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Bill Cooper Q's
01-29-2007, 04:11 PM,
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Bill Cooper Q's
So, my friends reading Behold a Pale Horse and I've been watching all of his lectures and I got a few Q's.

What's the deal with his book when he just says stuff with no quotes or cites or anything? Like in the first 20 pages he just says that a probe is on it's way to Neptune with 450 million pounds of nuclear bomb material and it will blow up Neptune and create a second sun they have already named "Lucifer". He says this with no quotes or cites, and I think it's not even it's own paragraph, but instead in the middle of it.

And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?

Sorry if I'm annoying people with nothing but questions but this is the first time I've found a concise message board of dudes who just research and not just people telling eachother to watch Loose Change. I've been knee deep for 6 months now and every day it's weirder and weirder and I just don't wanna end up believing stuff that I just should't believe (I.E. brainwashing, propaganda, etc.)
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01-29-2007, 05:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 05:13 PM by skrllz.)
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Hopefully I can help you out here as I have followed Coopers work very closely.

Quote:So, my friends reading Behold a Pale Horse and I've been watching all of his lectures and I got a few Q's.

What's the deal with his book when he just says stuff with no quotes or cites or anything? Like in the first 20 pages he just says that a probe is on it's way to Neptune with 450 million pounds of nuclear bomb material and it will blow up Neptune and create a second sun they have already named "Lucifer". He says this with no quotes or cites, and I think it's not even it's own paragraph, but instead in the middle of it.


This was one of the strange things to be found in his book and I wondered what the deal was for a long time until I heard a caller asked him about it on air. Basically he just said it was one of the plans that didn’t end up working/happening. A lot of other people [Jordan Maxwell/Anthony J Hilder] were also saying this was a plan in the early nineties.

Quote:And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?

Cooper wrote a paper in 1997 explaining that all the Alien type stuff was in fact nonsense, and he and many others had been used and shown certain information to put forth the Alien agenda idea. It should be noted that even on his very earliest radio shows in 92 Cooper was never an alien nut and was always pretty sceptical , explaining how the government was in possession of advance craft etc. So yes, the Alien talk in the book Behold A Pale Horse should not be taken as fact, as is outlined in the introduction of that chapter.

The paper, called Majesty Twelve can be read here: http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

There’s a lot of hate on Cooper, mostly because he’s dead and no longer active and secondly he cant defend himself. However, the material and work he did speaks for itself whether you like the guy not.

Most people probably have no idea of how active he was all throughout the 1990's into 2001 when he was killed. He also did tremendous work with his Citizens agency for joint intelligence [CAJI], which at one point was the largest network of civilian intelligence and was active in many movements to protect the constitution.

I don’t think anyone can get a clear picture of the wealth of knowledge he possessed and exposed without listening to some of the huge catalogue of radio shows he has. He truly was a great man and a wonderful speaker.
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01-29-2007, 08:23 PM,
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I just heard something on Cassini the other day. supposedly Cassini is the 2nd attempt (also twice as much Plutonium as Galileo) at igniting one of the planets-Saturn to be more specific...Is it possible Cooper may have disclosed the plot too early and so theyve decided to change the details. I figure they want the same after effect...
Here are some things to look at... you could also Google: Lucifer Project

http://cyberspaceorbit.com/saturn/lpnew.htm
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/satu...inclination.cfm

and dont forget that the man that Cassini was named after... a bit significant I'd say...
[Image: cassini,1.jpg]
Cassini was born Giovanni Domenico Cassini in Perinald, Imperia, Italy, on 8 June 1625. Because of his interest in astrology and science, he was employed by a rich amateur astronomer, Marquis Cornelio Malvasia, in Bologna.
He was also a Jesuit.
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01-29-2007, 09:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 10:02 PM by ephilution.)
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Quote:So, my friends reading Behold a Pale Horse and I've been watching all of his lectures and I got a few Q's.

