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There Is No Global Warming
04-03-2007, 06:12 PM,
#91
There Is No Global Warming
Quote:avery wrote:

When you mention scientists who are attempting to raise doubts about the credibility of global warming theories, be aware that these scientists are often supported by the petroleum industry.

Lies. Produce a shred of evidence to prove that any of the scientists in the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle have ties oil.

Many oil companies fund environmental groups.

If anything these scientists from the GW documentary are now retired and at liberty to tell the truth because they are frustrated by the scam.

Quote:Eventually fifty-two Nobel laureates, sixty-three national Medal of Science recipients, and 175 members of the National Academy of Sciences, along with thousands of others, signed the document.

It would be my estimation that these "honored" scientists were "recipients" of awards because they chose a point of view that the elitists want them to choose.

Global Warming is less about science in my view and more about politics. In which case you are still stuck on the political side. I'm looking at the science from both sides, and The Great Global Warming Swindle is a rarely seen/heard side of the debate and it's very convincing and logical.
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04-04-2007, 01:31 AM,
#92
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Avery disappeared pretty quickly. Wonder why he can't prove anything?

Oh yea and AL GORE is up for a nobel peace prize. I rest my case.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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04-04-2007, 02:22 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-04-2007, 02:25 AM by rockclimber.)
#93
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Quote:Avery disappeared pretty quickly. Wonder why he can't prove anything?

Oh yea and AL GORE is up for a nobel peace prize. I rest my case.

Yeah he's probably part of the GW protection team and AB too. The theory is so bad they now call it climate change. Just like the NWO became globalism. They re-invent the name when it's loses favor with the public.
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04-10-2007, 03:26 AM,
#94
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avery's a girl. =) i know her in real life. she's busy..and i'll ask her about it on wednesday if i see her in class.
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04-10-2007, 04:01 PM,
#95
There Is No Global Warming
id make out with her if she wanted to.
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04-10-2007, 10:21 PM,
#96
There Is No Global Warming
Quote:avery's a girl. =) i know her in real life. she's busy..and i'll ask her about it on wednesday if i see her in class.


Whoops, sorry dear lady Avery.
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04-12-2007, 01:21 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-12-2007, 01:22 PM by zendai.)
#97
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I really do believe that pollution is screwing the planet in various ways you don't have to be a scientist to see that but I saw a documentry that really suprised me. It had one bit of evidence presented by the guy who was the first person to bring up the issue of the ozone layer being depleted. He showed a graph which basically showed global warming and Co2, both rising. However the Co2 was rising AFTER the increase in warmth. I mean you could see from the graph that Co2 followed the heat rather than the other way around. I was really shocked by that, what's the explanation?

I recycle most of my stuff, I live a fairly green lifestyle based on it seeming to make sense and do believe we are doing damage to the planet but I can't get that graph out of my head. It was on a documentry called something like the global warming swindle broadcast on UK tv. If Co2 causes global warming why does it appear to get warmer and then Co2 rises? From the documentry it seemed to be saying that the world gets warmer like this at various points due to flares on the sun and that extra heat causes plankton blooms which contribute to the Co2.

I've got no issue to prove and I'm no scientist but I'd be really grateful if someone can explain this for me in simple terms because it seems a more likely explanation. Actually, I was fairly convinced before all the politicians jumped on it with such enthusiasm, a sign of the times maybe.
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04-12-2007, 01:59 PM,
#98
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there is no simple explanation. Earth's atmosphere is a very complex system that interacts with the very complex ocean system and is influenced by the quite unknown nature of our sun. Look at the weather forecast. The weather forecast is more or less accurate for the next few hours, not more.

There is a warming tendency in the northern hemisphere (so it's not a global warming, it's a northern warming), and it is also true that the human influence to this warming tendency is there, although I would say that this human influence is below 1%, therefore negligible.

So we can do not much (actually nothing) to stop the warming of the northern hemisphere. But it is still a good idea not to depend on burning fossil fuel, not to use too much plastic, etc. But leading a green lifestyle must not lead into being brainwashed. There's no problem with using our cars, machines and other means for our daily life.
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04-12-2007, 09:24 PM,
#99
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Quote:there is no simple explanation. Earth's atmosphere is a very complex system that interacts with the very complex ocean system and is influenced by the quite unknown nature of our sun. Look at the weather forecast. The weather forecast is more or less accurate for the next few hours, not more.

