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Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
03-10-2007, 03:44 AM,
#91
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Newbie here. Just curious: Leo has given at least a dozen hours of interviews and posted innumerable articles. He's explained things most of us have wondered about for years, uncovered evil in unsuspected corners, and offered hope of uniting our alternative Tower of Babel into some kind of actual moving force. The fact that the criticism has focused mostly on petty minutiae is more to his credit, IMHO, than anything I've read here so far (impressive as much of it is). Yeah, I realize he's mostly among friends here, but has anyone heard anything at all substantive from other quarters?
03-11-2007, 02:40 AM,
#92
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
The missing part of Leo's recent interview with Greg has been retrieved! This is the hour in which Leo debunks Alberto Rivera's oft-circulated myth that Islam was totally created by the Catholic church. While the historical facts supporting this allegation have also been disputed, the really important point Leo makes here is that the historians and bureaucrats who cast doubt on the original revelations created their story well after the fact -- and were in no position, historically or spiritually, to know anything about any such revelations.

Again, this is important because the story is fueling the current anti-Islam hysteria. If Jesus can be considered enlightened despite the subsequent corruption of his message, Mohammed is entitled to the same.

The interview, February 26 at 9 a.m., can be heard at:
http://www.republicnewsradio.com/station/archives/17
03-11-2007, 02:43 AM,
#93
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Oops -- sorry for sending three in a row, but I forgot to say that Leo will be on the Investigative Journal again this coming Monday.
03-11-2007, 12:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-11-2007, 12:14 PM by ephilution.)
#94
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Quote:Oops -- sorry for sending three in a row, but I forgot to say that Leo will be on the Investigative Journal again this coming Monday.
:smile: Don't be. Drop as many as you see fit. As long as your latest posted message hasn't been read you can also append it with any additional comments that pop up in your mind by using the edit button on the lower right-hand corner of the comment-box.

Thanks for the notification regarding Leo's upcoming interview, I'll be sure to listen to it...
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03-11-2007, 03:36 PM,
#95
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Gold mine alert!! Beginning here, someone has posted links to the early Leo Zagami interviews on The Investigative Journal, complete with summaries. Some good related interviews on the Vatican are also included.

http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=15849
03-11-2007, 11:14 PM,
#96
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
go get a "lolly"...
03-16-2007, 11:47 AM,
#97
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Greetings to Mr. Zagami / Khan and the people on this list.

I've been following this topic for some time now, but this will be my first posting here.

There are way to many people out there who have no way of validating the truth of what is being discussed here, so I will start contributing hoping that other people will follow up with what they know and I might keep posting if we get any further this way.

As for Leo (I'll use that name throughout), I do remember him. I've never talked to him and don't know him personally, but I can indeed confirm that he was present in company with many central people from the occult scene in Oslo. I was a bit surprised when I discovered his website as I have met some of the people he mentions.

The guy is not a made up person and the allegations that the pictures are somehow faked is for me not plausible. I have no doubt he has met the people he is pictured with, but I question the reality of wheter all these people are somehow joined in a big conspiracy.

I have not met all he mentions from the Norwegian scene, but I have met some of them. I've also asked around to hear what people have to say about him. Most of the people remember him as a very nice guy with much knowledge on esoteric topics. They also believe that he might have gone insane, if not that then more than a bit paranoid as a result of some of the happenings that has already been mentioned on his website and on this list.

I'm not willing to accept this explanation first hand. I don't think Leo is insane. When one is working with the esoteric, there will usually come a period where a person goes into heavy psychosis (which is part of what one is expected to go through at some point when working with these things) and if things are hectic in ones real life surroundings while going through this period, people get very emotional and little grounded towards reality. But.... that does not justify turning that person into the hands of the authorities and locking him up. That is counted as a major blunder in any serious esoteric grouping where people are expected to support the ones going through this, so they can have some experiences where they can themselves make up their minds about some things that are connected to the esoteric and paranormal realities.

As for the people Leo mentions from the esoteric scene in Norway, I indeed think Leo believe they are pulling the strings. In the case of who turned him in to the authorities and got him classified as mad, I have no clue. But the people he mentions are in my opinion not in a position to be part of any larger conspiracy or powerful influential position in society at all.

I've also talked with masons (outside the occult scene) and other people who have gone through (and gone over to more sensible things) the whole system of some of the esoteric orders that Leo mentions. My conclusion here is that some are more concerned with getting diplomas that they can show off, cause they need to prove that they are part of some elite, even if they in their lives are nothing but ordinary people with no real power whatsoever. Others are in it because of a genuine interest and like the company of likeminded individuals.

