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So Was David Icke Right?
12-22-2006, 06:03 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Janet Tappin Coelho
Thursday December 21, 2006
The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1976422,00.html

The much ridiculed world of David Icke has been shocked into real-life turmoil by a court case that threatens to bankrupt Britain's self-styled conspiracy guru.

Icke is fighting to retain copyright of the 16 books he has written over the same number of years. He is involved in a legal battle with a business associate over the written work, artwork and printing disks of his self- published tomes on the theme that we are all victims of a sinister global campaign.

The case, which is being fought in the US, is costing Icke huge amounts. Since losing his job as a BBC sports commentator 15 years ago, after he appeared on the Wogan show in a turquoise shellsuit claiming to be the son of God, Icke has eked out a living from his bizarre theories. He explains: "It's emotionally frustrating when you put 16 years of work in and take enormous amounts of ridicule and now you turn the corner and someone is trying to take it all from you." But, he adds guardedly, things are "well on the way to being sorted".

Icke claims to have built up a worldwide following that hangs on his every word. He still spouts his pet rants: that we are ruled by a sinister elite called the Illuminati whose bodies are inhabited by shape-shifting reptiles. The difference is that, apparently, more people now agree with him.

Icke says the tide has turned because his accurate predictions of world devastation and gloom have given him credibility.

Channel 5 is to screen a documentary on Boxing Day called David Icke: Was He Right? In January 1999, he wrote that "between 2000 and 2002, the United States will suffer a major attack on a large city". In his 1990 paperback, Truth Vibrations, he declared: "The years after the millennium will see gathering conflict all over the world to the point where the United Nations will be overwhelmed." And in the same book he predicted severe hurricanes around the Gulf of Mexico and New Orleans after 2000. "People think I'm some kind of prophet but I'm not someone who gets my information from the ether," says Icke. "I've been given the coordinates about how things work."
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12-22-2006, 10:52 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
I hope one of our resident limeys can rip that and torrent it for us.
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12-23-2006, 03:49 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Two weeks ago I found a lot of stuff on the tracker, mostly from C2CAM, that backs up my theories from my spiritual experiments over a couple years ago. If you do live like a monk and meditate a couple times a day, you have the power to improve your reality. Whether people want to give up convenience for that reality is another story, but I think the key to life is following a certain number of rules. I also think that the ease in which junk food, porn, etc. is available is all to keep us from this state of being.

In my experience, David Icke is completely right in his stuff about infinite consciousness and how sound, symbols, etc. can mess with you. The lizard stuff, I'm not so sure about, but he is definitely schooled in all the other stuff, so I can't just brush him off like I did before.
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12-23-2006, 07:11 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:Two weeks ago I found a lot of stuff on the tracker, mostly from C2CAM, that backs up my theories from my spiritual experiments over a couple years ago. If you do live like a monk and meditate a couple times a day, you have the power to improve your reality. Whether people want to give up convenience for that reality is another story, but I think the key to life is following a certain number of rules. I also think that the ease in which junk food, porn, etc. is available is all to keep us from this state of being.

In my experience, David Icke is completely right in his stuff about infinite consciousness and how sound, symbols, etc. can mess with you. The lizard stuff, I'm not so sure about, but he is definitely schooled in all the other stuff, so I can't just brush him off like I did before.

Credo Mutwa convinced me. Also, the world is just too dull officially and the universe too big for Reptilians NOT to exist. And, to me it's obvious that the universe is an intelligent creation, and therefore if you can design a universe, it would be obvious that you would make it interesting. (i.e. Reptilians, greys, cloning, spaceships, alternative dimensions, essentially a big video game) The only reason we think the world is dull is because we've been conditioned not to see anything that deviates from the norm; our mind filters it out.
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12-23-2006, 08:57 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
I agree completely. My desktop background on one of my computers is the Hubble picture of all the galaxies that look like stars. There have to be billions of Earths out there, but I'll be damned if 99% of people can't even begin to understand that.
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12-24-2006, 06:55 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:I agree completely. My desktop background on one of my computers is the Hubble picture of all the galaxies that look like stars. There have to be billions of Earths out there, but I'll be damned if 99% of people can't even begin to understand that.

