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Exposing Satan's Final Solution For Christians
10-21-2006, 01:08 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-21-2006, 01:10 AM by ov3rkomer.)
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Exposing Satan's Final Solution For Christians
This article is for the benefit of those who have come across the teachings of Stewart C. Best in books, videos or on his sites Truinsight and the Dark/Light Series. If you have never heard of him, this article will probably not be very interesting to you.

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The purpose of Dark Light has been daringly stated, and yet, it is so obvious that it reminds me of a thief carrying a stereo out of a store in full view of all. Its obviousness, in this case, is its covering. Dark Light is somebody's final solution for Christians. This somebody has been boldly identified. He is Satan.

Dark Light is about Satan's Final Solution For Christians. Why did Stewart not choose to subtitle his book like this: "Exposing Satan's Final Solution For Christians"? If he did, his subtitle would be appropriate for a Christian work. The subtitle indicates that his book is furthering Satan's agenda for Christians.

Christians must not be ignorant of Satan's devices. (See 2 Cor. 2:11) This series of articles will reveal the Dark Light Series' major satanic devices.

<div align='center'>Methodology of Best's Strait Gate and Narrow Way is Initiation</div>
<div align='left'>Stewart Best has plucked many scriptures out of context to "prove" that real Christians are on their way to hell because they have not employed the correct methodology in order to encounter the particular essence of Christ that He claims will set them free. This Ultimate Reality that Christians are told they need to unite with is not the Christ of Calvary, the Christ who shed his blood on the cross for the sins of many. Oh, no, that is merely the historical Christ, according to Stewart. [note: The Ultimate Reality is a New Age term.]</div>
<div align='left'>God's people are told with unceasing repetition in Stewart Best's Dark Light Series that they will suffer an eternity in hellfire if they do not have an encounter with another aspect of Christ—the "Living" Christ. Stewart says it is an inner radiant Christ who will give you "agape love" and "set you free." (It is mystics—not Christians— who bear testimony of an inner radiant reality!) </div>
<div align='left'>We know that according to New Age teachings, Lucifer comes to set free all who will accept his final gift of wholeness: </div>
<blockquote><div align='left'>"Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age." (Spangler, _Reflections_, p.45).</div>
</blockquote><div align='left'>Stewart Best's strait gate/ narrow way theology is being likened to the Luciferic Initiation because Stewart insists that it is not the person of the Lord Jesus Christ who sets the Christian free, but rather, another truth, a secret aspect of Christ that Best claims will set one free. A seeking, striving, suffering Christian must wait for an indeterminate amount of time for this "aspect of truth" which Stewart describes using occult terminology—inner radiant essence—to come to him in his inner man to set him free! </div>
<div align='left'>*[A fundamental part of being 'set free', in the eyes of occult practitioners, is being able to connect with one's human spirit, or spirit man. This is exactly what Stewart Best's Narrow Way doctrine teaches.]</div>
<div align='left'>The methodology of the Strait Gate and Narrow Way is definitely an initiation, complete with voluntary "death." Stewart terms this experience, which he says is totally experiential, "soul death." </div>
<div align='left'>The idea of death always goes together with initiation, which those in the occult believe leads to spiritual birth:</div>
<blockquote><div align='left'>Let us come back once more to the primitive mysteries of initiation. Everywhere we have found the symbolism of death as the ground of spiritual birth - that is, of regeneration. In all these contexts. death signifies the surpassing of the profane, non-sanctified condition, the condition of the 'natural man', ignorant of religion and blind to the spiritual. (See: Rites of Passage)</div>
<div align='center'>Stewart Best Targets the Real Christian</div>
</blockquote><div align='left'>Stewart's writings target the remnant Christian, the one God has called out of the falling away church. The remnant Christian is Satan's only obstacle in furthering his plans on earth both now and during the tribulation. Hence, his "final solution" for the remnant problem is the incredibly deceptive Dark Light Series. These writings are so diabolically clever that it is taking me a long time to organize and put into writing the insights God has given me regarding Stewart Best's unique "salvation teachings."</div>
<div align='left'>I have seen firsthand that Stewart's disciples frequent the message forums of serious, committed Christians. You will not find them on the many fueling-the-falling-away Christian forums. They seek out the remnant and also the Christian forums that discuss the New World Order.</div>
<div align='left'>Stewart's doctrines are convincing real Christians to abandon their genuine, abiding, obedient faith in the real Lord Jesus Christ (Yes, the historical Christ—the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending... which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty) and replace their faith with what Stewart calls the Strait Gate and Narrow Way which leads to life. In reality, this narrow way is a spiritual journey that is in reality an occult initiation within the spirit of the Christian.</div>
<div align='center'>Strait Gate/Narrow Way Revealed!</div>
<div align='left'>I will prove that this initiation is actually an occult initiation which gives Satan permission to enter into the Christian's temple and to stand in that holy place as if he was God. (See 2 Thess. 2) Yes, the elect can be deceived if it is possible, according to the Lord Jesus Christ. He would not have warned his disciples to take heed that they be not deceived if deception was not possible:</div>
<blockquote><div align='left'>And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. Luke 21:8</div>
</blockquote><div align='left'>We are seeing one example of the fulfillment of Jesus' words in the teachings of Stewart Best. Stewart is teaching that another Christ or more specifically, another aspect of Christ will save. This another aspect of Christ is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible, who is dismissed as a mere "historical" Christ, but another Christ—an inner radiant essence of Christ. Stewart exhorts Christians to disobey the plain words of the Jesus Christ who shed his blood for you (there is no other name under heaven whereby we may be saved) and go after another Christ—an inner, mysterious, hidden "Christ" that is called by New Age names and appears to you in a New Age experience. Go not after him.</div>