What's the deal with his book when he just says stuff with no quotes or cites or anything? Like in the first 20 pages he just says that a probe is on it's way to Neptune with 450 million pounds of nuclear bomb material and it will blow up Neptune and create a second sun they have already named "Lucifer". He says this with no quotes or cites, and I think it's not even it's own paragraph, but instead in the middle of it.
That is no the first time I hear of such a plan. According to one John Daniel it's called the Cassini/Lucifer project, but in this guy's script it's all about blowing Saturn to smithereens. Here's a radio interview with the man:
http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/stats.ht...683798168711c01

Or direct download:
John Daniel Hour 1
John Daniel Hour 2

Quote:And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?
Yep, heard that one too, excluding the Greys part though..

Quote:Sorry if I'm annoying people with nothing but questions but this is the first time I've found a concise message board of dudes who just research and not just people telling eachother to watch Loose Change. I've been knee deep for 6 months now and every day it's weirder and weirder and I just don't wanna end up believing stuff that I just should't believe (I.E. brainwashing, propaganda, etc.)
Don't worry about annoying us, you're doing great... Keep on going chief.
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01-29-2007, 10:14 PM,
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http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/06...ssini_fate.html
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01-29-2007, 10:50 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-29-2007, 10:52 PM by Skinski7.)
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I have not read up on the Cassini project at all but I remember Bill Cooper mentioning the Galileo probe and how it was intended to crash with its plutonium payload into Jupiter in the year 2000 and ignite the planet into a second sun. Of course this did not happen and Bill really had stopped referring to it around 1997 or 1998 as far as I am aware, perhaps because he was having doubts or perhaps because he wanted to avoid controversy.

You'll hear this supposed ignition mentioned in one of Anthony Hilder's songs, either New World Order or Ordo Ab Chao (I forget which).

I remember this topic being raised in some science literature back in the late nineties and the overwhelming consensus was that such an ignition was impossible due to several factors (I cannot remember the details). I have not studied the issue myself in depth so as to form a definate opinion if such a thing was possible or was simply in the realm of science fiction.

The ignition of Jupiter is mentioned in Arthur C Clarkes book 2010 in a chapter called 'Lucifer.' Jupiter ignites due to the the increasing number of Monoliths around the planet which increase the planets density and the planet achieves nuclear fusion and becomes a small sun. Later in the book this sun is renamed Lucifer by people on the Earth.

Bill Cooper spent quite a few episodes explaining the symbolism in the films/books 2001: A Space Odyssey and 2010: The Year We Make Contact as well as some of Arthur C Clarke's other works. Thus I think we can see why Bill may have taken the ignition of Jupiter in a serious light especially in regards to the significance such an event would hold to the adepts of the Mysteries.

Skrllz..... Thanks for your post. I never heard that phonecall you mention but that sheds a little more light in my eyes regarding Bill's view of this scenario.
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01-30-2007, 08:32 PM,
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Quote:And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?
Yep, heard that one too, excluding the Greys part though..

Can anyone expand on this? I'm just really taken aback because it doesn't add up to like ancient austronauts and all of that
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01-30-2007, 08:47 PM,
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Does anyone in here take the claim that you can explode a planet and create a sun seriously?

I think most cosnspiracy theory was made possible by the total failure of the American education system.
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01-30-2007, 08:53 PM,
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Quote:
Quote:And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?
Yep, heard that one too, excluding the Greys part though..

Can anyone expand on this? I'm just really taken aback because it doesn't add up to like ancient austronauts and all of that

Cooper never believed there were ancient vistors from outer space that created humans. On many occassions he has exposed Sitchin and others for bringing out these false claims.

He mentioned on many occassions that the use of genetically altered monkeys and humans could be used to create the 'greys' to fool people.
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01-30-2007, 09:03 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-30-2007, 09:07 PM by ephilution.)
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Quote:
Quote:And did he towards the end of his life recant on everything he said and said that the government was behind it all and everything we ever knew about aliens and stuff was all faked? I heard (but havn't researched it) that he said that like greys were actually genetically engineered humans and stuff like that? True?
Yep, heard that one too, excluding the Greys part though..

