. (The memories I do have are probably offshoots of my current incarnation and ego.)

Ancient China, thirteen years old, a fighter in some stupid war and I died.

Elizabethan England, a pastry chef to royalty (but not the Queen - a Duke or something). That's it.

Pre-revolutionary France, an aristocrat. I can remember a curly haired blond and a lot of sex. In the countryside, so not Paris or any of the major cities. Sort of Marquis deSade, but nothing so horrible. And about two generations earlier.

That's all I got.
02-25-2007, 01:16 AM,
Life After Death
Quote:- Do you believe in Life before Birth?
Yes. There is a form of consciousness that exists before a body is born, and I think that incarnation is, in part, a deliberate choice on the part of the entity that is born.

Quote:- Do you believe in Life after Death?
Yes, I do. I had a near-death experience a number of years ago, and because of that I have no doubt that something of the Self will continue on after the body dies.

Quote:- Do you believe we are some kind of cosmic accident?
No. A joke perhaps, but not an accident.

Conscious life is capable of many things, many of them absurd when considered logically. The universe has a sense of humour, and enjoys our antics, I think.

Quote:- Do you agree with Bible's Creation logic?
- Do you agree with Al-Quran's Creation process?

Quote:- Do you agree with Darwin?
Insofar as the evolution of the physical form is concerned, yes. The body and the Sprit are two different, though interrelated things.

Quote:- Do you have your own theory?
Yes, I do.
02-25-2007, 01:37 AM,
Life After Death
Quote:This is all good in all, but what if life is overated?
Like if a machine reaches AI, is it alive.
Maybe. If it evidences life processes (or electronic analogues thereof), then the argument could be made that it is alive. Arguing for sapience would probably be a better place to start.

Quote:Maybe what we call life isn't all that great.
We could be walking chemical reactions with chemical computers that have reached a point of advance that give us self awareness.
Yes, we could be little more than information processing systems made up of lipids and proteins. We could also be the most powerful information processing systems on the face of this planet - we can conceive of new ideas and implement them, and we can appreciate the beauty all around us.

We can also dream and reflect.

Quote:Our whole entire existence is spent reacting to stimuli.
Do you sit around reacting to everything around you, or can you sit and think about something that has nothing at all to do with the computer you are sitting in front of? Can you choose to do this on your own, with no prompting, and without reaching the end of what you are reading this very moment first?

Quote:In a fractal sense we could be no more important than a valence bond shit.
Imagine a universe without valence bonds. Would that be a universe?
03-22-2007, 04:26 AM,
Life After Death
The Fredrick Myers Communications

Frederick Myers (1843-1901), a brilliant scholar and one of the founders of the Society for Psychical Research, reportedly communicated to spiritualist mediums all over the world shortly after his death. Myers may have decided that the best way to prove that he still existed after death was to send a series of messages through different mediums.

The Myers communications assert that the afterlife is divided into stages, each with its entry phase, a period of development, and a period of preparation for the next higher stage.


Stage One

Stage one is, of course, the earth realm ... After death a person enters Stage two, the Intermediate Realm.

Stage Two

Upon death, most people go through a heavenly process before entering into heaven.

Evil people, instead of experiencing the tunnel and bright light upon death, are sent through what Sylvia calls the "Left Door" and enter into an abyss of empty, joyless, nothingness for a brief period of time. After they have reflected upon their actions, they are reincarnated back to earth.

People who commit suicide are sent to a place Sylvia calls the "Holding Place." Here they must make a choice to either proceed through the "Left Door" or embrace God and move on to the Light. People in the Holding Place shuffle slowly around in despair in a gray fog with their heads down until they make their decision. According to Sylvia, this is purgatory. It is interesting to note that many near-death experiencers, including George Ritchie, have seen this place.

Stage Three

After Stage two, a person enters a more stable world called "the realm of illusion", Stage three.

This is a dimension where things may be created with the mind and shaped by the direct action of the imagination. Though a person may linger in this stage for generations, an eventual decision must be made. The individual either returns to earth or progresses to Stage four. Before leaving, however, the more enterprising souls may have an opportunity to experience one of the great wonders of this realm of consciousness - a tour through some section of "The Great Memory." Just as on earth, one may go to a library and see newsreels of important earth events of history. So, in Stage three, one may witness any event that has occurred from the beginning of human experience. Everything that has ever happened has been recorded by the cosmic memory.