<div align='center'>"Two Hearts" Paves the Way For Occult Doctrine</div>
<div align='left'>The bogus "two hearts of man doctrine" is simply Stewart's way to project onto the Bible the distinctively occult teaching that a Christian must become conscious of his spirit: </div>
<blockquote><div align='left'>The Strait Gate and Narrow Way represent the journey from our conscious hearts and confession of faith through the subconscious, past it and beyond, to the inner chamber of ourselves. It is in here that Christ will enter into union with us. (hardcopy of Dark Light, Chapter 6 p 37)</div>
</blockquote><div align='left'>If a Christian succeeds in gaining the conscious awareness of his own spirit, he has become capable of receiving messages from the demonic spirit realm! </div>
<div align='left'>New Agers, who journey down The Path to further enlightenment, achieve the awareness of their spirits with the aid of demons, whether they realize it or not. Beware. A Christian will achieve it the same way. Yes, God communicates to us through our spirits, but we are not consciously aware of our spirits; we cannot contact our human spirit at will...unless we take great pains to learn how to do this, which includes opening oneself up to the demonic realm. This is accomplished by using occult techniques in order to achieve an altered state of consciousness. This is strictly off limits for the Christian! Those who study occult "mysteries" seek this experience because it is what is needed for them to communicate with the spirit realm. </div>
<div align='left'>Some occultists actually use the phrase, "Narrow Way" to describe their own journey toward enlightenment and higher consciousness. In fact, they liken the path of the "narrow way"—which they believe leads to light and life—with initiation. (Source: Section One - The Aspirant and the Mysteries of Initiation) Stewart failed to mention any of this of course, but instead, tried to use God's Holy Word to substantiate his dark teachings. I will prove that the "Christ" that Stewart Best urges his readers to meet in their own spirit is not an "aspect" of the real Lord Jesus Christ, but is actually a demon spirit.</div>
<div align='left'>Stewart has attempted to shelter himself from scrutiny by saying that God wants to "rip" apart a Christian's soul and spirit. God himself supposedly works this occult initiation by making the Christian quite aware of his spirit by "ripping" it away from his soul. This is all doubletalk to confuse the reader into not realizing that Stewart is teaching that the soul and spirit of the Christian must become joined together. This is a diversionary tactic to attempt to cover what he has clearly done with his writings: tell the Christian he must utilize an occult methodology to go deep within himself in order to encounter a spirit who is not the Holy Spirit. This spirit, according to Best, will set him free.</div>
<div align='center'>The "Many" are Not Who Stewart Says They Are!</div>
<div align='left'>Stewart has already revealed that what he calls "authentic regeneration" it is only for the very few and not for the many. The Bible says that "the many" that Jesus never knew were "workers of iniquity." That is why they were rejected. The iniquity they worked was not the refusal to meet another essence of Christ in their spirits!</div>
<div align='left'>The "many" are not those who refuse to walk the Strait Gate and Narrow Way—via the Stewart Best way. This way is really "regeneration" by occult initiation. Stewart changed the biblical meaning of the phrase "the many," which Jesus defined as "workers of iniquity," and changed it into his version of "the many"— people who will not consent to his occult rendering of the Strait Gate and Narrow Way! </div>
<div align='left'>Granted, Stewart Best never used the words, "occult initiation" to describe his SG/NW doctrine, but the methodology is the same; complete with mystical, New Age jargon to go with it.</div>
<div align='left'>Stewart's doctrines are esoteric. Esoteric is "a word used to describe knowledge that is possessed or understood only by a few." The doctrines of the Lord Jesus Christ are not hidden, and he does not require (or permit) people to lose all faith right before they encounter him! Coming to the knowledge of the mystery of Christ is not coming to the knowledge of a bogus "Christ" who will come to meet you once your faith is gone, your hope is gone, and all is lost. </div>
<div align='left'>I have documentation forthcoming with Stewart's quotes and other information to prove that Stewart's Strait Gate/ Narrow Way doctrine is occult to the core. It is very easy to be deceived by him because he makes a great show of using copious amounts of scripture which he subjects to his even more abundant, and heavily capitalized commentary.</div>
<div align='left'>If you have come to the realization that Stewart's subtitle for Dark Light really is no accident—even if this early article in the series has not yet convinced you that the series is fundamentally flawed—you can make great gains in your own personal freedom from Satan's control over your mind via the Dark Light Series if you renounce the work of darkness that you are aware of—in this case the subtitle: Satan's Final Solution For Christians. Please do not be too sophisticated to obey the Holy Bible and renounce the hidden things of dishonesty and all false teachings that come from the teacher handling the word of God deceitfully. (See 2 Cor. 4:2) Here is a suggested way to verbally do this:</div>
<div align='left'>In the name of Jesus Christ I renounce Satan's "Solution" in my life through the vehicle of the Dark Light Series. I reject Satan's teachings in whatever form they come, including any and all of his teachings in the Dark Light Series. </div>
<div align='left'>Dear Father in Heaven, please help me to understand and discern the doctrines in Dark Light that are not of you—that are not of your Holy Word. I want to bring every thought captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ. The real Jesus Christ—the Word who was manifest in the flesh, shed his blood and died for my sins, was buried, and rose again to sit at your right hand. Please deliver me from all false teachings and all false Christs. Help me to follow you only. —In Jesus' name, Amen.</div>Gary and Lisa Ruby

