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There Is No Global Warming
03-27-2007, 09:46 PM,
#76
There Is No Global Warming
What is intellekt the resident punching bag now? He has the right to believe global warming is caused by cars. My only complaint with you Intellekt is that you won't even bother to look into the other side of the story. But hey ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. I think you're smart enough to know that there are 2 sides to every story, why not cure your ignorance on the subject matter by actually watching the Great Global Warming Swindle. Then you'll have an idea of what exactly we're talking about. It's hard not to get mad at you Intellekt because you are refusing to cure your ignorance (which by the way your ignorance isn't that you believe in global warming but rather that you refuse to look into the facts from those who don't think it's caused by co2) which makes you effectually stupid.
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03-27-2007, 11:26 PM,
#77
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You stated the following:
"Well than avery, how about you post up that information for us? You seem to like rhetoric, but you are ambiguous in your attacks. Just because you say "Most scientists against global warming are in Big Oils backpocket" doesn't make that statement true and it certainly doesn't prove that the scientists quoted in this thread are involved with Big Oil."

As a matter of fact, I do like rhetoric, but I like facts even more. Facts are definitely lacking in your post, and you should have used the phrase, "Well then" not "Well than."

UCS, a non-profit organisation based in Cambridge, Massachusetts, has published a 68-page report accusing ExxonMobil of exaggerating uncertainties over the causes of global warming. UCS says ExxonMobil has done this by funding 43 bodies critical of claims of climate change, such as Frontiers of Freedom based in Washington DC, in the apparent expectation that these groups will propagate disinformation about global warming even when what they are publicising has been shown to be wrong. "They gave life to views discredited by the scientific community," says the report's main author, Seth Shulman. "Not a penny should be spent on this."

In fact the petroleum industry has spent rather more than a penny -- ExxonMobil, for example, spent some $16 million between 1998 and 2005, according to the report. In 1998 ExxonMobil-sponsored organisations promoted a report that said carbon dioxide emissions posed no warming threat. The report was authored by, amongst others, Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist affiliated with at least nine ExxonMobil-funded groups. In 2003 Baliunas published a review paper in Climate Research (vol 23, p 89) claiming that the climate had not changed significantly in the past millennium. Her conclusions were challenged by 13 of the scientists whose work she cited, but ExxonMobil-funded groups have continued to promote it.

Here is an article on the same subject. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0615-07.htm

You also stated the following:
Also I think there has been enough evidence shown in this thread to say that Global Warming advocates are just as entrenched with the Left and Democrats as non-GW scientists are with the right."

If a party is telling the truth about Global Warming, then what is the problem. If a party is dismantling the words of scientists (Current Administration) in order to make Global Warming appear less dire, we have a big problem.
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03-27-2007, 11:39 PM,
#78
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[quote name='harflimon' date='Mar 27 2007, 03:04 AM' post='57604']

P.S. Why would the religious right be against Global Warming? Don't they want an apocalyptic future to prove their prophecies of Revelations?

I think you do not understand that the current administration plays to both big business and the religious right. Of course, the religious right believes in a "second coming." I hope they begin to wake up and realize that what we need is a better educated U.S. population. Several churches are reforming their stance against the Global Warming theory.

I read widely and refer mostly to academic, scientific journals that can not be found on the Internet, but since this is an Internet forum, I am referring to a few Internet sites.

Here is an article that links both parties.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2612021&page=1
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03-28-2007, 02:25 AM,
#79
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Quote:What is intellekt the resident punching bag now? He has the right to believe global warming is caused by cars.

No he's not, however I know that I and many others get very frustrated with his tunnel vision and closed mind.
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03-28-2007, 02:27 AM,
#80
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Quote:Why does nobody remember the coming ice age of the 70's?

I do. That's part of the reason I don't by into this hoax with a political end.
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03-28-2007, 02:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-28-2007, 02:31 AM by harflimon.)
#81
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oops
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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03-28-2007, 02:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-28-2007, 02:34 AM by harflimon.)
#82
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I think you do not understand that the current administration plays to it's own tune and forms the opinions of these groups around it.

But this thread isn't really about the politicization of Global Warming. So can you give me a brief overview of these academic studies that prove global warming is man-made? Is there any unbiased undeniable proof that Global warming is a man-made event that will bring destruction to our planet and not just opinions of "Nobel winning scientists".

You see there are quite a few good reasons for us to stop polluting. But we shouldn't be focusing on CO2/Greenhouse gases, which are barely even a factor. And global warming should be recognized as something that will happen whether we stop polluting or not, so we as a society need to get ready for it.

The types of pollution we should be worried about are the types that are most contributed by Industry and not by Individuals. Also the deforestation issue is something much larger than Global Warming.

Edit: Also I UNDERSTAND that there are scientists being funded by Exxon. The problem is, what if they are right? Let's look at the science of the issue. Give me something that proves Global Warming. This debate isn't going to go anywhere until you decide to stop talking the talk and showing something. Trust me, I'm willing to be wrong. You aren't giving me that option. You're just dancing around the issue and worrying about whether I spelled THAN correctly in the right place.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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03-28-2007, 02:42 AM,
#83
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Quote:What is intellekt the resident punching bag now? He has the right to believe global warming is caused by cars. My only complaint with you Intellekt is that you won't even bother to look into the other side of the story. But hey ignorance is curable, stupidity is not. I think you're smart enough to know that there are 2 sides to every story, why not cure your ignorance on the subject matter by actually watching the Great Global Warming Swindle. Then you'll have an idea of what exactly we're talking about. It's hard not to get mad at you Intellekt because you are refusing to cure your ignorance (which by the way your ignorance isn't that you believe in global warming but rather that you refuse to look into the facts from those who don't think it's caused by co2) which makes you effectually stupid.

