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Video Games...evil Or Not?
03-10-2007, 10:32 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
the reason I ask is that I was just offered a sweet jb at a gaming company any am trying to decide if I should take it
03-10-2007, 10:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-10-2007, 10:54 AM by standvast.)
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Define evil ? are videogames in itself to be considered harmfull ?
what do you consider the cream of the crop in computer games?
how do you personally feel about videogames used for recruitment purposes and propaganda ?
do you consider games to have educational or skill-sharpening value ?
would you work on a game which you think is utter rubbish or even harmfull?
what sort of games will you be working on / do you have a say in that at the company ?
how heavilly do you weigh moral principle against the benefits of a well-paying job ?

consider this.
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

03-10-2007, 11:11 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
yeah man, if you're in a position to make a difference (a positive one) i
would do it, if not, make one anyways. personally, i would take it because
i have mad ideas and i think lots of people would be interested in hearing them.
but if you're going to be just a slave and all you're doing is programming shit
and not really having a say in the game, then blah...ya know?
seems like good money to me, and if you're really interested in games
you can use that as experience and maybe start your own stuff up in the future.
and of course, with any job, if it's not something you don't like doing period...just don't do it.
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03-10-2007, 02:32 PM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
I'd take the job personally I like video games.
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03-10-2007, 04:45 PM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Give it a go, you can always leave.

I think there's a lot to be said for turn based games such as Civilization, the strategies involved can give a good insight into real world events. I really enjoyed Half Life 2 though..

They aren't intrinsically bad, it's what message they convey which is the question.
03-10-2007, 05:04 PM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Video games like any medium have the ability to be good or evil and I'm saying this as a game player of justice-themed games. However the latest spate of popular games have to do with mindless, sociopathic destruction or sick, imperialist covert-ops fantasies. Quite often they're sending a message of "How to be a thug and deploy your homicidal rage on the populace to advance a career as a criminal. Scarface, The Godfather, The Grand Theft Auto series, Black, True Crime, SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs, Hitman, Ghost Recon, Metal Gear, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell, and the racial stereotype Icon game.

Step back and take a good look at the level of Psy Ops targeting the minds of this current generation of youth:

1) You have new Horror movies that are actually "snuff" filcks for all intents and purposes, exhibiting graphic torture that rivals any intel assassin programing fare.

2) MTV, which is about as dogshit worse as you can get for television. If their not showing (instructing rather) wanton depravity, they are showing inane, socially retarded individuals who collide with one another and call it interaction. Then they have a programme called "Scarred" where they actually show video clips of guys breaking bones, smashing out teeth, and getting other horrifying injuries. Also factor in TV shows like '24' that depicts a state-sanctioned thug running about torturing and murdering.

What you have is IllumiNazi programming to undermine family bonds, channel deep psychological rage into solutions of violence and murder, and psychologically inculcate profoundly disturbing scenes of sex, mutilation and grotesque murder into the minds of youth. Then take that humanity-detached mentality straight into school and a future career as a soldier.

I do want to make clear that this media programming is for us all, not just impressionable youth being bred for ultra-violence. They know this programming will not take root in everyone, just the easily swayed and the
psychologically isolated. What we are witnessing is the fruits of the aftermath of calculated campaigns to break family bonds, respect and influence and supplant them with this garbage. In some households the TV and XBox are the fathers and mothers of this new generation.

Fuck these diversions and get back to the essentials: reading books, enjoying substantial friends and loved ones and doing something to counteract the evil we all face in the real world game that's called life. There's no reset button for the installation of fascism and enslavement, and whether you know it or not, you're up against the big bosses in the final level.
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03-10-2007, 05:09 PM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Video games can definitely condition someone's thinking, but I would take the job, it could lead to other things that you personally can have effect on like a "Hunt the NWO" game or "Follow the terrorist' game, where a guy from the Middle East gets approached by a CIA agent and goes through their training him and giving him his final assignment, the US... will he take it? (Damn, that sounds good, I want a credit if you do it!). In some manner down the line, we all give a measure of support to that which we don't agree with.
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03-10-2007, 06:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-10-2007, 06:17 PM by ephilution.)
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Programming is a great way to cultivate the creative, deductive, logical and mathematically inclined mind. I should know since I've been programming for some 20 years ever since I was 15 or so, both on an amateur and professional level. I'd like to think that it also helped me greatly in learning how think accurately, independently and aided in my capacity to solve problems, nurture integrity and independence of mind.