<div align='left'>Continued in Debunking Dark Light: Stewart Best Teaches Initiation Equals Regeneration</div>
<div align='left'>Also see: Debunking Darklight Index Page</div>
[left] Links to New Age/occult sites are for documentation purposes only.
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'And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.' Paul of Tarsus

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10-22-2006, 12:15 PM,
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to overcomer: my monologue is in no way addressed to you. it's just that, a monologue between me and the article :Pwhen I say "prove it" I don't really expect you to answer. I'm just pointing out there isn't any.

Yep, I myself came across Stewart's work, and it's excellent. I think the quote you pasted is the only debunk on the net i've seen so far, so let's check it out :D

Quote:The purpose of Dark Light has been daringly stated, and yet, it is so obvious that it reminds me of a thief carrying a stereo out of a store in full view of all. Its obviousness, in this case, is its covering. Dark Light is somebody's final solution for Christians. This somebody has been boldly identified. He is Satan.

RIGHT FROM THE START we see BIAS.

They didn't even started their investigation and CALLED STEWART SATAN. How can that be ? Satan can influence people, but a man cannot be satan. Is he the antichrist or something ? Anyhow, this already made me skeptical about the entire article

but let's go on ...

Quote:Dark Light is about Satan's Final Solution For Christians. Why did Stewart not choose to subtitle his book like this: "Exposing Satan's Final Solution For Christians"? If he did, his subtitle would be appropriate for a Christian work. The subtitle indicates that his book is furthering Satan's agenda for Christians.

is this a JOKE? ARE WE HERE TO DEBATE WHY STEWART CALLED HIS BOOK THIS AND THAT ?


WHO CARES ? It's what it has to say that is important.


Quote:Christians must not be ignorant of Satan's devices. (See 2 Cor. 2:11) This series of articles will reveal the Dark Light Series' major satanic devices.

