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09-28-2006, 12:14 PM,
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Enough beating around the bush already. Lets talk about THE Book. Do you believe it and why? Which parts to you like to cherry pick to obey while ignoring the inconvenient parts? Is it even relavent in our day and age? Have you read it in it's original language, hebrew and aramaic and if not how is it that you pattern your life around something that someone you don't even know interpreted for you?
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09-28-2006, 02:14 PM,
#2
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Quote:Lets talk about THE Book
Let's !
Quote:Do you believe it and why?
I do. Because it had no flaws and holds the secret of life.
Quote:Which parts to you like to cherry pick to obey while ignoring the inconvenient parts?
good point, many christians should remind themselves how many verses they ignore, picking only that which is good in their eyes and suits their beliefs. And not only Christians, but also those who call themselves "gnostics".

Quote:Is it even relavent in our day and age?
It claims it holds the key to the salvation of each individual on this planet. How could you posibly question it's relevancy in our day and age ?

Quote:Have you read it in it's original language, hebrew and aramaic and if not how is it that you pattern your life around something that someone you don't even know interpreted for you?
Translating a book is not to be compared to interpretation. It's just that, a translation, and it can go bad sometimes.

The translations were NOT God inspired, thus, we should check the entire Bible , word for word, if indeed, what has been translated is correct.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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09-28-2006, 02:21 PM,
#3
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While you are checking your translations, post Deuteronomy 20:10-16 and let's see if that scripture has overtones of ra[cism, ah heck not overtones, overt tones



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09-28-2006, 02:28 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-28-2006, 02:29 PM by DHammer.)
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Quote:While you are checking your translations, post Deuteronomy 20:10-16 and let's see if that scripture has overtones of ra[cism, ah heck not overtones, overt tones
keeping in mind the fact that all people come from the same bloodline (from a Biblical persp at least) and that God loves all equally...
Quote:Deu 20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
Those people were pagans, and worshiped other gods, not the one Israel had. God decided that it was time for them to pay, judgement was at the door, because they denied the Lord.

Also your word picking is wrong, for God did not chose a certain " race "(black brown or white) to be salves unto the Israelites, but rather, those people who were in that certain citadel/castle/city. Also, those slaves were nothing more than servants, slaves are called human-tools. They have no rights at all. The servants the Israelites had, were able to free themselves from the bondage they were in. Eve served Adam more or less, was she a slave ? No, she was the dearest thing Adam had in the world.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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09-28-2006, 02:31 PM,
#5
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sounds like ra[cism to me



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09-28-2006, 02:33 PM,
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Quote:sounds like ra[cism to me


Webster
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

is that what Israelis believed ? That some races are superior to others? no.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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09-29-2006, 04:51 PM,
#7
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Thanks for bringing this up tsoldrin. I said this on the old forum...

Quote:Suicide bombers, believing they are dying for god etc..I beg to differ , they are being misled, everything is upside down, once goodwill people got a hold of scriptures and holy books some took it upon themselves to corrupt which was written. They noticed that if they alter its contents through the centuries, they will gain great control over people,this is fact..and it goes for every existing religion known to man, it has such an impact that people are prepared to go to great extremes to die, but of what justice? Killing innocents? Just look at how much every religious book has been tampered with, those people that did this brought through the inner evil in themself. Now religion is the ultimate tool of control, it rules many minds. Chaos has its path amongst us all now, we must all learn how to love again, and I dont mean love your favourite food, no .. love one another in the way we were supposed to.

I also said on another conversation...

Quote:I see that we are all slaves in the end
be it christian,jew,muslim,freemason,all the types of religion
and followings and teachings,that we are all slaves being misled.

I also made this seperate thread titled

Quote:What text and language did the Bible first surface in

The following quote from Woken Sheep

Quote:http://en.bibleinfo.com/questions/question.html?id=731
The Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew, and the New Testament was written in Greek.

HISTORY OF TRANSLATIONS

The first translation of the English Bible was initiated by John Wycliffe and completed by John Purvey in 1388.

A few chapters of the books Ezra (ch. 4:8-6:18; 7:12-26) and Daniel (ch. 2:4 to 7:2Cool, one verse in Jeremiah (ch. 10:11, and a word in Genesis (ch. 31:47) are written, not in ancient Hebrew, but in Aramaic. Aramaic is about as closely related to Hebrew as Spanish is to Portuguese. However, the differences between Aramaic and Hebrew are not those of dialect, and the two are regarded as two separate languages.

From which language was the KJV was translated. Here is how it came about: 54 college professors, preachers, deans and bishops ranging in ages from 27 to 73 were engaged in the project of translating the KJV. To work on their masterpiece, these men were divided into six panels: two at Oxford, two at Cambridge, two at Westminster. Each panel concentrated on one portion of the Bible, and each scholar in the panel was assigned portions to translate. As guides the scholars used a Hebrew Text of the Old Testament, a Greek text for the New. Some Aramaic was used in each. They consulted translations in Chaldean, Latin, Spanish, French, Italian and Dutch. And, of course, they used earlier English Bibles—at least six, including William Tyndale's New Testament, the first to be printed in English. So what language did they use? Everything that was available.

The first American edition of the Bible was probably published some time before 1752.

