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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
03-27-2007, 06:13 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Ans ; The Christian will answer '' No '' God '' doesn't need anything .
Ques ; If God does not need Material Wealth , then why does The God Of TheBible ask for Tithes ?
According to Leviticus 27 ; 32 , The God of The Bible requires a Tithe of The Herd , Flock . and whatsoever passeth under The Rod .
Leviticus 27 ; 32 <> And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
The word '' Tithe '' In Aramic ( Hebrew ) is Ma'asrah meaning '' Tenth '' So The God Of Your '' Holy '' Bible requires A Tenth of the herd and flock . The God Of The '' Holy '' Bible need to receive A Tenth of everything that he himself . Created ? Are You Saying GodNeeds < The Children Of Israel's Inheritance .. >
Number 18 ; 26 <> Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
The God Of The Biblewants offerings of corn , wine , oil , herd and flock , So that you will learn to Fear Him . Fear him because he is taking your wealth from You ? Is this the same kind of fear that a small boy would feel when a bigger boy in school steals his lunch so often that he makes yopu give part of your lunch to him everytime you get lunch ?
Deuteronomy 14 ; 22 - 23 <>Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
14:23And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Nehemiah 13 ; 12 <> Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries
God also accept Material Wealth in the form of offering as in Genesis 4 ; 3 - 4 When Cain And Abel brought an offering Unto The Lord ;...
Genesis 4 ; 3 - 4 <>And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
4:4And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:The word used in Aramic ( Hebrew ) for '' Offering '' is Minchah meaning Donation , Gift , Present ( Meat ) Offering , Sacrifice . '' The God Of The Bible Wants Offering Of Mint And Anise And Cummin ;..
Matthew 23 ; 23 <> Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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03-27-2007, 06:13 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
The God Of The Bible Wants Offering Of Mint And Rue And All Manner Of Herbs .
Luke 11 ; 42 <> But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone
And according to Hebrew Chapter 7 Abraham gave A Tenth of his Wealth to Melchisedec who according to Hebrew 7 ; 3 , Had Neither Mother Nor Father , No Birth Or Death , Nor Descent . And For You Innovating Priests , Minister , Reverends, Preachers , Deacons , Elders And Other Religious Leaders, When It Says In Hebrew 7 ; 3 That Melchisedec Had Neither Beginning Of Days , Nor End Of Life , It Is Not Saying That The Recorder Of Hebrew 7 ; 3 Didn't Know When He Was Born Or When He Died Or Who He Descended From .
Hebrew 7 ; 2 <> To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Hebrew 7 ; 4 <> Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Ques ; What Could God Possibly Do With All , Of These Material Things He Receives In Tithest ?
According to 2Chronicles 31 ; 5 - 6 The Children Of Isreal Were Told To Put The Tithes Offering In Heaps .
2Chronicles 31 ; 5 - 6 <> And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
31:6And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps
And They Were Told That The Tithes Would Be Stored In A Treasure House In ...
Nehemiah 10 ; 38 <> And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
Ques ; Why Does God Want Offering Of Anything When According To The Bible , He Was The Creator Of The Fruith And Flock And Everything Else ?
In Genesis 1 ; 11 - 12 , 25 God Declares That He Created The Fruit , The Herb , And The Flock ..
Genesis 1 ; 11 - 12 , 25 <> And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
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03-27-2007, 06:14 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
1:12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
So If God Did All These Things , Why Would He Even Want Offering Of Things Like Food , Land And Inheritance ?
Ques ; Why Would The God Of The Bible Ask For Offerings Of Material Things That Are Simply Going To Be Stored In A Treasure House ( Nehemaih 10 ; 38 ) . When There Are Millions Of Hungry People That Can Use The Food That Must Have Been Rotting And Going To Waste ?
With all of the Food and Wealth that was offered for Tithes and just went to Waste , Couldn't God have just Fed The Hungry or Gave Shelter To The Homeless . Even in these days and times The So - Called Leaders Of Gods '' Holy '' Church That Is Your Preachers , Ministers , Pastors , Decons, Reverends, Imaams , Or Popes , Collect Tithes And Offerngs To Supposedly Support The Church , Saying That It Is For God . In The Mean Time , These Same So - Called Leaders And Driving Around In Expensive Cars , Wearing Expensive Suits And Jewelry , Living In Huge Houses While The Average Member Of Their Congregation Is Shouting For The Lord And Doesn't Have These Luxuries . While People , On A Daily Basis , Are Living On The Street With No Food , Clothing Or Any Of The Necessities . Why Would God Allow All Of These Things To Go On ? In Your Churches The Preachers , Ministers , Pastors , Decons, Reverends, Imaams , Or Popes , And Any Other Leader Of The Church Accept Tithes In The Name Of God . They'll Say Things Like ... God Needs Your Help In Bulding The Church ... They'll Use Excuses Like They Are .. Trying To Build God's Church .. Or ... God's Word Must Be Kept Alive Through Tithing ... These So - Called Church Leader Will Claim That They Are Doing God's Work . What Would God Need With A Quarter Here A Dollar There ? What Does God Need With An All Glass Church Costing An Estimated 18 Million Dollars ?
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03-27-2007, 06:15 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Nothing . But A Man Named Robert Shuler . Peaches Sermons From This Church On His Own Land . These Are The Same So - Called Church Leaders That You Will Find Riding Aroundn In Fancy Cars , Eating The Best Foods , Living In Expensive Homes And Living The Life Of Wealthy People While Their Followers Or Congregation Scrape And Struggle To Do '' God '' Will '' By Tithing . And These Same So - Called Church Leaders Will Lead Their Congregation In The Worse Of The Worse Neighborhoods And On Their Way To Church To Preach On Sundays Or Saturday Or Whatever Day They Declare To Be The Sabbath . They Will Step Over The Homeless Or The Lee Fortunate .
Ques ; Why Do Christian Collect Money , Hold Raffles And Have Bingo Night In Church , When According To Matthew 21 ; 12 Yashua , Turned Over Tables In The Temples For People Gambling And Selling ?
Matthew 21 ; 12 <> And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
Yashu'a Never Took From His Congregation , He Never Passed Around A Basket Or Tray To Receive Pledges And Donations At The Of Each Sermon . He Never Asked For Payment . Nor Did He Ever Tell His Disciple To Accept Money For Their Assistance As Found In Matthew 10 ; 8 - 10 ..
Matthew 10 ; 8 - 10 <> Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
10:9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10:10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
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03-28-2007, 05:33 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Dude, you need to seriously reconsider being a Christian.
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03-28-2007, 06:33 AM,
#6
Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Luckily for me I am not a child of Israel, nor does anything of mine pass under a Rod.

