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Was The "spanish Flu" Epidemic Man-made?
12-07-2006, 07:30 AM,
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Was The "spanish Flu" Epidemic Man-made?
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By Henry Makow Ph.D.

In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.

He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world's population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has slipped down the memory hole.

Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. He says that it "got out of control" but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the "Spanish Flu" was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current "Bird Flu."

There was nothing "Spanish" about this flu. According to Wikipedia: "In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it."

"Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred. ...Another unusual feature of this pandemic was that it mostly killed young adults, with 99% of pandemic influenza deaths occurring in people under 65 and more than half in young adults 20 to 40 years old. This is unusual since influenza is normally most deadly to the very young (under age 2) and the very old (over age 70). "


MUELLER'S SOURCE

At a 1944 Nazi bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin, General Walter Schreiber, Chief of the Medical Corps of the German Army told Mueller that he had spent two months in the US in 1927 conferring with his counterparts. They told him that the "so-called double blow virus" (i.e. Spanish Flu) was developed and used during the 1914 war.

"But," according to Mueller, "it got out of control and instead of killing the Germans who had surrendered by then, it turned back on you, and nearly everybody else." ("Gestapo Chief: The 1948 CIA Interrogation of Heinrich Mueller" Vol. 2 by Gregory Douglas, p. 106) Actually the Armistice took place Aug 11, 1918.

The interrogator, James Kronthal, the CIA Bern Station Chief asked Mueller to explain "double blow virus." It reminds me of AIDS.

Mueller: "I am not a doctor, you understand, but the 'double-blow' referred to a virus, or actually a pair of them that worked like a prize fighter. The first blow attacked the immune system and made the victim susceptible, fatally so, to the second blow which was a form of pneumonia...[Schreiber told me] a British scientist actually developed it...Now you see why such things are insanity. These things can alter themselves and what starts out as a limited thing can change into something really terrible."

The subject of the Spanish Flu arose in the context of a discussion of typhus.
The Nazis deliberately introduced typhus into Russian POW camps and, along with starvation, killed about three million men. The typhus spread to Auschwitz and other concentration camps with Russian and Polish POWS.

In the context of the Cold War, Mueller says: "If Stalin invades Europe...a little disease here and there would wipe out Stalin's hoards and leave everything intact. Besides, a small bottle of germs is so much cheaper than an atom bomb, isn't it? Why you could hold more soldiers in your hand than Stalin could possibly command and you don’t have to feed them clothes them or supply them with munitions. On the other hand, the threat of war...does wonders... for the economy." (108)

Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistent and full of plausible revelations .

CONCLUSION

The "Elite" cult has made no secret of its desire to decrease the world population. (See Alan Stang, Population Extermination: How Will it be Done? )

It's possible that World War One was a disappointment to the Elite in terms of the numbers killed. Whether the "Spanish Flu" was deliberate or not, we cannot say. But apparently the US Army has a record of experimenting with drugs/chemicals/bacteria on unwary soldiers. Did such an experiment get "out of control" at Fort Riley?

So far the Bird Flu has only killed 160 people since 2003. Is it a harbinger of something more deadly? Hopefully it isn't but we should be mindful of the shocking precedent set by the 1918 Influenza Pandemic.
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04-25-2009, 11:48 PM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
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04-26-2009, 04:04 AM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
People just need to wake up. Denial is a key to your demise. PTFO
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04-27-2009, 12:04 PM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
Did anyone else notice the glaring inaccuracy in this story? I'll use wikipedia to highlight it (although not my first choice, it appears to be Henry's!!).

"In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made."

Heinrich Mueller was NEVER caught!! He was never taken into custody, never interrogated by the CIA and his body was never found.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_M%C3%BCller_(Gestapo)

So right there you can see the whole story is predicated on a huge inaccuracy (or lie as it used to be called when i was a lad) by Makow. Who, incidently, invented the board game Scruples - it's a shame he doesn't show any himself when it comes to spreading his opinions/delusions to the easily led. :pissed:

I also took a look at the material Makow calls "Mueller's Source" and it turns out its even more dubious than his own research. If you want to be taken seriously by commited researchers, like some of the members of this forum, then you must use credible, checkable sources which is the polar opposite of what Gregory Douglas (or whatever he's calling himself this week) is. Unfortunately this story ('cause that's all it is) doesn't meet those criteria.