The Bible has been translated in part or in whole as of 1964 in over 1,200 different languages or dialects.
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09-29-2006, 04:53 PM,
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Also a quote from you tsoldrin on the origin of the bible

Quote:Surviving texts of the New Testament are written in Greek I believe, and the oldest fragment dates to about 600 CE. This is not a good indicator however because it's written on paper and paper doesn't hold up well to time. Thus these could be translations of older copies which did not survive the ages.

Most of the Old Testament was writen in Hebrew in the Hebrew Script, but parts of the books of Daniel and Ezra were written in Aramaic, more specifically Biblical Aramaic.

Certain details related in the Old Testament pre date both the Aramaic and Hebrew scripts the possibly their mother tongue which is the Phoenician script as well and are certainly the result oral traditions passed on and may span several spoken languages.

Some of the stories themselves, such as that of Creation, Adam and Eve and the Tree of Knowledge, the antediluvian patriachs or generations of Adam (the 10 long lived kings ranging from Adam to Noah) and most notably the Flood story date far back into antiquity to some of the first known writing, cuneiform, in the Sumerian language. Because of the length of time involved between Sumerian cuneiform writing and the Hebrew language (spoken and script) it is unlikely that these stories were direct tranlations... they probably came down through the Akkadians, Elamites, Hittites, Assyrians and Babylonians who all adopted cuneiform to write their own languages in the intervening time and some had a fair amount overlap. Undoubtedly these stories and others were well known to nearly all of the peoples of the general area for thousands of years. Tracing specific origins is incredibly difficult.

This is off the top of my head, I will post something more coherent and lengthy later, with references. Most of my notes only cover deluge and genesis related stuff and languages, but I'm sure a little digging can turn up something more general.
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09-29-2006, 09:30 PM,
#9
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At worst its an interesting story with a lot of interesting philosophical ideas, but i think its going to be our guide in the comming earth changes!
&Many people would sooner die than think; in fact they do so!& - Bertrand Russell
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09-29-2006, 11:00 PM,
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Just one question on genisis?

Why did God not accept Cains harvest of the land and accept Able's sacrifice of blood, something twisted and macabre there if you ask me. No wonder cain was annoyed he actually created something out of hard work Able did not!

The bible is complicated and confusing and was peiced together to suit the order of the day.

Constantine did not believe in one god he only agreed to it to keep the peace!

Have you all forgotten Mary Magdalena's scripts - The dead sea scrolls - The fact that the bible does not mention Dinosaurs the Cosmos and that it describes all women as old or whores and oh so many other things.

The fact that pagans are heretics and should be cast out.

Cast Out where? Into space Oh no there's no such place because that is the heavens:rolleyes:
No we should burn them or throw them into a lake if they drown then they are by god's side if they live they're in league with Satan.

Oh yes religion what a wonderful concept so peaceful and welcoming - NOT

If we fast forward a few thousand years and someone unearths a JR Tolkein book 'Lord Of The Rings' people would believe that his story was gospel.

But then again Tolkein was writing for Lucifer was he not, writing about magic beasts and Elves.
If God was a man then how could he give birth?

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09-30-2006, 12:23 AM,
#11
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Deuteronomy 20:10-16 The Jerusalem*Bible, 1966, Doubleday & Co.

10 When you march up to attack a city, makes its people an offer of peace.
11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.
12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.
14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord God gives you from your enemies.
15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance do not leave anything that breathes.


So does this sound like god is a racist? What happened to love your brother, or are all animals equal and some animals are more equal than others?



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09-30-2006, 07:23 PM,
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Quote:The fact that the bible does not mention Dinosaurs
wyrmaster, how do you interpret Job's account of the Behemoth (Job 40:15-24) & the Leviathan (Job 41)?
"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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09-30-2006, 07:31 PM,
#13
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Where and when did the story of Job take place?
Is it a historical fact or just a story, kinda like a Parable?
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09-30-2006, 08:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-30-2006, 08:37 PM by Forbin.)
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Quote:Where and when did the story of Job take place?
Is it a historical fact or just a story, kinda like a Parable?
Hmmm, good questions.

According to the introduction in my bible, the events took place between the Babel incident and Abraham's time. This is apparently derived from various clues in the text (e.g. Job's lifespan, the Chaldean event, the description of Job's wealth). If I recall correctly, the book of Job is the oldest book in the bible.

As for the where; the first verse tells us that.:)


"Is it a historical fact or just a story, kinda like a Parable?"

James thought it was real (5:11).
"Things are more like they are now than they ever were before." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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09-30-2006, 09:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 09-30-2006, 09:43 PM by standvast.)
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Quote:So does this sound like god is a racist? What happened to love your brother, or are all animals equal and some animals are more equal than others?

well, racism isn't the right word, it seems more that "god' was backing certain nations,
or cities / territories. which allready contained a variety of different "races".

Quote:15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance do not leave anything that breathes.

sounds like a human despot put his words in "god's" mouth , doesn't it?
anyone who thinks this is actually god speaking,
is quite content with a deity that commands the murder of children, women , and men.

Quote:Where and when did the story of Job take place?
Is it a historical fact or just a story, kinda like a Parable?

Job = Jobab of Uz >the Edomites? pre- Hyksos- Edomites -Kings.
region?,. modern Syria\irak.. both sides of the Eufrates. my best guess.;)

peace'
standvast.
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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