Rod:LOL:

Frank Zappa - Heavenly Bank Account Lyrics


"And if these words you do not heed
Your pocket book just kinda might recede
When some man comes along and claims a godly need
He will clean you out right through your tweed

That's right, remember there is a big difference between
kneeling down and bending over...

He's got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account.. .
All from those chumps who was
Born again
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got seven limousines
And a private plane...
All for use of his
Special Friends
Oh yeah, oh yeah
He's got thousand-dollar suits
And a Wembley Tie...
Girls love to stroke it
While he's on the phone
Oh yeah, oh yeah
At the House of Representatives
He's a groovy guy. . .
When he Gives Thanks He is not alone. . .

He is dealin'
He is really dealin' IRS can't determine
Where The Hook is
It is easy with the Bible
To pretend that
You're in Show Biz
They won't get him
They will never get him
For the naughty stuff
That he did
It is best in cases like this
To pretend that
You are stupid

He's got Presidential Help
All along the way
He says the grace
While the lawyers chew
Oh yeah
They sure do
And the Governors agree to say: "He's a lovely man!"
He makes it easier for
Them to screw
All of you...
Yes, that's true!
'Cause he helps put
The Fear of God
In the Common Man
Snatchin' up money
Everywhere he can
Oh yeah Oh yeah
He's got twenty million dollars
In his Heavenly Bank Account
You ain't got nothin', people
Tax the Church
You ain't got nothin', people
Tax the Church
You ain't got nothin', people
Thank the man.. .oh yeah"


MMM
Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum.
- Darwi Odrade
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03-28-2007, 07:06 AM,
#7
Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Words of wisdom from the elder Zappa. :cool:

I can't read posts from Utnafishtim...I'm allergic to :spam2:
I might even agree with some of it, but I don't know as it hurts my eyes trying to decipher this cyber-scrawl.

Besides, I get creeped out when folks only use bible verses to prove their points. Like I'm in some kind of Bible thumping Zombie movie and I have to destroy the brain to stop the flow of scripture rhetoric from their undead mouths. Nothing like basing flawed logic on a flawed book...
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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03-29-2007, 02:17 AM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:Words of wisdom from the elder Zappa. :cool:

I can't read posts from Utnafishtim...I'm allergic to :spam2:
I might even agree with some of it, but I don't know as it hurts my eyes trying to decipher this cyber-scrawl.

Besides, I get creeped out when folks only use bible verses to prove their points. Like I'm in some kind of Bible thumping Zombie movie and I have to destroy the brain to stop the flow of scripture rhetoric from their undead mouths. Nothing like basing flawed logic on a flawed book...


Cyber-Scrawl indeed!