File under: Bullshit







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04-27-2009, 09:30 PM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
Vaccine not virus responsible for Spanish flu
Thursday, May 08, 2003
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2003/...ry265526733.asp
RYLE DWYER writes on the horror of the 1918-20 pandemic which the propaganda says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1).

How did they know it was the virus of Spanish flu that killed millions of civilians and soldiers?

This disaster occurred when viruses were unknown to medical science.

It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933.

As regards the origin of the outbreak, he relates that a senior US army officer suggested that the Germans might have been responsible for the bug as part of their war effort, by spreading it in theatres or where large numbers of people assembled.

Did they also spread it among their own people, killing 400,000 as reported?

Ryle would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from non-combatant causes may have died from Spanish flu.

But US Army records show that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated.

A report from US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson not only verified these deaths but also stated that there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war.

That was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits.

Army records also reveal that after vaccination became compulsory in the US Army in 1911, not only did typhoid increase rapidly but all other vaccinal diseases increased at an alarming rate.

After America entered the war in 1917, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army.

The deaths occurred after the shots were given in sanitary American hospitals and well-supervised army camps in France, where sanitation had been practised for years.

The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia.

This takes no account of those whose vaccine diseases were attributed to other causes.

The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports.

When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid.

But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu.

After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases.

The rest is history.

Patrick J Carroll,
Lady Lane House,
Waterford.
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04-28-2009, 03:57 PM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
Reprinting a letter sent into a local Irish newspaper by a reader 6 years ago is now research?

Is he a virologist?

Has he any medical experience or N.B.C training?

Where is there anything other than opinion in that piece?

Where's his source for his claim that viruses were only discovered in humans in 1933 (which doesn't even seem to be true)?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

Where's the references to back him up?

Should we all just give up researching things and just reprint the letters/opinions page of the local paper as evidence?

This is a (new) low spot in the current craze for flu stories which is infecting the board in a much more effective way than any disease could.

:(
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04-28-2009, 05:08 PM,
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Was The &quot;spanish Flu&quot; Epidemic Man-made?
Somewhere I remember seeing (on Reinhart) that the 1918 flu seemed to follw a man the was supposely checking and writing on the railway.
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04-28-2009, 07:55 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-03-2009, 05:03 AM by ---.)
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Quote:Reprinting a letter sent into a local Irish newspaper by a reader 6 years ago is now research?

Is he a virologist?

Has he any medical experience or N.B.C training?

Where is there anything other than opinion in that piece?

Where's his source for his claim that viruses were only discovered in humans in 1933 (which doesn't even seem to be true)?

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

Where's the references to back him up?

Should we all just give up researching things and just reprint the letters/opinions page of the local paper as evidence?

This is a (new) low spot in the current craze for flu stories which is infecting the board in a much more effective way than any disease could.

:(

It's unknown out here in the public domain as to whether we are looking at a deliberate seeding of an artificially re-assorted viral strain or whether it is indeed a consequence of mass pig farming in Mexico - the statements as to whether it was emergent on said pig farms are at best, at this time, ambivalent.

We are weighing up the circumstantial evidence, what else is possible? That it is such an unusual and exotic combination, incorporating strains which essentially are localised in areas on opposite 'sides' of the Globe. Whether it is managing to keep up H2H transmission at a not diluted rate (which would certainly add import to the idea that it is artificial, by all accounts ( hopefully, it is looking like it's virulence dissipates after multiple transmission between humans - like H5N1 does in it's natural state. That, once again, something which instills fear and is a threat to the populace occurs simultaneously with a spate of 'mock exercises' exploring the same scenario.

The WHO has been advising that a pandemic is due for countless years now ( it is possible to count them:)), yet these exercises just happen to occur in 'coordination' with the outbreak - when one extrapolates this fact with the fact that it is pretty much entirely in unison with the coincidence/MO of the 'terrorist attacks' of the 21st century - it is perfectly reasonable to start scratching one's chin about this and to ask questions imsho.