There is a warming tendency in the northern hemisphere (so it's not a global warming, it's a northern warming), and it is also true that the human influence to this warming tendency is there, although I would say that this human influence is below 1%, therefore negligible.

So we can do not much (actually nothing) to stop the warming of the northern hemisphere. But it is still a good idea not to depend on burning fossil fuel, not to use too much plastic, etc. But leading a green lifestyle must not lead into being brainwashed. There's no problem with using our cars, machines and other means for our daily life.

Nice post as always Phil. Short, sweet and concise answer.
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04-12-2007, 09:29 PM,
There Is No Global Warming
Quote:I really do believe that pollution is screwing the planet in various ways you don't have to be a scientist to see that but I saw a documentry that really suprised me. It had one bit of evidence presented by the guy who was the first person to bring up the issue of the ozone layer being depleted. He showed a graph which basically showed global warming and Co2, both rising. However the Co2 was rising AFTER the increase in warmth. I mean you could see from the graph that Co2 followed the heat rather than the other way around. I was really shocked by that, what's the explanation?

I recycle most of my stuff, I live a fairly green lifestyle based on it seeming to make sense and do believe we are doing damage to the planet but I can't get that graph out of my head. It was on a documentry called something like the global warming swindle broadcast on UK tv. If Co2 causes global warming why does it appear to get warmer and then Co2 rises? From the documentry it seemed to be saying that the world gets warmer like this at various points due to flares on the sun and that extra heat causes plankton blooms which contribute to the Co2.

I've got no issue to prove and I'm no scientist but I'd be really grateful if someone can explain this for me in simple terms because it seems a more likely explanation. Actually, I was fairly convinced before all the politicians jumped on it with such enthusiasm, a sign of the times maybe.

At the very least your really thinking these things through and not just accepting it because some "official" or "authority" said so. As you have witnessed there are two sides to the GW story. I thought I heard recently (perhaps on AJs show) that there the majority of the scientific community does not support the GW theory.

As you mentioned though, CO2 lags behind temperature, however, Al Gore tells us just the opposite. And I don't trust a non-scientist squirmy politician with an agenda to do the thinking for me. If anything, because he said it gives me more reason to find out the real truth. ;)
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04-13-2007, 02:04 PM,
There Is No Global Warming
I think one of the main reasons I didn't just blindly accept it must be true is that I lived through the time (not that long ago) when we were told with absolute certainty that an ice age was about to hit, for the same reasons. In fact I recognise some of the same scientific institutions and even some of the same people on my telly stating an entirely opposite theory with utter certainty.

Another thing that really made me think is I have friend who is a biologist. You can get funding for just about any project that involves global warming in any way whatsoever but if you want to do a study that doesn't involve global warming you can go whistle for your money. Scientists have to earn a crust too and like many other people she's simply added "and the effects of global warming" onto whatever she works on to ensure she gets paid. I'm not saying she's dishonest or that she makes anything up but she did make it clear that without some nod towards that theory it's almost impossible to do any real science. When I was at school the first thing I learnt in science was that you had to be objective and not start with the answer, though it seems things have changed a bit these days.

Oh yeah and definitely when a politician is keen on something you have to wonder why, they have no objective truth to seek out and tend to be willing to say anything for their own benefit.
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06-13-2007, 10:37 AM,
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Quote:there is no simple explanation. Earth's atmosphere is a very complex system that interacts with the very complex ocean system and is influenced by the quite unknown nature of our sun. Look at the weather forecast. The weather forecast is more or less accurate for the next few hours, not more.

There is a warming tendency in the northern hemisphere (so it's not a global warming, it's a northern warming), and it is also true that the human influence to this warming tendency is there, although I would say that this human influence is below 1%, therefore negligible.