AGAIN we see BIAS. I don't CARE what this man that wrote the article THINKS. I want to see HIM DEBUNK the BOOK with SCRIPTURE. Not with what he THINKS. "Cursed is the man that believeth in man, blessed is the man that believeth in God".
Quote:Methodology of Best's Strait Gate and Narrow Way is Initiation
prove it to me ALREADY.

Quote:Stewart Best has plucked many scriptures out of context
Again, i'm waiting for the proof.


Quote:[note: The Ultimate Reality is a New Age term.]
LOL
If the new agers use the word FOOD and I use it also, does that make me a new ager? ROFL what a joke

Quote:This Ultimate Reality that Christians are told they need to unite with is not the Christ of Calvary, the Christ who shed his blood on the cross for the sins of many.
for the last time prove it to me already.

Quote:God's people are told with unceasing repetition in Stewart Best's Dark Light Series that they will suffer an eternity in hellfire if they do not have an encounter with another aspect of Christ—the "Living" Christ.
That is TRUE. He does say that over and over again. But just because this man likes to warn us about hellfire doesn't mean he`s lying. Actually it's the opposite. Christ talked A LOT about hell and what happends if you don't obey Him. Myabe 40% of His sayings were about hell and ruin if one disobeys Him.

Stewart says it is an inner radiant Christ who will give you "agape love" and "set you free."

Stewart says NOTHING about an "inner radiant Christ who will give you "agape love" ". He talks about Jesus in Heaven, Jesus that lives, and will come to give you God's love (Agape love). Were they trying to distort his words or just got it wrong ?




[u] "Lucifer comes to give us the final gift of wholeness. If we accept it, then he is free and we are free. That is the Luciferic initiation. It is one that many people now, and in the days ahead, will be facing, for it is an initiation into the New Age." (Spangler, _Reflections_, p.45).
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personally i have never heard of this, but it DOES sound credible. It's the perfect luciferian COUNTERFEIT to God's salvation plan. Christ is the one that saves and sets free from the bondage of sin, not lucifer.



Stewart Best's strait gate/ narrow way theology is being likened to the Luciferic Initiation because



LOL Stewart EXPLICITLY talks about the luciferian initiation taking place in MASONIC lodges. How can doing what Jesus asked "walk the narrow way" be satanic ? satanic means doing satan's will , not God's will ! this is so absurd.

Stewart insists that it is not the person of the Lord Jesus Christ who sets the Christian free, but rather, another truth, a secret aspect of Christ that Best claims will set one free.


Stewart flat out states what the Bible states. Jesus is the one that saves. And Scripture tells us He is LOVE. Not everyone on planet earth know about God's love, actually very few know about it. Thus it is a mistery to all the rest except the saved ones.

A seeking, striving, suffering Christian must wait for an indeterminate amount of time for this "aspect of truth" which Stewart describes using occult terminology—inner radiant essence—to come to him in his inner man to set him free!
He DOESNT say that. What he says is that a Christian must wait for CHRIST to come while searching for Him That's EXACTLY what he says. Nothing more nothing less.


*[A fundamental part of being 'set free', in the eyes of occult practitioners, is being able to connect with one's human spirit, or spirit man. This is exactly what Stewart Best's Narrow Way doctrine teaches.


no, and this verse proves it : "If the Son of Man says He shall set you free, then ye shall be free indeed". Stewart didn't say that, GOD DID. OCCULTISTS CAN'T "set free". satan can't do that. GOD ALONE CAN.

The methodology of the Strait Gate and Narrow Way is definitely an initiation,

So far, there has been NO PROOF FOR THIS AT ALL. NONE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Quote:The idea of death always goes together with initiation, which those in the occult believe leads to spiritual birth:
ofcourse it does, as mentioned earlier satan has the perfect COUNTERFEIT to GODS SALVATION PLAN.

Stewart Best Targets the Real Christian

Stewart doesn't "target" anyone. This is presumption, supposition, a guess or a conjecture. IT MEANS THE ARTICLE IS BIASED. A true study has nothing to do with opinions and beliefs, but rather, proof. This isn't even close to a fair investigation of Stewart's claims.
These writings are so diabolically clever that it is taking me a long time to organize and put into writing the insights God has given me regarding Stewart Best's unique "salvation teachings."


LOL or maybe IT SAYS WHAT IT MEANS AND IT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS. I BET it took you a LONG TIME to RATIONALIZE IT ALL AWAY and DENY IT. BECAUSE ITS TRUE, AND TRUTH IS HARD TO IGNORE OR DIGEST.