It is nonsensical (imo) to take a conclusive position that this outbreak is definitely man made or vise versa definitely a natural occurrence - thereby, it is only indicative of your disdain for discussions here, at this time, to suggest that the board is being ridiculous in it's speculative quandry.

None of this, of course, even touches upon the lab samples missing from Fort Detrick or how Baxter integrate into the overall emerging picture nor that an internal document commissioned by the USAF in 1996 predicted a pandemic in 2009.

I surely hope you are right in your waiving off of the idea that there is a conspiracy at work in this situation.

Whichever case, we are certainly now looking at the preparations for a mass vaccination programme - I put in this in accord with the widely distributed prevalent meme that 'population must be reduced'(savagely, in terms of number... and quick) because of 'Global warming'. This in itself is a very faulty position and the science and socioeconomic basis for it is, at best, myopic.. at worst predictive programming.

How much does it take out there in the 'real world' before the light bulb flickers?

Really, people reiterate about how Occam's razor must be used, so much but with a keen eye for what's out there in the press it is clear that they are not properly applying it. (imo)

In terms of the Nazi confessions - I want to look into it - for sure, wikipedia, at certain junctures is no more than duplicitous propaganda - considering the ratlines and Paperclip; I wouldn't be too confident you have debunked the claims just yet..as said, I want to look for myself - but the internet is what it is and in certain areas it is as limited as a government pamphlet in terms of truth.
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04-28-2009, 10:35 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-28-2009, 10:36 PM by ---.)
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Quote:The 1936-37 flu was a global pandemic with very high rates of flu among civilians. High flu numbers in the U.S.,1940, violated the normal trend by reverse direction of the spread, this time from the Pacific eastward. Concentrations in the military flu (which was 4x higher in 1940 than the previous 3 years) show a geographic specific definition. Just an aside, but the new National Nutrition Council for Defense was forced in 1940 to respond to the Selective Service's rejection of one thirdof prospective young recruits for malnutrition. The army had continuing problems with epidemic flu among recruits-- at Camp Mackall, N.C., 64% of the recruits (who were housed and "seasoned" 6 months) got the flu within 5 days of each other, described as involving "all parts of the camp in an explosive fashion". Fort Bragg, N.C. had 35% of its personnel quarantined for flu. Recognition of a viral agent was not determined, as it was also not known in 1918.
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Quote:Milton J. Rosenau, who was a staff chief at the Chelsea Naval Hospital in Boston in 1918 said "No conclusive agent or consistent results were obtained" after a careful experiment of trying to infect Navy volunteers. The men were sprayed directly in their faces and open mouths with a serum made from victims and then required to sit in the hospital wards for hours visiting the patients. The website further notes that "It is interesting and surprising that apparently no material from patients was kept which could be subjected to later study for virus."

[Drs. M.J. Rosenau, et.al, "Experiments Upon Volunteers to Determine the Cause and Mode of Spread of Influenza", Boston, Nov-Dec 1918; USPHS Hygiene Lab, Bulletin 123 Feb.1921]
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04-30-2009, 05:21 AM,
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Flu Was Not the Real Killer in the 1918 Pandemic


Strep infections, rather than the flu virus itself, may have killed most people during the 1918 influenza pandemic. This suggests that some of the most dire predictions about a potential new pandemic could be exaggerated.

Scientists looked at the available information regarding the 1918 flu pandemic, which killed anywhere between 50 million and 100 million people globally in the space of about 18 months. Some research has shown that on average it took a week to 11 days for people to die, which fits in more with the known pattern of a bacterial infection than a viral infection.

People with influenza often get what is known as a "superinfection" with a bacterial agent. In 1918 it appears to have been Streptococcus pneumoniae.