Software development relies on a neutral technology which can either be used for the benefit of society and, unfortunately also, against society by degrading the social habitat and respect for fellow human beings. Hence the conscientious programmer should adopt the moral obligation to choose more benign and responsible projects in contrast to the ones that praise death and destruction. If you are one such responsible programmer it would seem useful to first find out what kind of projects your potential new employer has engaged in in the past. If the software house has a penchant for games that glorify death and destruction then it would probably be the wisest of choices to go and join. Personally I would favor joining software houses that engage in projects that foster logical and creative thinking instead of cultivating aggression and ignorance. I'm thinking of thinking games or educational ones.
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03-11-2007, 09:20 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Quote:the reason I ask is that I was just offered a sweet jb at a gaming company any am trying to decide if I should take it

Depends on the company & what games you'll be working on.

As a medium, games are neutral. So its important to find out what they're being used for. Good, bad, or somewhere in between? I think its important that you find out how *you* feel about this stuff and make a decision based on that.

I knew a Christian who worked for a games company. But he refused to work on a new project involving ghosts & occult stuff because it conflicted with his morals.

I also worked for a games company (as a programmer) for a number of years but eventually left partly due to moral issues I had with how it was doing business. The company was purely concerned with making $$$ and didn't really care about games or about the customer. They would knowingly realease bad software to the public and then pay-off magazines to bump up the review scores. End result: lots of people buy crap games & the company makes a good profit.

Though, not all companies are that bad. There are plenty out there who want to make good, fun & creative games.
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03-13-2007, 07:57 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-13-2007, 07:58 AM by SerialExpLain.)
Video Games...evil Or Not?
All I want for a MPORG is for someone to do a TORG MPORG!!!

It would RULE the MPORG world.

OMG, I would do nothing else...maybe they are evil then, but it would be a delicious vice and one I am afraid I would succumb to, for a while at least.

If that doesn't happen then I would settle for a World of Starcraft MPORG.

So, if you are in the right place at the right time, can you make my dreams come true?

Good luck at your new job.
03-14-2007, 05:22 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
What Hei Hu Quan wrote is the best description about computer games and its effects to society I have ever read. I wish those "experts" in the media would talk like this. I want to ask you, Hei Hu Quan, for permission to reprint this text. For my personal opinion, I have nothing to add, you already said it all.
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03-14-2007, 05:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-14-2007, 06:13 PM by Hei Hu Quan.)
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Thank you Phil999, for your generous praise of my post. Absolutely, you have my permission to reprint the text. I'm more than glad to assist in the effort to provide a spotlight on what I think are campaigns of degenerative psychological ops, aimed at sabotaging the next generation of youth. Video games can be a guilty pleasure that can provide a bit of cathartic release to an already stressed-to-breaking-point society. There are a few games in existence that can educate as well as inspire or provide that aforesaid release. But much like the music industry, the powers that be want to inculcate self-deprecation, despair and wanton, ugly abhorrent behaviours that promote death and misogynistic sexualization. It's a dual-pronged attack that suits both their goals and subverts the potentiality of any resistance to their calculated Fourth Reich. The telling thing is that the frightened little control freaks looking to preserve their assumed power over us, are working desperately to derail the potential power, vitality and questioning mindset of young people, and channel them into the porn-obsessed deathcult mentality you see prevalent in today's so-called pop culture. I've witnessed utterly disgusting acts on the telly, to the point where the lowest common denominator has not only been breached, but infinitely surpassed as a new standard. Negative video games as well as other forms of sustained media sensory bombardment, can incite minds with weak firewalls and other environmental instabilities, to whatever actions the programmers desire if done in a consistently incessant manner. If they didn't work, the military and intelligence circles would not be incorporating them as standard training tools for soldiers and operatives within their respective agencies. Colonial imperialists and the Third Reich developed these divisive control techniques, which have been both expanded and refined to the status of high-art we are currently in the throes of now. The prime component of peer-pressure can generate the alpha 'lead cows' necessary to ensure that the greater number of the pack stay on the desired course of self-destruction. If you hold fast independent thinking and lifestyle that is out of regulation you will be quickly targeted for ridicule and be ostracized as an outlaw or in the near future as a "potential terrorist". You are out of compliance as a human being and fast tracked for social neutralization. I've been out of compliance for most of my life and I don't give one solid fuck for any contrived impositions that dissolve my freedom and inherent, universal rights as a human being. Bow to no man, dog to no sled. Ronin with honor infused into life, where you lose your honor, dignity and word, you live as a ghost inhabiting a void of the soulless.

