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If There Were Explosives In The Buildings
03-02-2007, 12:10 AM,
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If There Were Explosives In The Buildings
You know I've always thought of this and it doesn't make any sence. If those buildings were wired up with bombs I dont understand why the planes crashing into the towers wouldn't set off a chain reaction. They would.

Unless somehow they knew exactly what elevation the planes would hit each tower and it was possible to engineer the demolition to work without certain floors, but I still think the fires would spread.

Can anybody speak to this.
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03-02-2007, 12:14 AM,
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some explosives such as C4 will only detonate with an electrical charge, thats why they were using them in gulf war one to put out the burning oil wells.
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03-02-2007, 12:36 AM,
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Quote:some explosives such as C4 will only detonate with an electrical charge, thats why they were using them in gulf war one to put out the burning oil wells.
Yes. You can hammer it, mould it, stuff it into awkward shapes, burn it and all sorts and it's quite quite inert - just 'til you give the det those teensy few volts then watch out for the bits. Chain reaction? 'Fraid not.

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03-02-2007, 03:44 AM,
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Think about the shock that the high explosive shell in a gun has to endure just to make it to the target without exploding. Crazy g-forces and pressures are required to fire them miles away. It's no problem to design explosive to take massive shock and pressure without exploding. They had to solve that problem a long time ago.
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03-02-2007, 04:35 AM,
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just like a nuke wont go off unless detonated. they dont just go off because you jar them too much.
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03-02-2007, 05:09 AM,
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The explosives weren't used by this guy,

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but by this guy.

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03-02-2007, 07:51 AM,
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Quote:The explosives weren't used by this guy,

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but by this guy.

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my Wiley Coyote hotlink got removed.
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03-02-2007, 08:24 AM,
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I've often suspected that the crashing of the planes did somehow help the demolition process in a way that also made it appear more like a collapse. Just a theory that's popped up before in my mind though, I could be totally wrong.
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03-02-2007, 08:43 AM,
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If There Were Explosives In The Buildings
Quote:You know I've always thought of this and it doesn't make any sence. If those buildings were wired up with bombs I dont understand why the planes crashing into the towers wouldn't set off a chain reaction. They would.

Unless somehow they knew exactly what elevation the planes would hit each tower and it was possible to engineer the demolition to work without certain floors, but I still think the fires would spread.

Can anybody speak to this.

The WTC was a tube within a tube. The central core supported the gravity load (ie the weight of the building), while the steel exoskeleton supported the lateral load. The lateral load is caused by wind sheer/wind pressure, and the building was able to flex. Dampers were strategically located to reduce the effect so that office workers wouldn't be able to sense that the building was flexing under wind sheer.

A different type of design might have used a counter-weight that rolls on tracks on the roof to counter the effect of the building swaying under high winds.

The WTC had a design scheme that also allowed it to withstand the impact of one or more aircraft. That was important as 3 major airports, La Guardia, Kennedy and Newark are nearby, and the bulk of aviation accidents occur on take-off or landing.

The impact would not have affected explosive charges, even if those charges were nitroglycerin, which is vulnerable to shocks.

If you recall witness statements, office workers did not know that an aircraft had struck the building until they were told an aircraft had struck the building, because the towers flexed on impact to absorb the shock and made it unnoticeable.

Logic would dictate that explosives be placed in the central core, since only by destroying the central core could the towers have collapsed. Statements by witnesses and fire and rescue workers indicate that the central core was not damaged on impact. That is obvious for WTC2 since the aircraft struck the corner of the building on what was essentially a "through and through."

Because the explosive charges were located inside the central core, and as others correctly pointed out, plastic shape charges are impervious to shock, the aircraft impacts would not have detonated the plastic explosives.

The most credible scheme is that the explosives were transported from the offices of Urban Moving Systems using ordinary moving vans and planted in the central cores during the weekend of September 7-9, when both towers were closed, and telephone and electric power were interrupted. Note that the bomb sniffing dogs were also removed. The could never have found the explosives in the central core, but they would have alerted on individuals who had plastic explosive residue on their hands, clothing and shoes from handling the plastic explosives.

Also note that it wasn't necessary to place plastic explosives in the central core for each floor. It would have been sufficient to place explosives every 2 out of 5 floors or even every 2 out of 10. Even if explosives were placed in the central core to desttroy it on each floor, 2 tons of explosives (4000 pounds) would have been enough for each tower, and the moving vans of Urban Moving Systems would have easily been able to transport that to the towers.

The explosives were most likely detonated by radio frequencies using ordinary CDMA technology. A transceiver would have been placed in the central core of each tower to receive the radio signal, amplify it and then rebroadcast it.

Observers with communication equipment like video, secured radio, and frequency scanners, would have provided a live feed to the demolition control center, probably located at the office/warehouse of Urban Moving Systems. Computerized demolition software allows for multiple firing sequences to be stored in advance and those can also be modified on the fly for any situation.
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