As for Halvor further up in the thread, I've also been present at the gnostic masses at Ecclesia Gnostica Norvegia (now shut down).

Leo also mentions to have been a black magician and a satanist. Now there are way to many classifications of what this is to know what is talked about here, so I hope he can maybe tell us a bit more on his involvement with this to clarify exactly what he has been involved with. Norway is a country famous for its satanism, but we split it into the modern LaVey followers (atheists), the traditional satanists (mostly influenced by the old orders part of the Infernal Alliance), the people from the black metal scene that mix it with Norwegian mythology and those into what is referred to as ordinary "devil worship" (old school work with grimoires etc). For those people the common esoteric orders, even the thelemites, are considered as part of hardcore "white" magic(k).

So these are my current views on the topic at hand. I hope people can maybe help to clarify things in order to get a more complete picture of what is going on here.
03-16-2007, 02:26 PM,
#98
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Quote:Greetings to Mr. Zagami / Khan and the people on this list.
How do you do Direod and welcome to Concen...

Quote:There are way to many people out there who have no way of validating the truth of what is being discussed here, so I will start contributing hoping that other people will follow up with what they know and I might keep posting if we get any further this way.
Excellent suggestion, keep 'em comin'... :biggrin:

Quote:As for Leo (I'll use that name throughout), I do remember him. I've never talked to him and don't know him personally, but I can indeed confirm that he was present in company with many central people from the occult scene in Oslo.
Good.

Quote:I was a bit surprised when I discovered his website as I have met some of the people he mentions.
Let me guess, they were all really nice and friendly people?

Quote:The guy is not a made up person and the allegations that the pictures are somehow faked is for me not plausible.
I think the hypothesis that some of Leo's pictures were faked has been questioned and summarily properly rejected by one of our new members who also happens to be a professional photographer.

Quote:I have no doubt he has met the people he is pictured with, but I question the reality of wheter all these people are somehow joined in a big conspiracy.
They may be nothing more than a small part in the big machine. I find it reasonable to believe that be people at the very top of the conspiracy pyramid, i.e. the most evil people, are ones that Joe Blow has never heard of. Do you have any precise reasons why you have difficulty believing these specific people you are thinking of are tied up in a big conspiracy?

Quote:I have not met all he mentions from the Norwegian scene, but I have met some of them. I've also asked around to hear what people have to say about him. Most of the people remember him as a very nice guy with much knowledge on esoteric topics. They also believe that he might have gone insane, if not that then more than a bit paranoid as a result of some of the happenings that has already been mentioned on his website and on this list.
The Law of Relativity of Sanity

If insane people are regarded as sane by insane people then, conversely, sane people will be regarded insane by those same insane people.

Applying this law to Leo, and by extension to a good portion of the members of this forum, the 'insane people 'would be the unknowing sheeple and Leo and co. the 'sane people'. Leo was only being regarded insane and summarily treated as such by the authorities based on this ill-founded perception.

Quote:I'm not willing to accept this explanation first hand. I don't think Leo is insane. When one is working with the esoteric, there will usually come a period where a person goes into heavy psychosis (which is part of what one is expected to go through at some point when working with these things) and if things are hectic in ones real life surroundings while going through this period, people get very emotional and little grounded towards reality. But.... that does not justify turning that person into the hands of the authorities and locking him up. That is counted as a major blunder in any serious esoteric grouping where people are expected to support the ones going through this, so they can have some experiences where they can themselves make up their minds about some things that are connected to the esoteric and paranormal realities.
Fair enough... I'm with you on this.
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03-16-2007, 02:26 PM,
#99
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Quote:As for the people Leo mentions from the esoteric scene in Norway, I indeed think Leo believe they are pulling the strings. In the case of who turned him in to the authorities and got him classified as mad, I have no clue. But the people he mentions are in my opinion not in a position to be part of any larger conspiracy or powerful influential position in society at all.
They may or may not be. That is the big question.