Spiritualists call this realm "the second heaven."

Most people who die initially find themselves in the second heaven or intermediate astral realms. Viewed as a sort of resting point on the way from earth to the more rarified upper dimensions, it is a thought-created universe that closely resembles an idealized earth. Its inhabitants seem to live in physical bodies, wear clothes and so forth - but of an etheric kind that would be invisible on earth. Most attempts to communicate from heaven stem from here; but because its inhabitants are as yet unfamiliar with the afterlife, these communications can be confusing or wrong.

Stage Four

Stage four, an indescribably lovely existence, is called "the realm of color."

Here one must leave behind all rigid intellectual structures and dogmas, be they scientific, religious, or philosophical. An infinite variety of new sounds, colors and feelings are experienced here and souls find a much wider freedom to function with more highly energized intellect and spirit.

Since Myers had not progressed beyond the fourth realm at the time of his communication, his reports of the higher levels of consciousness beyond this are less detailed and more speculative. ...

The realm of color corresponds to the Spiritualist's "third heaven."

The third heaven or higher astral realm is also referred to as "Summerland", as it is the closest thing to the Christian concept of paradise.

The most inspired and pure souls from earth pass directly here after death; most people, however, must strive to reach it after a sojourn in the realm below where they assess their life on earth and try to understand what they did wrong...

Stage Five

In the fifth realm, the "realm of flame," one acquires a body of flame, enabling him to tour the stellar universe without being harmed by its temperatures and turbulence and to return with a fuller experience of these cosmic reaches.

This realm corresponds to the spiritualist's "fourth heaven."

In the fourth heaven, which some refer to as the mental and causal realms, most of the trappings of materialism have gone. It is here that selfless individuals work together to bring spiritual enlightenment to the lower slopes of heaven and to earth. Supposedly all great inventions, religious and moral progressions, spiritual leadership and so on, come from here, inspired by beings who were once on earth but have had the opportunity to increase their talents in the afterlife...

Stage Six

The sixth realm is called by Myers, the "realm of light."

Individuals on this realm are matured spirits, having lived through, with conscious comprehension, all the aspects of the created universe. They are capable of living now without form, of existing as white light in the pure thought of the Creator...

Spiritualists call this realm the "fifth heaven."

Reaching the fifth or celestial heaven is difficult, because it is devoid of a physical state and aspired to by great religious figures, from Jesus to Buddha. Even those in lower heavenly regions view it as most of us still on earth imagine heaven - a distant, magical, unknown place.

Stage Seven

The seventh stage is beyond Myers' verbal reach. Myers knew that the levels of consciousness in the upper ranges were beyond the insight of the average earth dweller except for intuitive flashes.

The seventh stage, which Myers called "timelessness," is inhabited by souls with an advanced spiritual nature that is so close to the ultimate essence of creativity that no adequate vocabulary has yet evolved to describe them, and hence they are difficult to describe to earth-level beings.

This realm is referred to by spiritualists as the "sixth heaven."

The sixth heaven is cosmic consciousness where the unity of souls is perfected and a kind of universal being exists. ...

The Seventh Heaven

This realm was probably beyond the reach of Myers as well because it wasn't described in his correspondences.

To reach the seventh heaven, one has to step not only beyond material and physical reality but beyond mental and individual reality as well. It is simply not possible to define what this ultimate level may be, but reaching it is supposedly the goal of all individual souls. Everything that we do, on earth and in heaven, is directed towards that final transformation because there is evolution of the soul just the same as there is evolution of the body, or indeed of all life, back on earth.

Quote:"I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven.
Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows. And I know that this person ... was caught up to paradise." -- Saint Paul, 2 Corinthians 12:2-4
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
10-06-2007, 05:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-06-2007, 05:26 PM by itmakesmewonder.)
Life After Death
Krishna Consciousness or Vaishnavism explained by the most accurate translator of the Vedas.
Like all organised religions ISCKON is now controlled by the elite. The original books and lectures are still available however.
This is magic!
10-08-2007, 01:24 AM,
Life After Death
Yes, i believe in Life after Death.
I had a vivid dream of a dear friend this week who just her left her body. she looked vibrant and full of strength. She is an eternal spirit soul. I wish her well on her onward journey.

This is one of the most sensible threads on religion, so thought i would post it here.
My favourite book that im reading now.
The Imitation of Christ by Thomas A Kempis. Its a nice guide and more succinct than the Bible.

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