He did watch it. Read his posts in this thread, he said so in one of them. He still thinks humans are the main cause of global warming and that it's something besides CO2.

It's hard to not get mad at him, because he doesn't back up anything he says. He just says shit and expects you to both believe him and understand his point of view.

It's not like he (or anyone else in this thread) have given any proof for how humans have caused global warming. His stance seems to be that since humans pollute it is "common sense" that we are the reason for global warming.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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03-28-2007, 04:21 AM,
#84
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Quote:Edit: Also I UNDERSTAND that there are scientists being funded by Exxon.
sure, me also. But these (the oil industry) are the "old" bad guys. We face now the "new" bad guys, disguised in environmental-caring heroes, talking nonsense about CO2-neutral nuclear energy. And look at the anti-global-warming demonstrations from the people. It's ridiculous. I've written about some of my observations about the mislead people in such "ecoterrorism" movements.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?sh...=global+warming
I am my savior
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03-29-2007, 06:59 AM,
#85
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Hm..Scientists say global cooling one generation...then global warming...then global cooling..and now global warming again? it sounds to me like the scientists aren't using their sciences correctly..

What about all of the nuclear bombs that were set off over the past 60 years? Does anyone know the effects of those on the atmosphere? Or what about the HAARP rays sent into the atmosphere? I think that superheating the ionosphere would probably have more of an effect than any technology given to the masses.
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03-29-2007, 01:11 PM,
#86
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Are there any 'Oil Barons' who have there foot in the central banks, for example "Federal Reserve", "Bank of England". Who are owed money and its interest by the Government. And are paid via the peoples taxes.

Just a thought, because wouldn't they benefit from the Government introducing new taxes and fines, as some of that money goes towards paying them back. And also, wouldn't they benefit from charging higher prices for oil because of GW. Furthermore since large quantities of oil are used for the growing plastics industry, will they really lose any money if people use their car less?

So can these 'Oil Barons' benefit this GW via CO2 idea?
I'm lumping together various information concerning law (the illusion of control through words) here: http://honesty.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=59
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03-31-2007, 06:14 AM,
#87
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Quote:Buy this man a beer! Nooo Buy him a whole brewery!
well said monkeywrencher :smile:

i'm glad someone pays attention to what i have to say on here..=T
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03-31-2007, 06:02 PM,
#88
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my 2 cents:
humans pollute the earth.
the sun warms it.

i've read how were are shifing the vernal equinox, moving out of the age of aquarius (water) and into the age of the sun. i believe it's even the chinese or japanese calendar is moving in to their age of the dragon or something related to fire. as we move the planet will get warmer, but it's because of changes in our solar system, not because of people.

i do believe humans contribute, i mean, how could 5 billion people burning fossle fuels daily not create heat energy, but the planet is so large and hot air or heat rises. once you get to a high enough altitude, as any pilot or astronaut could tell you, you're talking ice cold. if the planet got warm enough surely the rising of heat would accelerate and still, because of the vast size, it would cool in the upper atmosphere. the planet also moves between day and night, so each area has roughly a 12 hour cooling period where it is dark and the sun isn't hitting it.

at any rate, i believe the answers lie in studies on the solar system and even the galaxy as a whole, not studies focused in on earth. i believe there is a much bigger picture behind global warming and the occultic / astrological and symbolism freaks who are running the show know what's up, they're just trying to take advantage of the issue and put a tax on it.

i agree with the author, mostly. there is definately a shift in the seasons, winter comes later now and doesn't last as long, but i've come to believe this is a natural occurance, part of a much larger cycle than most people have ever noticed.
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03-31-2007, 08:31 PM,
#89
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Quote:my 2 cents:
humans pollute the earth.
the sun warms it.

i've read how were are shifing the vernal equinox, moving out of the age of aquarius (water) and into the age of the sun. i believe it's even the chinese or japanese calendar is moving in to their age of the dragon or something related to fire. as we move the planet will get warmer, but it's because of changes in our solar system, not because of people.

i do believe humans contribute, i mean, how could 5 billion people burning fossle fuels daily not create heat energy, but the planet is so large and hot air or heat rises. once you get to a high enough altitude, as any pilot or astronaut could tell you, you're talking ice cold. if the planet got warm enough surely the rising of heat would accelerate and still, because of the vast size, it would cool in the upper atmosphere. the planet also moves between day and night, so each area has roughly a 12 hour cooling period where it is dark and the sun isn't hitting it.

at any rate, i believe the answers lie in studies on the solar system and even the galaxy as a whole, not studies focused in on earth. i believe there is a much bigger picture behind global warming and the occultic / astrological and symbolism freaks who are running the show know what's up, they're just trying to take advantage of the issue and put a tax on it.

i agree with the author, mostly. there is definately a shift in the seasons, winter comes later now and doesn't last as long, but i've come to believe this is a natural occurance, part of a much larger cycle than most people have ever noticed.

hmm..what information do you have to base your theory on? i'd like to look at it:). i like the thoughts you express. keep in touch.
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04-03-2007, 01:13 PM,
#90
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all the air on earth has over the last 100 years gone through internal combustion engines 7 times.the biosystem is a good filter otherwise what we breathe would be much worse than it is.the sun will do what it does but it is protecting the properties of this filter that is not being addressed by taxing carbon perhaps the reverse,,,,,ie.more co2 better filter.i can drink more water and sweat more and not go out in the mid day sun but i got to breathe.i do remember the ice age cometh stuff and have posted here links prevously to 1800`s era coments about warming predictions (the yea old sensationalism being elequent at least )
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