I have seen firsthand that Stewart's disciples


STEWART'S DISCIPLES LOL MAN THIS IS JUST TOO MUCH ROFL it's so funny yet so sad.



Stewart's doctrines are convincing real Christians to abandon their genuine, abiding, obedient faith in the real Lord Jesus Christ

absolutely outrageous claims and with no proof to back it up AT ALL. What Stewart asks us to do is DO AS JESUS COMMANDED. He doesn't need your money, nor your house, nor your car, He wants you to be obedient to Christ.


In reality, this narrow way is a spiritual journey that is in reality an occult initiation within the spirit of the Christian.

ok this is too much trash to take for me. THIS MAN JUST CALLED JESUS AN "OCCULT INITIATOR".

Do I need to go on and discuss the rest of the article ? If yes please respond.


I haven't seen at least ONE SCRIPTURE VERSE to DENY what Stewart said. NOT EVEN ONE MAN, NOT EVEN ONE. it makes me mad as hell.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-23-2006, 02:32 AM,
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omg the boogyman satan is gonna get joo =P
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10-24-2006, 10:09 PM,
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Quote:omg the boogyman satan is gonna get joo =P

Don't worry buddy, he won't, it is God's wrath that will "get joo" if you do not repent. The same love that came in the world to save us from impending doom, will also trow one in the lake of fire without even a wink of an eye. GOD HATES SIN, He really does ... hmmm... you don't hear that preached in many churches, do you ?
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-24-2006, 10:44 PM,
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Quote:
Quote:omg the boogyman satan is gonna get joo =P

Don't worry buddy, he won't, it is God's wrath that will "get joo" if you do not repent. The same love that came in the world to save us from impending doom, will also trow one in the lake of fire without even a wink of an eye. GOD HATES SIN, He really does ... hmmm... you don't hear that preached in many churches, do you ?

god hates sin yet he comits it right...

if god hates sin then why does he say its ok to murder when the comandmants say other wise...

oh thats one of those contradictions u never wanna talk about =P
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10-24-2006, 10:51 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-24-2006, 10:54 PM by DHammer.)
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Quote:if God hates sin then why does he say its ok to murder when the comandmants say other wise...

Yes God DOES KILL ("He killeth and maketh alive"). But He does it with a reason. With perfect judgement. He , as a perfect being, has not only the right, but also the obligation to judge the unjust. Killing doesn't mean murdering.

Quote:murder : 1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
God does it under the law, for He is the law.
Quote:oh thats one of those contradictions u never wanna talk about =P
but I am, am I not ? please stick the topic !
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-24-2006, 11:09 PM,
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Exposing Satan's Final Solution For Christians
Note:- God will reveal truth to those who sincerly seek it with an open and honest heart. We must be willing to recieve correction and adapt any preconceived bias so as to align ourselves with the truth as it is revealed.

Here are a few scriptures I would encourage we all read and dwell on before reading the meat of my post.

Quote:Pro 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Pro 8:6 Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things.
Pro 8:7 For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
Pro 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
Pro 8:9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
Pro 8:10 Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Pro 8:12 I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
Pro 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Pro 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
King James Bible, Book of Proverbs, Chapter 8







RE: Darklight

Quote:The heart however, is not considered as a SINGULAR ESSENCE. The heart has more than one section or layer, according to the Scripture. A heart can be DIVIDED; IT CAN BE DOUBLED, NOT WHOLE.

"They speak vanity every one with his neighbor; with flattering lips and WITH A DOUBLE HEART DO THEY SPEAK." (Psalm 12:2)

The word 'double' here is in reality a mis-translation. It was simply put in there to express something implied, in reality, the Hebrew used the word 'leb' TWICE. In other words it says 'leb leb'. The word 'leb' means CENTER OR HEART. This is important to us to realize for what the Old Testament is telling us IS THAT THERE ARE TWO CENTERS, TWO HEARTS, TWO 'I AM' LOCATIONS. This is the key to what happened to the MANY CHRISTIANS THAT ARE REJECTED.
Verbatim from the 'Dark Light Series' by Stewart Best, Chapter Six, Heart and Soul.




DHammer check my quote with your copy of Dark Light and you will find it accurate.

I believe this clearly demonstrates Stewart Best taking a scripture out of context in order to prove a point.

The Old Testament does indeed use the Hebrew word twice and this is indeed translated as double heart.