Instinct, iron willpower, determination, with sustained and consistent pursuit of knowledge are the necessary tools for survival to navigate these dark days. The young look upon each one of us, and expect to see heroic fortitude that circumvents the malignancies that eat at their future and undermine their passion for life. Instead they see cowards, apologists and foppish excuse makers who dare attempt to assert authority over them and resent breeding further resentment and rebellion as a result. That rebellion which has been fomented by the designs of the criminal overlords who see family and unified neighborhoods as a direct threat to their agenda. As such, they now seek to take control of the education of our youth at the earliest age possible. This was of course facilitated by the forced necessity of both working-class parent's compelled to work in order to survive. This is economic warfare by design meant to keep us so focused on using our labor to generate capital for their coffers they use against us.

Pardon the digression, but everything is an interrelation of one sort or another. In this particular case, its relevancy is important due to the effects of the engineered degeneration of the family/tribal unit that is a threat to empire. Forums and blogs fill that role to a varying degree as they are virtual tribal communal circles, where ideas are discussed and refined, proxy bonds and resistance, at least on the outrage level, is forged. We as a people all want to belong in a functional, positive tribal unit that cares and for its young and wise elders in an environment of safety, and genuinely gratifying and progressive productivity. A tribe that establishes parameters of peace, prosperity, positive guidance and life fulfillment with the means of organization and cunning to defend against attack from concerted and organized forces of evil.

We must all ask ourselves one fundamental question.... Why are we here in this place, in this time, and what is the destiny our mothers have birthed us for? The crucible of life has forged us all to the path of excellence, not failure or an immiserated existence under the grimy boot of fascism.
"We Will Fight and Fight from This Generation to the Next" - Vietnamese People's Fighting Slogan
Freedom Undefended is Freedom Unearned!

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03-15-2007, 01:13 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
I was hoping you continued your essay. But it means to me that I have to take a little break, your eloquence exceeds my foreign language knowledge. But with the help of my fat dictionary I will understand what you wrote. Thank you very much, very appreciated.
I am my savior
03-21-2007, 08:35 AM,
Video Games...evil Or Not?
well we all know that Bono in a new age guru but while checking out the company iI might work for I noticed this.. Mcnamee is posing in front of the Illuminati pyramid symbol (he picture to the right)
Is it still ok to work for he company? Are they still not evil?
03-21-2007, 08:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-21-2007, 08:56 AM by Leathaface.)
Video Games...evil Or Not?
Quote:well we all know that Bono in a new age guru but while checking out the company iI might work for I noticed this.. Mcnamee is posing in front of the Illuminati pyramid symbol (he picture to the right)
Is it still ok to work for he company? Are they still not evil?

lol ha! thats funny

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