I'm constantly surprised how many people in the conspiracy community still operate from a conditioned perspective. They call you nuts when you tell them you believe in Reptilians or other lifeforms operating on this earth. It's quite funny because the reality of the situation is that of course you're going to laugh and point a finger at anyone who believes this, so if you were actually intelligent you would realise this and think to yourself, "Gee, this is a load of shite to believe this, I wonder if there's something to it then." Instead they think they're intelligent because they realise what a rediculous idea it is, as if It's not a fucking given! Any idiot can tell you that. If you aren't capable of looking past that then you aren't thining straight.

I mean I didn't fucking wake up one morning and say to myself, "You know, I'm feelin' empty inside. The answer is to start believing in Reptilians. Uh huh." No, I started out thinking how crazy the idea sounded like everyone else. I remember finishing my first Icke book (Alice in Wonderland) and I was convinced Sep 11th was an inside job, but then the Reptilian shit hit me and I'm like, "Oh fuck, you can't be serious. Was this whole book a lie?" Eventually I realised he was serious and over time I became desensitised to the idea; it's really not all that spectacular. And now I'm at the point where I'm very convined these Reptilians exist, and it's fucking amazing how there's no way you can communicate this idea to anyone because It's so hardcore in the scope of our conditioned perspective. But very few conspiracy theorists even give a shit about the alien side, which in my opinion is where it's all being manipulated from. They have very low standards for the universe--they don't care if other dimensions, aliens, psychic powers, "ghosts," Enlightenment, OBE's, channeling, et cetera exist. It might be accurate to say that they don't want it to exist. They are content with the programming given to them. They are content with the 5-sense world. And it all stems from the fact that few people are hungry for the truth on this planet. So hungry that they are willing to excersize all ideas to get to the truth.
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12-24-2006, 07:05 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
I don't laugh at the Reptile idea. I just don't think there is even an inkling of proof. I could know the elites have revered the serpent and it's often in symbology, but that's not enough to make me think there are a bunch of shape-shifting extra-dimensional beings amongst us.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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12-24-2006, 07:14 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:I don't laugh at the Reptile idea. I just don't think there is even an inkling of proof. I could know the elites have revered the serpent and it's often in symbology, but that's not enough to make me think there are a bunch of shape-shifting extra-dimensional beings amongst us.

I guess not, but what kind of proof do you really need? Seeing one for your self?
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12-24-2006, 07:17 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-24-2006, 07:20 AM by harflimon.)
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So Was David Icke Right?
What do you need to believe bigfoot exists? Something beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't have to see one for myself.

But what if I came out and said the elites could shape-shift into owls. What would you need to believe me? Hell, owls appear in symbology almost as much as reptiles. I don't see why you people believe this stuff to the point of trying to convince others.

Edit: See the problem with that type of thinking is, where does it stop? Why do you guys only believe in reptilian shape-shifting and not everything else that is possible. Was it because Icke said it and you all follow him? Why not just keep on going down the rabbit hole and believing in everything your mind can think of.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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12-24-2006, 07:24 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
The thing about David Icke, he just didn't reach up his ass one day and pulled out this theory about reptilians. This is where the info has lead him. This is what he has heard in over 40 different countries he said from credible, regular people that would have no reason to say anything about shape-shifting and lizard appearences.

Cleft Asunder said it right:
Quote:It might be accurate to say that they don't want it to exist
VERY ACCURATE!

Quote:But very few conspiracy theorists even give a shit about the alien side, which in my opinion is where it's all being manipulated from
YES! that's what I've been saying...

I like you a lot Cleft Asunder

I remember once Alex Jones said he likes David but doesn't agree with everything he says because he can't document it. IMO, that's a sorry way to think w/ enough respect to Alex Jones. I think David Icke is in a league of his own when it comes to this stuff. He uses his Common Sense, says it just like so w/o political non-sense and without playing the game. Alex Jones does it too, but this is when he has his "break downs" on radio or whatever and that's when I respect him most because he's really telling you how he feels and what he see's going on. David is more fluent with this mentaly, emotionaly and spiritualy (I guess is the word but more aware on a higher level).

While reading his book, Children of the Matrix now and watching his lectures I have no reason to point a finger and say he is wrong when he talks about Reptilians. Whether other people realize this or not isn't any of my concern. I can care less for it's them that's going to pay the price in the long run. All I can do is help spread the info, talk about it with others and not to really debate but to casually talk about it and hear each other's opinions.
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12-24-2006, 09:53 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:If you do live like a monk and meditate a couple times a day, you have the power to improve your reality.
Quite right

Quote:ease in which junk food, porn, etc. is available is all to keep us from this state of being.
Right. again!