There is one other incidence in scripture where the lêb is used twice and is similarly translated as double heart.

"Of Zebulun, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, with all instruments of war, fifty thousand, which could keep rank: they were not of double heart." (1 Chronicles 12:33)

Take note that this verse is stating that the men of Zebulun who went forth were not of a double heart and therefore this verse totally obliterates the above quote from Dark Light and clearly shows how Stewart Best has misused the scriptures.

The context of 'double heart' in both these scriptural verses is in regards to sincerity. I believe a New Testament analogy would be in regard to the Tares and the Wheat in the Church.












Research Notes:

Quote:1Ch 12:33 Of Zebulun,4480, 2074 such as went forth3318 to battle,6635 expert6186 in war,4421 with all3605 instruments3627 of war,4421 fifty2572 thousand,505 which could keep rank:5737 they were not3808 of double heart.3820, 3820

Quote:Psa 12:2 They speak1696 vanity7723 every one376 with854 his neighbor:7453 with flattering2513 lips8193 and with a double heart3820, 3820 do they speak.1696


Quote:H3820
לב
lêb
labe
A form of H3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: - + care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag [-eous], friend [-ly], ([broken-], [hard-], [merry-], [stiff-], [stout-], double) heart ([-ed]), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind (-ed), X regard ([-ed)], X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.

Quotes from 'Strong's Concordance' using both E-Sword and the Expanded Edition Strong's Complete Word Study Concordance, AMG Publishers, 2004.
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10-24-2006, 11:29 PM,
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accepting god is like accepting the government as telling the truth when it lies all the fucking time...

god is perfect... no god is an imperfect idea made to give ppl something to worship and fear... ppl are perfect when they stop doubting their own perfection...

god is law... so? god is a fucking hypocrit... he can fuck himself in the ass... oh wait he prolly did... he is a fucking sadist...
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10-25-2006, 11:03 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-25-2006, 11:04 AM by DHammer.)
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Quote:DHammer check my quote with your copy of Dark Light and you will find it accurate.
yeah, it is.

Quote:I believe this clearly demonstrates Stewart Best taking a scripture out of context in order to prove a point.
does it ? How exactly is it out of context ? Did the Bible refer to something else than a "double heart" ? Is that not what it says ?


Quote:Take note that this verse is stating that the men of Zebulun who went forth were not of a double heart and therefore this verse totally obliterates the above quote from Dark Light and clearly shows how Stewart Best has misused the scriptures.
How exactly does this verse " obliterates" Stewart's work ? The wicked are not the only ones with a double heart my friend, they all were. Remember that you are talking about the Old Testament. Jesus was the one that asked from us to seek Him with a whole heart. This command was given AFTER Jesus came, not before.

The salvation process was different back then. One did not had to receive a new heart in order to get saved. He simply obeyed the commands of the Lord to burn sacrifices.

Quote:The context of 'double heart' in both these scriptural verses is in regards to sincerity.

is it ? Remember that the words of God are "all plain to him that understandeth". Does it say heart ? Then it means heart, not sincerity, not a block of cheese, not a bunch of meat wagons.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-25-2006, 12:04 PM,
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DHammer




RE: What are the scriptures plainly stating?



"Of Zebulun, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, with all instruments of war, fifty thousand, which could keep rank: they were not of double heart." (1 Chronicles 12:33)

"They speak vanity every one with his neighbor; with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak." (Psalm 12:2)

Quote:This is important to us to realize for what the Old Testament is telling us IS THAT THERE ARE TWO CENTERS, TWO HEARTS, TWO 'I AM' LOCATIONS. This is the key to what happened to the MANY CHRISTIANS THAT ARE REJECTED.
from Dark Light

Is the Old Testament telling us that there are two hearts? Is the Old Testament telling us that there are two centers? Is the Old Testament telling us that there are two 'I AM' locations?

The answer is no. The Old Testament is talking about being double minded or insincere. By comparing these verses it is clearly seen that one verse refers to those who are double minded and one verse is referring to those who are not.

If you take Stewart's interpretation of Psalm 12:2 and apply it to 1 Chronicles 12:33 then you have to say that the men of Zebulun were regenerated. Is this not so?

You even state yourself that the salvation process was different back then and that one did not need a new heart to be saved. How can 1 Chronicles 12:33 be referring to the 'two hearts of man, two centers, two I AM locations,' if regeneration was impossible under the Old Covenant?

