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Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
03-02-2007, 01:02 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-02-2007, 01:03 AM by ephilution.)
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Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
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Quote:The closing of his first site was reason enough for Leo to start ringing some alarm bells. To this day I don't know if he retrieved all of his files from squarespace.com.

The whole hassle is more or less documented in this thread:
http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=4814

I do recall there being a delay in the transfer of the files from squarespace.com to either directly to Leo or webfriend.it.... Time enough to plant stuff I'd think. I also recall that Leo couldn't access his Yahoo account (to which his documents allegedly were sent from squarespace) for some time during the closing down event . Leo reported it consistently crashed when he tried to access it. That of and by itself to me seems reason enough to raise suspicion.

Yes you are right and I should have pointed at that thread in my post. However, Leo's reaction was verging a little on the histrionic IMHO. Anthony struck me (from his correspondence with you which you were kind enough to post) as being the last person who would want to get involved in "planting stuff". He just wanted rid of a problem which had created itself. It was Leo's own fault he got kicked off squarespace - that must be clear.

I have a great deal of difficulty in understanding how someone of Leo's intelligence would:

a) Upload all his stuff to a third party site without ensuring that he held original copies in a safe place totally under his control and;
This isn't clear to me also. But sometimes people choose to go through the school of hard knocks. Even the most intelligent people may slip up and blunder if they focus too much of their time and energy on prioritizing certain issues while neglecting other regarded less important ones which turn out not to be that all unimportant after all.


Quote:B)Used anything but original data on the new site.

The supposition that it was tampered with is stretching credulity to the limits. Don't I remember it crashed because he either was using the wrong application to get into it or didn't know how to drive it?
If I recall correctly it was his mailbox at yahoo that kept on crashing when Leo tried to access it after Anthony supposedly sent him his website material to that account. Which is a little odd to say the least.


Quote:In any event the answer will be provided if Leo answers my earlier questions concerning the wretched image as raised earlier.

Cheers
It is a dubious phenomenon but by no means damning evidence. If the pictorial anomaly cannot be explained away as an JPEG artifact then there's always the possibility of third parties trying to perhaps cause a divide in this fragile fledgling community and send Leo's credibility down the tubes.

I don't think governmental agencies with nefarious purposes would have difficulty flexing some hacking muscle and break in and modify sensitive data of any random site. Of course the modifications would have to be of such marginal scale so as to remain stealthy and avoid raising suspicion by the rightful owner of the site at hand who might start raising hell's bells upon discovery of any tampering of his original material.

Or is this a little too much sci-fi for the likes of you? Any hacking specialists who wish to comment on this potential scenario?
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03-02-2007, 01:28 AM,
#47
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:This isn't clear to me also. But sometimes people choose to go through the school of hard knocks. Even the most intelligent people may slip up and blunder if they focus too much of their time and energy on prioritizing certain issues while neglecting other regarded less important ones which turn out not to be that all unimportant after all.
Yes that's very true.

Quote:If I recall correctly it was his mailbox at yahoo that kept on crashing when Leo tried to access it after Anthony supposedly sent him his website material to that account. Which is a little odd to say the least.
Yes I remember now. Well a webmail account with limited storage space it would crash if someone stuffed "n" megabytes of data into it when it was only designed to take n to the minus 2. Wouldn't it?

Quote:It is a dubious phenomenon but by no means damning evidence. If the pictorial anomaly cannot be explained away as an JPEG artifact then there's always the possibility of third parties trying to perhaps cause a divide in this fragile fledgling community and send Leo's credibility down the tubes.
Sorry to say it but now you're seeing ghosts. This only came up because some clever clogs calling himself Z-T highlighted it. If "they" really wanted to cause a divide in this fragile community there's far more effective ways of doing it that altering some stupid image of two guys cuddlling up to one another for the camera on another site. And you invited me to consider "reality" earlier on!!! Come on sport.

Quote:I don't think governmental agencies with nefarious purposes would have difficulty flexing some hacking muscle and break in and modify sensitive data of any random site. Of course the modifications would have to be of such marginal scale so as to remain stealthy and avoid raising suspicion by the rightful owner of the site at hand who might start raising hell's bells upon discovery of any tampering of his original material.
Assuming they could be bothered. OK then lets assume that your last sentence is true. Leo didn't go looking for it and the image got through. If your premise is correct why has Leo not been shouting (as he is won't to do) "my data has been tampered with by the Illuminati" just as soon as Z-T highlighted it? No Leo that's not an invitation to do so but if you could answer the earlier question that would be a great help and put this nonsense to bed once and for all.