Quote:In my experience, David Icke is completely right in his stuff about infinite consciousness and how sound, symbols, etc. can mess with you.
The philosophies of buddhist monks and muslim mystics also confirm this.

Quote:The lizard stuff, I'm not so sure about, but he is definitely schooled in all the other stuff, so I can't just brush him off like I did before.
Actually the lizard stuff is bit exaggerated one. These are demonic entities to whom some of the elites are willingly 'married to'. But not everyone's under demonic control.
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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12-24-2006, 11:24 AM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Icke was right, shapeshifting reptiles do rule the world!
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12-25-2006, 03:24 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:
Quote:If you do live like a monk and meditate a couple times a day, you have the power to improve your reality.
Quite right

Quote:ease in which junk food, porn, etc. is available is all to keep us from this state of being.
Right. again!

Quote:In my experience, David Icke is completely right in his stuff about infinite consciousness and how sound, symbols, etc. can mess with you.
The philosophies of buddhist monks and muslim mystics also confirm this.

Quote:The lizard stuff, I'm not so sure about, but he is definitely schooled in all the other stuff, so I can't just brush him off like I did before.
Actually the lizard stuff is bit exaggerated one. These are demonic entities to whom some of the elites are willingly 'married to'. But not everyone's under demonic control.

Isn't that like what Aleister Crowley supposedly experienced when he 'channeled' one of them?

Edit: ^this comes off sounding like I'm a skeptic & I've noticed people often think this of me by the way I write stuff, but I'm not a skeptic, I just don't state something confidently if I'm not sure of it but I'm not trying to convey sarcasm
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12-25-2006, 06:53 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:What do you need to believe bigfoot exists? Something beyond a reasonable doubt. I don't have to see one for myself.

But what if I came out and said the elites could shape-shift into owls. What would you need to believe me? Hell, owls appear in symbology almost as much as reptiles. I don't see why you people believe this stuff to the point of trying to convince others.

Edit: See the problem with that type of thinking is, where does it stop? Why do you guys only believe in reptilian shape-shifting and not everything else that is possible. Was it because Icke said it and you all follow him? Why not just keep on going down the rabbit hole and believing in everything your mind can think of.

Yes but I never read about people shape-shifting into owles. I always read about people seeing Reptilians, Greys, Nordics, et cetera. Common theme here.
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12-25-2006, 08:20 PM,
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So Was David Icke Right?
Quote:
Quote:If you do live like a monk and meditate a couple times a day, you have the power to improve your reality.
Quite right

Quote:ease in which junk food, porn, etc. is available is all to keep us from this state of being.
Right. again!

Quote:In my experience, David Icke is completely right in his stuff about infinite consciousness and how sound, symbols, etc. can mess with you.
The philosophies of buddhist monks and muslim mystics also confirm this.

Quote:The lizard stuff, I'm not so sure about, but he is definitely schooled in all the other stuff, so I can't just brush him off like I did before.
Actually the lizard stuff is bit exaggerated one. These are demonic entities to whom some of the elites are willingly 'married to'. But not everyone's under demonic control.

Yes, but there's more to it!

* If you watch Stargate SG-1, it all relates to this idea of ascendance.
* If you've ever seen the anime movie Akira, it's that idea of how Akira managed to transcend this existence, and caused some sort of cataclysm in the process.
* In 2001: A Space Odyssey, the ideas conveyed were all about the evolution or transcendence of man into this kind of Star-Child. http://www.alchemylab.com/alchemical_kubrick.htm
* The American Transcendentalist movement. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

Quote:Thoreau in Walden spoke of the debt to the Vedic thought directly, as did other members of the movement:

In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Bhagavat Geeta, since whose composition years of the gods have elapsed, and in comparison with which our modern world and its literature seem puny and trivial; and I doubt if that philosophy is not to be referred to a previous state of existence, so remote is its sublimity from our conceptions. I lay down the book and go to my well for water, and lo! there I meet the servant of the Brahmin, priest of Brahma, and Vishnu and Indra, who still sits in his temple on the Ganges reading the Vedas, or dwells at the root of a tree with his crust and water-jug. I meet his servant come to draw water for his master, and our buckets as it were grate together in the same well. The pure Walden water is mingled with the sacred water of the Ganges.

* The Great Work of the alchemist Fulcanelli. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulcanelli

* The "great work" of achieving objectivity as described by the Signs of the Times Forum, drawing upon the work of Georges Gurdgieff and Boris Mouravieff. http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/...hp?action=rules


It all relates to the idea of transcendence.