You also stated that it was not only the wicked back then that had a 'double heart' but that 'all of them did', yet in saying that you are contradicting 1 Chronicles 12:33 which clearly states the men of Zebulon were not of a double heart.
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10-25-2006, 12:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-25-2006, 12:26 PM by DHammer.)
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Quote:DHammer

You even state yourself that the salvation process was different back then and that one did not need a new heart to be saved. How can 1 Chronicles 12:33 be referring to the 'two hearts of man, two centers, two I AM locations,' if regeneration was impossible under the Old Covenant?

You also stated that it was not only the wicked back then that had a 'double heart' but that 'all of them did', yet in saying that you are contradicting 1 Chronicles 12:33 which clearly states the men of Zebulon were not of a double heart.

ohh I see what you mean, I rushed without reading what the verse actually says. I`ll get back to you soon.

<span style="color:#FF0000">EDIT

I don't wanna sound weird by quoting this translation of the Bible but it's the one that shows exactly what the Bible says here:

you quoted the verse from the KJV :

3Of Zebulun, such as went forth to battle, expert in war, with all instruments of war, fifty thousand, which could keep rank: they were not of double heart.


here's what the New Life Version ( I rarely use something other than KJV btw) says :

33 There were 50,000 men of Zebulun who were soldiers. They could fight in battle with everything used in war. And they helped David as if they had one heart.


It's a figure of speech really, David's serveants were so loyal that they almost looked as if they had one heart. As one of the apostles says, NO SCRIPTURE IS FOR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION. It has to fit together with the other verses. If we are told the heart is double sided, than this verse must be used in a figurative way.
Obviously they couldn't for there are two "layers" of it, and one of them needs to be regenerated. Hope that helps :)
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-25-2006, 12:57 PM,
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Your stating that the use of "lêb lêb" in 1 Chronicles 12:33 should be interpretated as a 'figure of speech' and you use the New life Version as support. Did you look up Psalm 12:2 in the New Life Version as well?


2 They lie to each other. Their lips speak with sweet-sounding words that are not true.
Psalm 12:2, New Life Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=74;

There were 50,000 men of Zebulun who were soldiers. They could fight in battle with everything used in war. And they helped David as if they had one heart.
1 Chronicles 12:33, New Life Version
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=74;



Rick Warren who wrote 'The Purpose Driven Life' uses this same methodology to 'prove' his presentation of the Gospel. Rick Warren uses the version that will best support his presentation often ignoring versions that contradict his teaching. Rick Warren is a false teacher and misuses scripture. Stewart Best has done the same thing in the example I have given above.

You say that scripture is of no private interpretation yet you have gone to another 'translation' in order to support your position. "lêb lêb" is in the original Hebrew and "double heart" is the translation in the King James.

By referring to an alternative translation in regards to 1 Chronicles 12:33 but not in regards to Psalm 12:2 as well are you not attempting to make scripture 'fit' a dogmatic position rather than making your position fit with the scripture?

We need to be very careful and we must be self critical lest we be those Peter is referring to in 2 Peter.

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Peter 3:16
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10-25-2006, 01:25 PM,
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Quote:Rick Warren who wrote 'The Purpose Driven Life' uses this same methodology to 'prove' his presentation of the Gospel. Rick Warren uses the version that will best support his presentation often ignoring versions that contradict his teaching.
does it matter what method a random preacher uses ? I could care less to tell you the truth.

Quote:You say that scripture is of no private interpretation yet you have gone to another 'translation' in order to support your position.

Why not ? Is the KJV GOD INSPIRED ? Nope ...
Quote:Stewart Best has done the same thing in the example I have given above.
Did he ? Please leave this man out of the discussion, he can't defend himself...

Quote:By referring to an alternative translation in regards to 1 Chronicles 12:33 but not in regards to Psalm 12:2 as well are you not attempting to make scripture 'fit' a dogmatic position rather than making your position fit with the scripture?

I agree it DOES seem like that, but what it did actually (to me at least) was to inspire me with the idea that it could have been a figure of speech there. The translations speak for themselves.

Quote:We need to be very careful and we must be self critical lest we be those Peter is referring to in 2 Peter.
all too true. I`ll come back to this "issue" when I get more info.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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10-25-2006, 06:11 PM,
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DHammer


Your questions and statements:

does it matter what method a random preacher uses ?
Yes the method we use to derive meaning from scripture is very important.