Quote:Or is this a little too much sci-fi for the likes of you?
Nope. What is "the likes of you" supposed to mean?

Tell me why is it that you so desperately seem to want absolutely everything that Leo says to be 100% true? Is it self justification on the masonic conspiracy line and has nothing to do with Leo as an individual at all? I'm starting to get similar vibrations to those I was getting when posters here were quite clearly so desperate for your situation in Czecho (sorry that happened by the way) to be politically motivated as a self justification exercise. Sorry to be blunt.

Cheers



Cheers
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03-02-2007, 01:05 PM,
#48
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:
Quote:If I recall correctly it was his mailbox at yahoo that kept on crashing when Leo tried to access it after Anthony supposedly sent him his website material to that account. Which is a little odd to say the least.
Yes I remember now. Well a webmail account with limited storage space it would crash if someone stuffed "n" megabytes of data into it when it was only designed to take n to the minus 2. Wouldn't it?
Yahoo offers storage space of 1 Gb. Surely this is enough space to host even quite sizable website images.
There may be a possibility that yahoo could not handle large emails but wouldn't you think that that is insufficient reason to elicit crashes on inquiry of the mailbox by its owner?

Quote:
Quote:It is a dubious phenomenon but by no means damning evidence. If the pictorial anomaly cannot be explained away as an JPEG artifact then there's always the possibility of third parties trying to perhaps cause a divide in this fragile fledgling community and send Leo's credibility down the tubes.
Sorry to say it but now you're seeing ghosts. This only came up because some clever clogs calling himself Z-T highlighted it. If "they" really wanted to cause a divide in this fragile community there's far more effective ways of doing it that altering some stupid image of two guys cuddlling up to one another for the camera on another site. And you invited me to consider "reality" earlier on!!! Come on sport.
I agree I might be seeing ghosts and might be making a big deal out of nothing, but why are we caught tangled in a tango then? :biggrin: Forgery is a serious issue, especially regarding minute details as any banknote counterfeiter would tell you.

Quote:
Quote:I don't think governmental agencies with nefarious purposes would have difficulty flexing some hacking muscle and break in and modify sensitive data of any random site. Of course the modifications would have to be of such marginal scale so as to remain stealthy and avoid raising suspicion by the rightful owner of the site at hand who might start raising hell's bells upon discovery of any tampering of his original material.
Assuming they could be bothered. OK then lets assume that your last sentence is true. Leo didn't go looking for it and the image got through. If your premise is correct why has Leo not been shouting (as he is won't to do) "my data has been tampered with by the Illuminati" just as soon as Z-T highlighted it? No Leo that's not an invitation to do so but if you could answer the earlier question that would be a great help and put this nonsense to bed once and for all.
Well, Leo said he wouldn't use cheap-tricks like that. A perhaps rather weak response, but maybe he doesn't think as high of the issue as you and I demonstrate to do and is convinced that the picture is genuine all the way through as he was the one that shot it.

Quote:
Quote:Or is this a little too much sci-fi for the likes of you?
Nope. What is "the likes of you" supposed to mean?
Likes of you = people like you

Quote:Tell me why is it that you so desperately seem to want absolutely everything that Leo says to be 100% true? Is it self justification on the masonic conspiracy line and has nothing to do with Leo as an individual at all? I'm starting to get similar vibrations to those I was getting when posters here were quite clearly so desperate for your situation in Czecho (sorry that happened by the way) to be politically motivated as a self justification exercise. Sorry to be blunt.

Cheers
No need to apologize, I can cope don't worry. I don't understand your second to last sentence though. Please explain further.

Leo is explaining history and world-events in a way I can relate to. I sympathize for him for sticking his head out for the betterment of the world and his recanting of a former darker episode of his life. There are some things I have to remain agnostic about such as the more metaphysical aspects of his stories: Jinns and fundamental religious stuff. Personally, I don't really like forced choice you're-either-with-us-or-against-us, fire-and-brimstone religious paradigms and with all due respect to all the deeply religious folks out there this seems like sheer mind-control to me that once worked well to herd the masses in the dark ages but seem outdated now as it seems to easily fall apart under the slightest strain of intellectual inspection and critical analysis. For instance, the story of Jesus the anointed one is one that has been rehashed and plagiarized time and again throughout the ages (Jesus = Krisna = Mithra = Buddha = Horus etc) . That is not to say that I'm not open to the accepting the metaphysical: God, Satan and Jinns and so on. I just don't have personal experience with any of it and I've witnessed and experienced enough misery in my life to doubt the existence of a benevolent Overlord (this is no plea for pity though :biggrin:).

