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The Uppermost Limit
10-04-2006, 10:54 AM,
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The Uppermost Limit
THE UPPERMOST LIMIT

"The ordinary man cannot suffer in the way a great man does. Suffering comes according to the degree of development. When you come to pass through the trials of Job, of Christ, you will attain a new concept of Life. If you do not pass through them, you will never come to grasp the secrets of Creation.

"Man has not yet reached the uppermost limits of suffering so that he may leave his human nature and become like an Angel.

"You need to pass through two conditions: the greatest sorrow and the greatest joy. After that you will come to understand the true inner meaning of Life. Finally you will come to that bliss where all things are harmonious. This cannot be explained in the human language.

"In Nature, one great Law rules: human souls develop through suffering, and through it they learn the great mysteries of Life. Every suffering is an open door through which one comes to know God. Without such sorrows, humankind would not be able to draw closer to God. This is the path on earth. The Angels draw close to God through Joy.

"The path of suffering is the one on which man walks in order to develop the Divine within himself. Through tribulations and trials, you will become humble so that you may see God. Only then can you comprehend His Greatness. You will come to realize that you are a wanderer on this earth who has come here to learn.

"A servant needs to serve a bad master in order to be able to appreciate the good one when he goes to him. Storms are needed to clear away the fog in you. Then the Sun will come to shine.

"When sorrow comes, transform it into virtue. He who has suffered a lot will become tender and virtuous. Without suffering, you can attain no tenderness or virtue. Through suffering, a man gradually changes and finally makes the choice to lead a pure and holy life."

Peter Deunov (Beinsa Douno)

http://www.beinsadouno.org/in_en.htm
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10-04-2006, 12:14 PM,
#2
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Suffering softens hearts and minds.
Suffering produces understanding.
Suffering refines emotions and thus actions.
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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10-04-2006, 12:56 PM,
#3
The Uppermost Limit
Quote:THE UPPERMOST LIMIT

"The ordinary man cannot suffer in the way a great man does. Suffering comes according to the degree of development. When you come to pass through the trials of Job, of Christ, you will attain a new concept of Life. If you do not pass through them, you will never come to grasp the secrets of Creation.

"Man has not yet reached the uppermost limits of suffering so that he may leave his human nature and become like an Angel.

"You need to pass through two conditions: the greatest sorrow and the greatest joy. After that you will come to understand the true inner meaning of Life. Finally you will come to that bliss where all things are harmonious. This cannot be explained in the human language.

"In Nature, one great Law rules: human souls develop through suffering, and through it they learn the great mysteries of Life. Every suffering is an open door through which one comes to know God. Without such sorrows, humankind would not be able to draw closer to God. This is the path on earth. The Angels draw close to God through Joy.

"The path of suffering is the one on which man walks in order to develop the Divine within himself. Through tribulations and trials, you will become humble so that you may see God. Only then can you comprehend His Greatness. You will come to realize that you are a wanderer on this earth who has come here to learn.

"A servant needs to serve a bad master in order to be able to appreciate the good one when he goes to him. Storms are needed to clear away the fog in you. Then the Sun will come to shine.

"When sorrow comes, transform it into virtue. He who has suffered a lot will become tender and virtuous. Without suffering, you can attain no tenderness or virtue. Through suffering, a man gradually changes and finally makes the choice to lead a pure and holy life."

Peter Deunov (Beinsa Douno)

http://www.beinsadouno.org/in_en.htm


Must be the time of day, but I call bullshit on this one.

This kind of crap wants to make me puke, don't tell me that I have to be beaten and humiliated in order to appreciate not being so.

I can think.

I really get riled at this "A servant needs to serve a bad master in order to be able to appreciate the good one when he goes to him."

And just who is proffering this servitude? Bollocks.

It's the messsage I'm in disagreement here, not the messenger.

And the message stinks.



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10-04-2006, 05:58 PM,
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I'm with you on that stillsearching. Futile attempt to justify all that's messed up on this planet.
Don't believe anything they say.
And at the same time,
Don't believe that they say anything without a reason.
---Immanuel Kant
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10-04-2006, 07:59 PM,
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Viewed in the right light, all this 'suffering for refinement' type stuff parallels standart indoctrination techniques. Think military and basic training... break them down to re-build them to your specifications.
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10-04-2006, 07:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-04-2006, 08:00 PM by tsoldrin.)
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Duplicate... so I'll add:

On the other hand, there may be something to the enlightenment aspect... as long as one is free of outside influences.
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10-05-2006, 02:31 AM,
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It is possible to learn from suffering, but from what I have seen, many people suffer without learning any lessons for it.

That concept only works on an individual level, as in your own cognition of how you want to feel about your circumstances and choices in life and what they have brought you. However in reality, it does not require suffering to learn that lesson, it just seems to be the most common way to learn it on this planet. (go figure)

Using that to justify enforcing and inflicting unescassary suffering on people to "teach them a lesson" is the behavior of an ego-maniac. The "elites" use it as a pavlovian method of control and try to justify it with these types of ideologies.
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