Many projections for a new pandemic have been based on a worst-case 1918 scenario, in which tens of millions of people would die globally. However, since strep is much easier to treat than the flu using modern medicine, a new pandemic might be much less dire than it was in the early 20th century.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles...8-Pandemic.aspx
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05-03-2009, 04:28 AM,
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Two main problems:

1) The article refers to Spanish Flu being developed as part of a bacteriological weapons program. Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacteria, and the two classes of pathogens have virtually nothing in common in their biology. For anyone who had the slightest clue what they were talking about to confuse a bacteria with a virus is simply impossible. This was a major red flag for me that the author did not bother to put in any real research.

2) The idea of engineered germ weapons in 1918 is absurd. At that time, we didn't even know that DNA was the genetic material, much less that the influenza virus actually has an RNA genome. We certainly did not have the techniques of molecular biology that would be necessary for such an undertaking. This is a similar reason for why I reject claims of HIV being artificially produced- its genome traces back farther than our ability to work with molecular genetics.
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05-03-2009, 04:34 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-03-2009, 05:14 AM by ---.)
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Quote:Two main problems:

1) The article refers to Spanish Flu being developed as part of a bacteriological weapons program. Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacteria, and the two classes of pathogens have virtually nothing in common in their biology. For anyone who had the slightest clue what they were talking about to confuse a bacteria with a virus is simply impossible. This was a major red flag for me that the author did not bother to put in any real research.

2) The idea of engineered germ weapons in 1918 is absurd. At that time, we didn't even know that DNA was the genetic material, much less that the influenza virus actually has an RNA genome. We certainly did not have the techniques of molecular biology that would be necessary for such an undertaking. This is a similar reason for why I reject claims of HIV being artificially produced- its genome traces back farther than our ability to work with molecular genetics.

HIV has been found in preserved tissue samples dating back almost 60 years. http://forum.conspiracycentral.net/index.p...880&hl=aids

I'm certainly glad you made it, should prove for some great debates:)
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05-03-2009, 06:46 AM,
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This is the rest of Dr Mercola's comment

Most health experts agree that another pandemic of influenza is inevitable. But what most fail to understand is that the real answer is not stockpiling more vaccines and antibiotics – which more often than not are ineffective anyway.

I’m sure you’ve heard of the U.S. government projections, in which some 200,000 to two million people are bound to perish, based on the worst-case 1918 scenario mentioned above.

However, not only does it now appear these projections were based on flawed assumptions about the cause of death itself, I’ve long argued that similar conditions, like the bird-flu pandemic envisioned, is pure fantasy to begin with.

Why You Shouldn’t Place Your Bets on a Pneumonia Vaccine

In the article above, they mention that we now have vaccines that protect against many different strains of S. pneumonia – of which there are more than 90 different serotypes – that cause infections from pneumonia to meningitis.

However, many of these vaccines simply do not work and come with a number of dangerous side effects, so personally, I would not bet on a vaccine to prevent another pandemic of any kind. The pneumonia vaccine, for example, which is recommended for all adults over 65 years of age, does not reduce the risk of contracting the disease, according to researchers.

Worse yet, another pneumonia vaccine designed for infants killed at least a dozen children in Argentina just last year. Meanwhile, according to UNICEF, the most effective forms of prevention of pneumonia in children include:

Exclusive breast feeding
Promoting adequate nutrition and zinc supplementation
Reducing indoor air pollution
Additionally, after reviewing a total of 10 studies, investigators at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland, and the World Health Organization (WHO) reported that using zinc supplementation alone reduces the risk of pneumonia by 41 percent!

But be careful, and do not use this study to give you a blanket recommendation to supplement with zinc as everyone is different and indiscriminate supplementation without the guidance of a trained health care professional can be problematic and actually make the condition worse.

Compare that to another recent GSK vaccine trial in Gambia that boasted about a 37 percent reduction in pneumonia cases…

Another little-known pneumonia-buster is good old fashioned essential oils.

Researchers have found that some essential oils -- oregano, thyme and rosewood oils in particular -- create an autolytic reaction in organisms, including Streptococcus pneumonia identified as the real culprit behind the 1918 mass mortality.

Spraying these essential oils in the laboratory simply made the pneumonia cells fall apart! The oils are much safer than zinc and I believe can be used without more careful supervision.

The best results occurred with oregano, thyme and rosewood, and intermediate inhibition of the pathogens was achieved with cinnamon oil and clove oil.