Georges Gurdjieff Wrote:"So that we can imagine the whole of humanity, known as well as unknown to us, as consisting so to speak of several concentric circles.

"The inner circle is called the 'esoteric'; this circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will. They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.

"The next circle is called the 'mesoteric,' that is to say, the middle. People who belong to this circle possess all the qualities possessed by the members of the esoteric circle with the sole difference that their knowledge is of a more theoretical character.' This refers, of course, to knowledge of a cosmic character. They know and understand many things which have not yet found expression in their actions. They know more than they do. But their understanding is precisely as exact as, and therefore precisely identical with, the understanding of the people of the esoteric circle. Between them there can be, no discord, there can be no misunderstanding. One understands in the way they all understand, and all understand in the way one understands. But as was said before, this understanding compared with the understanding of the esoteric circle is somewhat more theoretical.

"The third circle is called the 'exoteric,' that is, the outer, because it is the outer circle of the inner part of humanity. The people who belong to this circle possess much of that which belongs to people of the esoteric and mesoteric circles but their cosmic knowledge is of a more philosophical character, that is to say, it is more abstract than the knowledge of the mesoteric circle. A member of the mesoteric circle calculates, a member of the exoteric circle contemplates. Their understanding may not be expressed in actions. But there cannot be differences in understanding between them. What one understands all the others understand.

Georges Gurdjieff Wrote:"If we imagine humanity in the form of four concentric circles we can imagine four gates on the circumference of the third inner circle, that is, the exoteric circle, through which people of the mechanical circle can penetrate.
"These four gates correspond to the four ways described before.

"The first way is the way of the fakir, the way of people number one, of people of the physical body, instinctive-moving-sensory people without much mind and without much heart.

"The second way is the way of the monk, the religious way, the way of people number two, that is, of emotional people. The mind and the body should not be too strong.

"The third way is the way of the yogi. This is the way of the mind, the way of people number three. The heart and the body must not be particularly strong, otherwise they may be a hindrance on this way.
"Besides these three ways yet a fourth way exists by which can go those who cannot go by any of the first three ways.

"The fundamental difference between the first three ways, that is, the way of the fakir, the way of the monk, and the way of the yogi, and the fourth way consists in the fact that they are tied to permanent forms which have existed throughout long periods of history almost without change. At the basis of these institutions is religion. Where schools of yogis exist they differ little outwardly from religious schools. And in dif­ferent periods of history various societies or orders of fakirs have existed in different countries and they still exist. These three traditional ways are permanent ways within the limits of our historical period.

"Two or three thousand years ago there were yet other ways which no longer exist and the ways now in existence were not so divided, they stood much closer to one another.

"The fourth way differs from the old and the new ways by the fact that it is never a permanent way. It has no definite forms and there are no institutions connected with it. It appears and disappears governed by some particular laws of its own.

"The fourth way is never without some work of a definite significance, is never without some undertaking around which and in connection with which it can alone exist. When this work is finished, that is to say, when the aim set before it has been accomplished, the fourth way disappears, that is, it disappears from the given place, disappears in its given form, continuing perhaps in another place in another form. Schools of the fourth way exist for the needs of the work which is being carried out in connection with the proposed undertaking. They never exist by themselves as schools for the purpose of education and instruction.

"Mechanical help cannot be required in any work of the fourth way. Only conscious work can be useful in all the undertakings of the fourth way. Mechanical man cannot give conscious work so that the first task of the people who begin such a work is to create conscious assistants.

"The work itself of schools of the fourth way can have very many forms and many meanings. In the midst of the ordinary conditions of life the only chance a man has of finding a 'way' is in the possibility of meeting with the beginning of work of this kind. But the chance of meeting with such work as well as the possibility of profiting by this chance depends upon many circumstances and conditions.

"The quicker a man grasps the aim of the work which is being executed, the quicker can he become useful to it and the more will he be able to get from it for himself.

"But no matter what the fundamental aim of the work is, the schools continue to exist only while this work is going on. When the work is done the schools close. The people who began the work leave the stage. Those who have learned from them what was possible to learn and have reached the possibility of continuing on the way independently begin in one form or another their own personal work.

Elements of this way of thinking are also contained in Gnostic Christianity, Hinduism, Tibetan Buddhism, the Sufi Path of Knowledge, and Shamanism of Polynesian and Native American culture.
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