Quote:I've also talked with masons (outside the occult scene) and other people who have gone through (and gone over to more sensible things) the whole system of some of the esoteric orders that Leo mentions. My conclusion here is that some are more concerned with getting diplomas that they can show off, cause they need to prove that they are part of some elite, even if they in their lives are nothing but ordinary people with no real power whatsoever.
I think this would clinically be referred to as a 'small-man' or inferiority complex, a psychological condition that is plaguing more than just a few eager masons on this planet. Brought forth by an inflated and skewed ego, I think the world would be a heck of a lot less worse of if sufferers of this pathological streak could somehow succeed in shedding this troublesome trait.

Quote:Others are in it because of a genuine interest and like the company of likeminded individuals.
That sounds more like it.

Quote:Leo also mentions to have been a black magician and a satanist. Now there are way to many classifications of what this is to know what is talked about here, so I hope he can maybe tell us a bit more on his involvement with this to clarify exactly what he has been involved with. Norway is a country famous for its satanism, but we split it into the modern LaVey followers (atheists), the traditional satanists (mostly influenced by the old orders part of the Infernal Alliance), the people from the black metal scene that mix it with Norwegian mythology and those into what is referred to as ordinary "devil worship" (old school work with grimoires etc). For those people the common esoteric orders, even the thelemites, are considered as part of hardcore "white" magic(k).
There must be a lot of happy and content people living in Norway. (sarcasm intended)

Quote:So these are my current views on the topic at hand. I hope people can maybe help to clarify things in order to get a more complete picture of what is going on here.
Your thoughts and opinions are highly appreciated. By all means, don't hesitate to repeat this procedure... :grin:
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03-17-2007, 11:34 AM,
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Greetings again.

I have to admit that there is no way I can either confirm or deny (sounds like a movie :laugh: ) if people are into some sort of conspiracy, so my opinions are very subjective and based on my own impression of these people.

I have mixed feelings about the material that is presented by Leo. The reason being that all the stories he tells about the meetings with various individuals seem to be correct, but I don't necessarily agree with his presentation in all cases.

Since Leo has chosen to be a muslim I will have to respect that. And if you look at the occult orders in general through the eyes of one who truly believes Islam to be the only true religion, then everyone would be counted as infidels and servants of Shaitan, the Dajjal, djinns etc. I accept this, he has a right to front his views and he has been into this stuff.

For myself, I have to also look objectively into this and tell that from my own point of view this reality does not seem to exist for the people that Leo mentions. They have their own way of looking at reality. So it seems everyone believe themselves to be the good guys and everyone else are either evil or puppets on a string for some unseen force. People on this list have told they wanted to help Leo because they thought he would need professional help and I think they were sincere. So they also believe themselves to be the good guys in all this.

Here I don't agree, since I have my own views on how the esoteric should be practised which differ much from how some orders operate. If there is a law of cause and effect, then getting someone locked up because of things related to the occult is going way past what is accepted in certain closed groups. But then again, they are maybe forced to operate their orders in this way as part of being in line with the normal ethical standards in society.

I do have problems with parts of Leo's writings. He puts the satanist and illuminati tag on everyone when he describes the people that he has met . And this is for him correct if you base it on his point of view as a muslim who have been involved with something that is very opposed to his religion.

I don't have a definitive answer to this. It's like David Icke standing in front of the queen mother saying he knows she's a reptilian, and then Leo coming and telling that no... that is not the truth, the Djinns are behind this. A very awkward situation. One almost has to look at the humor in all of this. I think even Leo does that sometimes :biggrin:

Those are my five cents.
03-17-2007, 02:41 PM,
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Leo "spouts unadulterated rubbish"? Really? Well, since there are many, many pages of articles and well over a dozen hours of interviews, I look forward to a lengthy and exhaustive refutation of all of his major contentions. OK, I know we're all busy. . .a good solid sampling will do. (Please make sure it does not include the word 'pixel'.)
03-17-2007, 04:28 PM,
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
No, his writings are not rubbish. I am also against the New World Order and the P2 lodge is already known in this connection. So if Leo was involved with that and is fighting it, I support that 100 %.
03-17-2007, 05:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-17-2007, 05:53 PM by Naila.)
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Quote: [Direod' Mar 17 2007, 10:34 AM' post='55547']

... if you look at the occult orders in general through the eyes of one who truly believes Islam to be the only true religion, then everyone would be counted as infidels and servants of Shaitan, the Dajjal, djinns etc. I accept this, he has a right to front his views and he has been into this stuff.