What About another Flu Pandemic? Are You at Risk?

When it comes to the flu, to avoiding becoming a statistic you need to be aware that your vitamin D levels play a direct role in your risk of getting the flu!

The vitamin D levels in your blood fall to their lowest point during flu season, which generally coincide with low-sunlight seasons. Less than optimal vitamin D levels will significantly impair your immune response and make you far more susceptible to contracting colds, influenza, and other respiratory infections.

Dr. John Cannell and colleagues introduced the hypothesis that influenza is a symptom of vitamin D deficiency in their paper Epidemic Influenza and Vitamin D, published in the journal Epidemiology and Infection two years ago, and published additional research on this topic in a recent issue of the Virology Journal. Remarkably, they found that 2,000 IU of vitamin D per day abolished the seasonality of influenza!

Unfortunately, conventional medicine’s answer to preventing the flu is not to increase vitamin D levels, but rather to encourage, or even mandate, flu shots. What they don’t tell you is that flu shots, at best don’t work, and at worst, can make your health worse.

If you maintain your vitamin D levels in the optimal range, the odds of you getting the flu are very remote. However, you can also use vitamin D therapeutically to TREAT the flu.

According to Dr. John Cannell, founder of the Vitamin D Council, who has been successfully using vitamin D therapeutically for a number of years, the therapeutic dose is 2,000 units per kilogram of body weight (one pound is 0.45 kg).

The dose would be taken once a day for three days. (This could be a very large dose if you are very heavy – as high as 2-300,000 units per day). If you start this program early on in the illness, it should be able to completely wipe out the flu in short order.

For more information about safe sun exposure and tanning, vitamin D testing, and the recommended forms of supplementation when sufficient sunlight is not available, please see my article Test Values and Treatment for Vitamin D Deficiency, which includes recent, and vital, updates.

Yet another powerful supplement to keep in your home arsenal is olive leaf extract, which you can find in most any health food store. Olive leaf extract has been found to be a potent broad-spectrum antiviral agent, active against all viruses tested, including numerous strains of influenza and para-influenza viruses.

Why You Need Not Worry About the Bird Flu

One type of flu referenced most often when the discussion turns to potential pandemics is the H5N1 influenza, also known as the bird flu. Government agencies have stockpiled avian flu vaccines for years now, fearing that it may make the leap from bird to man any day now.

However, over and over; in 2005, in 2006, 2007, and again in 2008, these fears have been exposed as little more than a cruel hoax, designed to instill fear, and line the pocketbooks of various individuals and industry. I became so convinced by the evidence AGAINST the possibility of a bird flu pandemic I even wrote an entire book on the subject.

How to Prevent Flu’s Without Vaccinations

I have not caught the flu in 20 years, and you can avoid it too, without getting vaccinated, by following these simple guidelines, which will keep your immune system in optimal working order so that you’re far less likely to acquire the infection to begin with.

Optimize your vitamin D levels.
Avoid Sugar. Sugar decreases the function of your immune system almost immediately, and as you likely know, a strong immune system is key to fighting off viruses and other illness. Be aware that sugar is present in foods you may not suspect, like ketchup and fruit juice.
Get Enough Rest. Just like it becomes harder for you to get your daily tasks done if you're tired, if your body is overly fatigued it will be harder for it to fight the flu. Be sure to check out my article Guide to a Good Night's Sleep for some great tips to help you get quality rest.
Don't Let Stress Become Overwhelming. We all face some stress everyday, but if stress becomes overwhelming then your body will be less able to fight off the flu and other illness.