I have a purely scientific background (=where atheism reigns supreme, at least on a superficial overt day-light friendly level) and once nearly deified Darwin (hence the inspiration for my nick). I've come a long way since then though and now am much more open to the spiritual and the metaphysical. If anything I would rather call myself spiritual (believer in the human spirit) than religious. I'm always ready to change my viewpoint regarding whatever subject matter or conviction. I've done so in the past and expect to do in the future as well.

I'm a truthseeker at heart and am prepared to defend people who do the same. I will defend you too (or anybody else for that matter) if you say things I can relate and approve with. :smile:
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03-02-2007, 01:42 PM,
#49
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:Yahoo offers storage space of 1 Gb. Surely this is enough space to host even quite sizable website images.
There may be a possibility that yahoo could not handle large emails but wouldn't you think that that is insufficient reason to elicit crashes on inquiry of the mailbox by its owner?

My personal experience is that yahoo almost always crashes when sending large files like music etc. At least my account does. No irony intended, would you consider this a reason to worry if you were in my shoes?
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03-02-2007, 03:19 PM,
#50
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:
Quote: Yahoo offers storage space of 1 Gb. Surely this is enough space to host even quite sizable website images.
There may be a possibility that yahoo could not handle large emails but wouldn't you think that that is insufficient reason to elicit crashes on inquiry of the mailbox by its owner?

My personal experience is that yahoo almost always crashes when sending large files like music etc. At least my account does. No irony intended, would you consider this a reason to worry if you were in my shoes?
I don't know, I suppose I'd have to know you in order to say something meaningful about that. Are you in the music business and regularly get music by way of email?

At any rate, I've just initiated a transfer of a 62 megs file from my regular email account to my yahoo account. It's still in the process of sending it so I guess we just have to wait and see what happens.
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03-02-2007, 04:18 PM,
#51
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
This is still an issue for some people?:eyebrow:
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03-02-2007, 04:40 PM,
#52
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
THE PICTURE IS GENUINE AND THATS THE FACT NOT YOUR FICTION CLAIMS , AND THAT WAS MY ROSE+CROIX CHAPTER PIN.
Best Regards,
Leo
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03-02-2007, 08:44 PM,
#53
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1176/discoqk9.jpg

L. ! Y. ?
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03-02-2007, 08:47 PM,
#54
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8880/forestfireza7.jpg
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03-02-2007, 09:45 PM,
#55
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:THE PICTURE IS GENUINE AND THATS THE FACT NOT YOUR FICTION CLAIMS , AND THAT WAS MY ROSE+CROIX CHAPTER PIN.
Best Regards,
Leo
Thanks Leo so we can put to bed the rather crazy idea that it was tampered with by squarespace or others unknown. Thank goodness and thanks for the headsu on the pin as well for the beneft of all.

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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03-02-2007, 09:46 PM,
#56
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1176/discoqk9.jpg

L. ! Y. ?
How old are you?

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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03-02-2007, 09:48 PM,
#57
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8880/forestfireza7.jpg
:spam2:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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03-02-2007, 11:40 PM,
#58
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
So, Leo fakes pictures. The next question is, why would he add a small pin that doesnt't really make any difference...anyone know anything about what a R+C chapter pin is supposed to represent?

It can not be a reference to the OTO, since Leo was never more than a guest or neophyte in the order...
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03-03-2007, 12:06 AM,
#59
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
Quote:anyone know anything about what a R+C chapter pin is supposed to represent?
An indication of membership of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite - known as Rose Croix. But it looks like an Englisgh RC pin and I thought he was in it in Italy.

Quote:It can not be a reference to the OTO, since Leo was never more than a guest or neophyte in the order...
No it's got nothing to do with OTO irrespective of Leo's membership.

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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03-03-2007, 11:41 AM,
#60
Leo Zagami + Greg Szymanski Abuse "kitz"
isnt the whole thing obvious ?

maybe you didnt get my Dis.Co joke;)
theres still the question : Y ? (why)

and for my age, i just stuck to the boyscouts :
pathfinders perform secret handshakes,
are using "occult" symbolism,
and have ritual oaths. check it !

then take a look at their founder BP, and youll find a maltese - SS agent, who nobely brought "peace" to southafrica.

and i think leo understood the 2 "spammed" pics
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