Isaiah stated the following:-
Quote:Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

He was writing in regards to the leadership of northern Israel who had become prideful and sinful and had thus fallen away from the truth. Isaiah states clearly how the word of the Lord is established precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little and there a little and thus this is how we, ourselves, must hear it, learn from it and thus apply it to our lives. The context of this segment of scripture shows how that in order to understand doctrine we must apply scripture contextually as a whole not as single isolated pieces, those who would find the rest in the Lord will apply this principle to their betterment and those who do not apply it will fall into a snare.

Many today fall into the snare because they are not truly seeking the truth but are only seeking to fulfill their ego and their view and thus the scriptures are searched in a vain effort to build a case to support preconcieved dogma instead of letting the precepts of scripture acting as a teacher.


Why not ? Is the KJV GOD INSPIRED ? Nope ...

The english translation of the KJV may not be inspired but the original source writings were inspired by God.

In Jeremiah 36 we find:-
Quote:Jer 36:4 Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
Jer 36:5 And Jeremiah commanded Baruch, saying, I am shut up; I cannot go into the house of the LORD:
Jer 36:6 Therefore go thou, and read in the roll, which thou hast written from my mouth, the words of the LORD in the ears of the people in the LORD'S house upon the fasting day: and also thou shalt read them in the ears of all Judah that come out of their cities.

This is why I do word studies and I am sure this is why you do word studies also.

Quote:2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Pro 15:31 The ear that heareth the reproof of life abideth among the wise.

Thus we are to use scripture to establish sound doctrine, reproof, correction and for instruction in regards to behaviour. I know you know this already but I am just establishing the root of my arguement.

Did he ? Please leave this man out of the discussion, he can't defend himself...

Yes he did. Why should I leave Stewart Best out of the discussion when this thread is topically related to Stewart Best and my original post was in relation to the misuse of scripture by Stewart Best? Have you ever mentioned G W Bush in a critical light in a forum discussion about G W Bush when G W Bush was not present and thus could not defend himself? I really don't understand your logic here.

I agree it DOES seem like that, but what it did actually (to me at least) was to inspire me with the idea that it could have been a figure of speech there. The translations speak for themselves.

It most certainly is a figure of speech in both translations as well as in the original Hebrew. It is a figure of speech in 1 Chronicles 12:33 as well as in Psalm 12:2.

We are slowly moving away from the original point of my original post which I clearly stated in my second post:-


Quote:This is important to us to realize for what the Old Testament is telling us IS THAT THERE ARE TWO CENTERS, TWO HEARTS, TWO 'I AM' LOCATIONS. This is the key to what happened to the MANY CHRISTIANS THAT ARE REJECTED.
from Dark Light

Is the Old Testament telling us in Psalm 12:2 that there are two hearts? Is Psalm 12:2 telling us that there are two centers? Is Psalm 12:2 telling us that there are two 'I AM' locations?

The answer is no it does not. Stewart Best has taken this verse and twisted its meaning and then used it as a foundation on which he rests the two hearts of man doctrine in Darklight.




"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)
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10-25-2006, 09:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-25-2006, 09:05 PM by DHammer.)
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Quote:Yes he did. Why should I leave Stewart Best out of the discussion when this thread is topically related to Stewart Best and my original post was in relation to the misuse of scripture by Stewart Best? Have you ever mentioned G W Bush in a critical light in a forum discussion about G W Bush when G W Bush was not present and thus could not defend himself? I really don't understand your logic here.
As mentioned earlier, this isn't about me you or Stewart Best. It's about the Bible and what it has to say. It's about that verse and this verse. Not Stewart's interpretation. I didn't even mentioned Stewart's work, because imo it's irrelevant here. So what if he shares the same views as me ? It doesn't matter.



Quote:It most certainly is a figure of speech in both translations as well as in the original Hebrew. It is a figure of speech in 1 Chronicles 12:33 as well as in Psalm 12:2.

is it in both ? And who exactly decides that ? YOU ? Or the entire Bible put together ? All of Christ's sayings point to a narrow and straight way. I still stand to my views because you simply can't prove they are both meant in a figurative way. It's just what you THINK, what you DECIDED it means. I showed you a translation that clearly states they didn't actually had "a whole heart". Personally I see it as a valid interpretation. And this is just one verse alone, you can't destroy a whole mind-set with just one argument. Thanks for your interest though.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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