So we can do not much (actually nothing) to stop the warming of the northern hemisphere. But it is still a good idea not to depend on burning fossil fuel, not to use too much plastic, etc. But leading a green lifestyle must not lead into being brainwashed. There's no problem with using our cars, machines and other means for our daily life.

i agree and disagree...

i think there are many wrong things with using our modern machinery. it DOES harm the planet one way or
another. Fuck global warming, it's happening and you're right, there's nothing to do to stop it, it's out of our
hands - it's natural and shit like this happens. The point being, we don't need global warming to turn our
planet into a radioactive and/or lifeless ruin. We DO harm the atmosphere (not so much in the "global warming
sense", but we do), we poison the water, rip out thousands and thousands of acres of MUCH NEEDED trees
from forests, and in the process destroy other forms of life that depend on them. Sure we don't care much
for the animals now (i personally do) but it's eventually going to catch up to us. Trying to turn this around
and make it so black and white to say "it's just about the lie of global warming" is so ignorant. WE ARE
destroying the planet...maybe not heating up...but we are destroying it...and if you can't see that, you're
fucking blind. The whole "don't feel guilty for polluting the planet" mentality is so damn ignorant.

We CAN create better machinery from using natural elements of earth without negative consequences.
Oil...sure it works...but it can also kill all sorts of forms of life in all it's ways - leave it where it is, under the fucking ground!
Point being, don't just sit there and say it's all ok if we do all of these things to our planet just because you
feel comfortable with your lifestyle that you don't really care to think how we're harming the planet...wake up.
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06-13-2007, 03:08 PM,
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Quote:The whole "don't feel guilty for polluting the planet" mentality is so damn ignorant.

That's not the point. What global warming does is distracts people from all the real environmental problems. It has become the main focal point of any type of green incentive. While people and governments are bickering about GW, the rainforest is disappearing, fresh water is being depleted, and the amounts of carcinogens in our air is sky rocketing.

The other point is, we shouldn't be giving up our freedom to control something that can't be controlled. Most of the solutions I hear don't start on the "me" level. Everyone wants governments and the U.N. to step in because they can't control themselves and they want others controlled too. It's all just wrong.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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06-13-2007, 04:51 PM,
There Is No Global Warming
George Carlin sums it up quite nicely:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IET1uKHPqc8
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06-26-2007, 01:12 PM,
There Is No Global Warming
"The fact remains that in a sample of 928 peer-reviewed scientific papers published between 1993-2003 not one disagreed with the consensus position that human activity is causing climate change."

"Moreover, while the programme-makers labelled the source of their world temperature data as 'NASA', the Independent found no such graph existed."

(We feel swindled. Indeed we are not the only ones: Carl Wunsch (who was a surprise addition to the cast) was apparently misled into thinking this was going to be a balanced look at the issues (the producers have a history of doing this), but who found himself put into a very different context indeed.)

Prof Wunsch's complaint is that the documentary is no more than propaganda. "I was misled as to what it was going to be about," he now says. "I was told about six months ago that this was to be a programme about how complicated it is to understand what is going on. If they had told me even the title of the programme, I would have absolutely refused to be on it."

"In October 1998 a television producer named Martin Durkin took a proposal to the BBC’s science series, Horizon. Silicone breast implants, he claimed, far from harming women, were in fact beneficial, reducing the risk of breast cancer. Horizon commissioned a researcher to find out whether or not his assertion was true. After a thorough review, the researcher reported that Mr Durkin had ignored a powerful body of evidence contradicting his claims. Martin Durkin withdrew his proposal. Instead of dropping it, however, he took it to Channel 4 and, astonishingly, sold it to their science series, Equinox."

"Mr Durkin has often been accused of taking liberties with the facts. In 1997 he made a series for Channel 4 called “Against Nature”, which compared environmentalists with Nazis, conspiring against the world’s poor. No one would suggest that green claims should not be subjected to critical examination, but the people he interviewed were lied to about the contents of the programmes and given no chance to respond to the accusations the series made."

http://www.durangobill.com/Swindle_Swindle.html
http://www.medialens.org/alerts/07/0313pur...paganda_the.php
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=5130&p=2
http://reasic.com/2007/03/06/the-great-glo...arming-swindle/
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2000/03/16/modified-truth/
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