Can anyone expand on this? I'm just really taken aback because it doesn't add up to like ancient austronauts and all of that
Without the need for pretending to be an expert on ante-deluvian history, I think both ideas may very well be quite independent from eachother. While ancient astronauts may once have descended on Earth, this new alien thing may have been cooked up entirely by our beloved powers that be. I see no logical conflict of historical fact per se. Also ask yourself who benefits most from hoaxing a global invasion by bloodthirsty aliens?
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01-31-2007, 04:00 AM,
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First, let me say that I really admired and respected William Cooper. His research was probably the most significant ever done. However, my admiration for Cooper does not get in the way of my ability to see the faults in his work. One thing in particular was the fact that he was extremely stubborn and taught everything as fact. Another thing is that he (mostly toward the beginning of his work) seem to believe a lot of outlandish stuff. I am not saying that you should not listen to him, I am simply saying that you should do as I did and take this lesson from Coopers life, DO NOT waste your time making assumptions and theorizing. That claim is often brought up to show how "crazy and unreliable" he was. That one claim simply turned people off to all his other very important info.
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01-31-2007, 04:10 PM,
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That's what I'm doing right now, listening but with extreme skepticism.

To me it comes down to tons upon tons of religious texts and ancient writings to corroborate the ancien t austronaut theories vs. Bill Cooper 90% of the time just stating stuff with no citations or literature to back it up. I 100% think the guy rocked and what he did was important and I read or watch at least 1 thing on him a day but I find it real hard to believe him when he just says "and than this happened"
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02-01-2007, 11:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-01-2007, 12:19 PM by skrllz.)
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Are you saying that your weighting up the argument of ancient austronauts vs Bill Cooper who doesnt believe in them?

If so you need to keep studying. If your looking at religious texts for things about aliens then your looking into a non-historical document for something your trying to prove as fact. Religious texts contain so many vailed meanings and metaphors I would be vary wary about accepting anything that appears E.T related as evidence.

Lastly, if you never heard Bill Cooper say the following, you either didnt listen enough or wasnt paying attention:

Quote:listen to everyone, read everything, but believe absolutely nothing
unless you can verify it in your program of due dilligence through your research
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02-02-2007, 04:35 PM,
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Quote:Are you saying that your weighting up the argument of ancient austronauts vs Bill Cooper who doesnt believe in them?

If so you need to keep studying. If your looking at religious texts for things about aliens then your looking into a non-historical document for something your trying to prove as fact. Religious texts contain so many vailed meanings and metaphors I would be vary wary about accepting anything that appears E.T related as evidence.

Lastly, if you never heard Bill Cooper say the following, you either didnt listen enough or wasnt paying attention:

Quote:listen to everyone, read everything, but believe absolutely nothing
unless you can verify it in your program of due dilligence through your research

I'm not saying I believe anyone about anything, but Sitchin spends an entire book on one series of texts while Cooper mentions that a stellite with nukes on it will blow up a planet to make sun, said in one paragraph with no citation or anything to back it up and I always want to avoid being overtly paranoid.

I read and watch absolutely anything because it all could be true at any time, but you have to doubt everything, and that includes those you believe.

I'm more interested in Bill's life, not what he said, because it's just.... real fucked up and you gotta investigate every nook and cranny.
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10-29-2007, 08:30 PM,
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Quote:Does anyone in here take the claim that you can explode a planet and create a sun seriously?

I think most cosnspiracy theory was made possible by the total failure of the American education system.


I think that was Tesla said he could split earth in two by a resonant 1 and 1/2 hour pile driver
hit period.

He made the statement that for the first time man could destroy his own existence.

That might have scared a few people.
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