* * *

I can just see the NWO folks snickering and high-fiving each other, since this kind of religious ignorance is one of their favorite ways of dividing us. True Muslims accept the teachings of Jesus (check the Koran), and I'm sure Leo knows many genuine Christians whose faith he respects and doesn't feel superior to. God sent Mohammed not to compete with Jesus, but to update and supplement his message for another time and place. More Christians probably negate the truth of Islam than the other way around -- but in any case, the only real religion to me is that of love, the inner heart, and pursuit of the personal experience of God. The main religious difference is the one between (1) people who want to embody God's qualities in their lives, and (2) those who only respect dogma, authority, and the tricks of the mind -- including divisions and feelings of superiority.

People of both types exist within each of the major religions. Leo embraces Sufism, which honors unity, peace, and the inner wisdom of Love. I see it as a school with glass walls which allow one to see and share the spiritual realities of others. My own Sufi teacher, M.R. Bawa Muhaiyaddeen, taught the messages of all the prophets, and was visited by people of all faiths (http://www.bmf.org) He had a great mistrust of "religion."

There's more and more disinformation about Islam out there, which is no accident since it's always been resistant to the NWO agenda A recent myth (cleverly disguised as inside Vatican info) is the Alberto Rivera story about how Islam supposedly has no basis in revelation, and was totally fabricated from a pagan deity by the Catholic Church. As I've said elsewhere in this forum, Leo pointed out that the historians and church leaders would have known nothing of such revelations, and created their "history" (shown to be full of holes) well afterwards. Yet the story continues to appear in the alternative media, and is being used to fuel hatred and destruction of Islam.

I know nothing of Leo's mental history, though we all know how these kinds of insinuations are used. Whatever the situation here, if anyone wants to disagree with Leo let it be on substantive matters (he's put plenty out there), and not conjectures about his psyche (What's going on in theirs?) :smile:
03-17-2007, 06:46 PM,
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Thank you for clarifying this Naila, good informative post. I might have written the post you referred to in a disrespectful manner and as such I should apologise. With more knowledge presented, I am always able to see things from a different perspective. Which is also the reason I started to post here.

I must admit that I have enjoyed Leo's writings. He did indeed put down some stories that some people did not want to see in the open. I felt maybe some persons became victims unjustified in this process, which is also why I wanted to present how I viewed the situation. In doing this I also testify to the truth of his story. This only refers to the Norwegian scene, I know nothing about the Italian and British connections he was involved with.

Your information on Islam and Sufism is much appreciated, thanks.
03-21-2007, 06:56 PM,
Leo Zagami Illuminati Insider
Hello everyone,
its always interesting to view Conspiracy Central for the latest and I also want to welcome our new guests in this forum.

Regarding the following: " People on this list have told they wanted to help Leo because they thought he would need professional help and I think they were sincere. So they also believe themselves to be the good guys in all this."
The problem with people like the Ordo Templi Orientis is that they cant be sincere because they are slaves of an infernal system, regarding the fact they wanted to help me I can assure you that these so called Brothers are liers of the first kind and they were never my true friends. I never needed their help, and definetely I didnt need them to send me the police and the child custody at home in early december 2006. These are evil and corrupt naive norwegian occultist manipulated by their Grand Master's like Arild Strømsvag....

Norway is a dangerous place full of satanist and atheist but me and my growing army of muslim followers and true believers of the Committee of Hope are now ready to fight them in the open, so try to arrest me again idiots and you will see the results all over the worldwide net soon after...

FIGHT THE ILLUMINAZI SCUM AND STAY ALIVE MY FRIENDS THE TIME IS GETTING NEAR, 2012 COMING UP AND THE FINAL CONFRONTATION.


But lets not forget that the Ordo Templi Orientis were a very low level organization compared to the P2 Monte Carlo Lodge that were amongst the true manipulators of the occult scene including the various branches of the OTO worldwide.That because the SMOM rules the OTO trough the MEC Monte Carlo Executive Committee.Now that the Norwegians are finaly discovering I was a Senior P2 member I can assure you there are a few of these low level individuals in the satanic field and a few Senior Norwegian Freemasons who are shitting themselfs. Never mess with the illuminati and never try to be one when you are not otherquise you could get in serious trouble with the Supreme Architects of the scene the Vatican and their Zionist allies.

Well from Rome (Italy) were Im staying for a few days all the best to my Committee's of Hope worldwide and As Salam Aleikum, remember one day this city called Roma will be part of our true Islamic Empire with no gay Pope or evil Zionist Jews.

Fraternaly yours,

Leo Lyon Zagami
now
Khaled Saifullah Khan


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