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Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
01-14-2007, 04:02 AM,
Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
Socialism or death eh? What of those who do not wish to live under socialism? Huh? Does that mean they have to die????

Noone has the right to steal from one in order to distribute it to another. Theft is theft! Noone has the right to mould society like a potter fashions clay either.

Jesus Christ was not a socialist. Under socialism people are forced to comply, it is an outward compulsion which leads to compliance. Jesus Christ taught an inner change of ones heart which would result in a reflected outward manifestation of behaviour.


Chavez Pledges 'Socialism or Death' at Swearing In Ceremony

Wednesday, January 10, 2007

CARACAS, Venezuela — Invoking Christ and Castro as his socialist models, President Hugo Chavez began his third term Wednesday by declaring that socialism, not capitalism, is the only way forward for Venezuela and the world.

His first stop: Nicaragua, where leftist ally Daniel Ortega was returning to power with his own inauguration hours later. Chavez can now count on remaining president until 2013 — or later if he gets his way with a constitutional amendment allowing him to run again.

At the apex of a resurgent Latin American left, Chavez has been emboldened to make more radical changes at home after winning re-election with 63 percent of the vote, his widest margin ever.

• Complete coverage is available in's Americas Center.

His next moves include nationalizing electrical and telecommunications companies, forming a commission to oversee constitutional reforms and asking the National Assembly, now entirely controlled by his supporters, to allow him to enact "revolutionary laws" by presidential decree.

His right hand raised Wednesday, Chavez declared in words reminiscent of Fidel Castro's famous call-to-arms: "Fatherland, socialism or death — I swear it." He also alluded to Jesus: "I swear by Christ — the greatest socialist in history."

n a speech, he said the central aim of his term will be "to build Venezuelan socialism."

"I don't have the slightest doubt that is the only path to the redemption of our peoples, the salvation of our fatherland," Chavez told lawmakers to applause.

Chavez's re-election capped a series of Latin American presidential votes, and his closest ideological allies were all gathering Wednesday in Managua. Also on Ortega's guest list were Ecuador's Rafael Correa and Bolivia's Evo Morales. Acting Cuban leader Raul Castro sent a high-level delegation.

Chavez said a commission was being assembled to consider constitutional reforms to be decided in a popular referendum, including one allowing "indefinite re-election" by doing away with presidential term limits that bar him from running again in 2012.

"The important thing is that the people will make the decision, because nothing can be done without that here," Chavez said, dismissing criticism that he is becoming authoritarian or trying to change Venezuela into something like Castro's Cuba.

Displaying blunt confidence during his speech, Chavez scolded leaders of the Roman Catholic Church and the Organization of American States for criticizing his decision not to renew the license of an opposition-aligned television station.

Turning to Venezuela's top Catholic prelate, Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Chavez said he could not understand why the church supported Radio Caracas Television, which Chavez accuses of subversive activities aimed at ousting him.

"Mr. Cardinal," Chavez said, "the state respects the church. The church should respect the state. I wouldn't like to return to the times of confrontation with Venezuelan bishops, but it's not up to me. It's up to the Venezuelan bishops."

With oil profits booming and his popularity high, Chavez seems to be in step with many Venezuelans even as spooked investors rushed to sell off Venezuelan stocks in companies subject to his nationalization plans.

Chavez called that a knee-jerk overreaction, and shares in Venezuela's leading telephone company rebounded as the congressional finance chief assured reporters Wednesday that the government will negotiate compensation to the affected companies.

He also visited the tomb of Simon Bolivar, the South American independence hero and inspiration for his "Bolivarian Revolution," and blew kisses to supporters tossing rose petals at his open car. Before flying to Nicaragua, the former paratroop commander also watched a military parade with Russian-made Sukhoi fighter jets thundering overhead.

Chavez said he is crafting a new sort of "21st century socialism" for Venezuela. Critics say it is starting to look like old-fashioned totalitarianism by a leader obsessed with power.

"They want to nationalize everything. This is the beginning," said Marisela Leon, a 47-year-old engineer who said she would like to leave Venezuela because she sees difficult times ahead.

But many of Chavez's largely poor and working class supporters remain optimistic. Miguel Angel Martinez, a 52-year-old street vendor, said the president "has dedicated himself to studying communist, socialist and democratic models and has taken the best of those models."

An Associated Press-Ipsos poll three weeks before his re-election found 62 percent support for nationalizing companies when in the national interest. But the poll also found 84 percent said they oppose adopting a political system like Cuba's, despite Chavez's reverence for Castro.

And while Chavez denies trying to adopt Cuba's system, he ended his inaugural speech Wednesday with Castro's signature phrase: "Socialism or death! We shall prevail!"
01-14-2007, 08:30 PM,
Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
You really shouldn't quote faux news when talking about chavez, more blatent lies have been made about him in the american media than truths.,00.html
No mention of him saying that here.
Or here, but how about this for suttle propaganda
Quote "Chavez cited the communist ideals of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin at other points in his speech." /Quote

And look I had to hunt, but I found a news report that is supportive of chavez:

Dont get me wrong, I am left a little worried about a couple of things he plans, but I would rather give him the benefit based on the good he has done for the commen people of that country, than believe the media scaremongering who have always been firmly against him. The commen people are far, far better off now than they were before he came to power.

As for the Only allowing supporters into the army and nationalising the TV station. That is understandable after the 2002 coup against him. Watch 'The revolution will not be televised' for more info.

01-14-2007, 09:18 PM,
Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
thanks DJoldskool, i was just about to say the same thing. Skinski7, you cited fox news as your source here. please, do yourself a favor and never look at fox propagana ever again. if there were a mouthpiece of the terrorists, fox news would be that mouthpiece.

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised:

if you want the truth about this kind of stuff, try al-jazeera.

even CNN, C-span and MSNBC are far more liberal than fox, and MSNBC and CNN are owned by the same neocons.
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01-14-2007, 09:36 PM,
Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
Skinski I liked your previous posts on Chavez and the pincer method the NWO is using to get us into a global U.N. structure, but it seems with this post you've done what you've blamed A.J. of doing... sensationalizing to support your own point of view.

I have to agree with these guys, fox news isn't exactly a good source of news:P

More importantly socialism does need to be scrutinized. It seems to be the flavor of the month ideology for the "rebels", replacing the old favorite of communism. What people need to understand is that capitalism isn't a completely broken system, it's just currently being utilized to secure power and control for the wealthy few that implemented the system. If we got rid of the aristocracy/elite and had free and open capitalism I think it would be the most fair and just system possible. Outside of cooperative anarchism, which I don't see as possible with the current human mindset, it seems to be the best way to run things.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
01-15-2007, 01:31 AM,
Chavez Pledges 'socialism Or Death' At Swearing In Ceremony
If you are going to get capitalism to work you have to get over the 'It takes money to make money' paradox.

Socialism has its main problems with the centralizing of power and often with inefficiency. I beleive the answr is somewhere in between.

One thing I do most definatly beleive in is the localisation of power, As much as is feasable all power should be made a local as possible. This is what the constitution tried to do to a point by making the states powerful and central government very small, it is a very different story now!


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