If you feel that stress is taking a toll on your health, consider using an energy psychology tool such as the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT), which is remarkably effective in relieving stress associated with all kinds of events, from work to family to trauma. You can check out my free, 25-page EFT manual for some guidelines on how to perform EFT.
Exercise. When you exercise, you increase your circulation and your blood flow throughout your body. The components of your immune system are also better circulated, which means your immune system has a better chance of finding an illness before it spreads. You can review my exercise guidelines for some great tips on how to get started.
Take a good source of animal based omega-3 fats like Krill Oil. Increase your intake of healthy and essential fats like the omega-3 found in krill oil, which is crucial for maintaining health.
Wash Your Hands. Washing your hands will decrease your likelihood of spreading a virus to your nose, mouth or other people. Be sure you don't use antibacterial soap for this -- antibacterial soaps are completely unnecessary, and they cause far more harm than good. Instead, identify a simple chemical-free soap that you can switch your family to.
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05-08-2009, 12:52 AM,
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Quote:Two main problems:

1) The article refers to Spanish Flu being developed as part of a bacteriological weapons program. Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacteria, and the two classes of pathogens have virtually nothing in common in their biology. For anyone who had the slightest clue what they were talking about to confuse a bacteria with a virus is simply impossible. This was a major red flag for me that the author did not bother to put in any real research.

Quote:The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection.

http://forum.conspiracycentral.net/index.p...st&p=167582

Quote:2) The idea of engineered germ weapons in 1918 is absurd. At that time, we didn't even know that DNA was the genetic material, much less that the influenza virus actually has an RNA genome. We certainly did not have the techniques of molecular biology that would be necessary for such an undertaking. This is a similar reason for why I reject claims of HIV being artificially produced- its genome traces back farther than our ability to work with molecular genetics.

It wasn't exactly like there wasn't significant scientific inquiry being made though and a complete paucity of knowledge.
Quote:Friedrich Meischer in 1869 isolated DNA from fish sperm and the pus of open wounds. Since it came from nuclei, Meischer named this new chemical, nuclein. Subsequently the name was changed to nucleic acid and lastly to deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Robert Feulgen, in 1914, discovered that fuchsin dye stained DNA. DNA was then found in the nucleus of all eukaryotic cells.

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabe...kDNAMOLGEN.html

Quote:Modern times: Biological warfare reached sophistication during the 1900s.

* During World War I, the German Army developed anthrax, glanders, cholera, and a wheat fungus specifically for use as biological weapons. They allegedly spread plague in St. Petersburg, Russia, infected mules with glanders in Mesopotamia, and attempted to do the same with the horses of the French Cavalry.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/biological_.../article_em.htm
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05-08-2009, 06:08 AM,
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Quote:
Quote:The majority of deaths during the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 were not caused by the influenza virus acting alone, report researchers from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health. Instead, most victims succumbed to bacterial pneumonia following influenza virus infection.
Those secondary infections would not have been possible without the influenza pandemic first weakening people's immune systems. And the OP was talking about new influenza strains being developed as part of a bacteriological weapons program. Influenza is not caused by bacteria, and viruses and bacteria are nothing alike. Taxonomically, genetically, and structurally, humans are much closer to bacteria than bacteria are to viruses.

Quote:It wasn't exactly like there wasn't significant scientific inquiry being made though and a complete paucity of knowledge.
Quote:Friedrich Meischer in 1869 isolated DNA from fish sperm and the pus of open wounds. Since it came from nuclei, Meischer named this new chemical, nuclein. Subsequently the name was changed to nucleic acid and lastly to deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Robert Feulgen, in 1914, discovered that fuchsin dye stained DNA. DNA was then found in the nucleus of all eukaryotic cells.

http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabe...kDNAMOLGEN.html
We knew DNA existed, we didn't really know what it did. At that time, most scientists favored protein as the genetic material. The idea that we had "man-made" pathogens nearly a hundred years ago is ridiculous. Even today, producing viable artificial pathogens (even if they're just remixes of existing crap) is just barely within the capabilities of modern science, and requires Manhattan-Project-style funding.

Quote:
Quote:Modern times: Biological warfare reached sophistication during the 1900s.

* During World War I, the German Army developed anthrax, glanders, cholera, and a wheat fungus specifically for use as biological weapons. They allegedly spread plague in St. Petersburg, Russia, infected mules with glanders in Mesopotamia, and attempted to do the same with the horses of the French Cavalry.

http://www.emedicinehealth.com/biological_.../article_em.htm
Developed? Or just took advantage of what already existed? "Germ warfare" allegedly dates to at least the Middle Ages, but claiming that the pathogens are engineered is outrageous.
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