Utnafishtim you've really got to gotta make these posts more legible and dispense with the rhetorical questions. Trying to read through the jumble is less fun than removing pubic hair from my testicles one at a time with a pair of tweezers.

Wouldn't it be easier if you said "Heres a list of 1000 questions, now read the Bible and have them answered."


MMM
Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum.
- Darwi Odrade
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03-29-2007, 02:56 AM,
#9
Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:Words of wisdom from the elder Zappa. :cool:

I can't read posts from Utnafishtim...I'm allergic to :spam2:
I might even agree with some of it, but I don't know as it hurts my eyes trying to decipher this cyber-scrawl.

Besides, I get creeped out when folks only use bible verses to prove their points. Like I'm in some kind of Bible thumping Zombie movie and I have to destroy the brain to stop the flow of scripture rhetoric from their undead mouths. Nothing like basing flawed logic on a flawed book...

yeah, ditto

i'm sure you've got some good ideas but it's like page after page. you see a post and think that's a busy thread - and bugger me if it isn't reams and reams of biblical quotes!

i wouldn't know where to start even responding and nor do i have the time. i suspect i'm not alone in this.

you know less is sometimes more, don't try and overwhelm people, give them a little bit and hope they hunger for more. although i still suspect you'll struggle if your going to throw the bible around. if i want that i'll go see the Jehovah's Witnesses.


here's a gospel message that does not often get quoted:

Jesus said: Woe to the Pharisees. Like a dog dozing in a food trough for cattle, they neither eat nor let the cattle eat.

from the Gospel of Thomas - one the Romans preferred to burn.

big hugs,
Vitam Impendere Vero
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03-31-2007, 02:55 PM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:
Quote:Words of wisdom from the elder Zappa. :cool:

I can't read posts from Utnafishtim...I'm allergic to :spam2:
I might even agree with some of it, but I don't know as it hurts my eyes trying to decipher this cyber-scrawl.

Besides, I get creeped out when folks only use bible verses to prove their points. Like I'm in some kind of Bible thumping Zombie movie and I have to destroy the brain to stop the flow of scripture rhetoric from their undead mouths. Nothing like basing flawed logic on a flawed book...

yeah, ditto

i'm sure you've got some good ideas but it's like page after page. you see a post and think that's a busy thread - and bugger me if it isn't reams and reams of biblical quotes!

i wouldn't know where to start even responding and nor do i have the time. i suspect i'm not alone in this.

you know less is sometimes more, don't try and overwhelm people, give them a little bit and hope they hunger for more. although i still suspect you'll struggle if your going to throw the bible around. if i want that i'll go see the Jehovah's Witnesses.


here's a gospel message that does not often get quoted:

Jesus said: Woe to the Pharisees. Like a dog dozing in a food trough for cattle, they neither eat nor let the cattle eat.

from the Gospel of Thomas - one the Romans preferred to burn.

big hugs,




One would think I'm holding a Gun on ( Yall ) making you read my post . It's ok not to read them ok
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03-31-2007, 03:10 PM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:One would think I'm holding a Gun on ( Yall ) making you read my post . It's ok not to read them ok
wasn't meaning to be rude man, just trying to offer another perspective
Vitam Impendere Vero
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03-31-2007, 03:22 PM,
#12
Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:
Quote:One would think I'm holding a Gun on ( Yall ) making you read my post . It's ok not to read them ok
wasn't meaning to be rude man, just trying to offer another perspective




OverStand something if you can I never take what people say personal . Because their always someone who going tell others how to write their post . My post aren't hard to read if one take the time to read them some people can't deal with this type of knowldge because it's wayyyyyyyyy over their head , then you have those who have to find something native to say but hey it nobigthing . It's to be expected . Not pointing the finger at you .
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03-31-2007, 09:51 PM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:OverStand something if you can I never take what people say personal . Because their always someone who going tell others how to write their post . My post aren't hard to read if one take the time to read them some people can't deal with this type of knowldge because it's wayyyyyyyyy over their head , then you have those who have to find something native to say but hey it nobigthing . It's to be expected . Not pointing the finger at you .

absolutely! none of my business how you write your posts - but you are very prolific and i never seem to find enough time in the day for anything - let alone, catching up on Concen.

it's also true, that in today's age people want bite size chunks - something snappy, a quick fix. that's not a great frame of mind with which to approach any serious work (please note, that is not defence of it - i am as exasperated as anyone by it) - good luck anyway,
Vitam Impendere Vero
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04-04-2007, 09:57 PM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
Quote:
Quote:OverStand something if you can I never take what people say personal . Because their always someone who going tell others how to write their post . My post aren't hard to read if one take the time to read them some people can't deal with this type of knowldge because it's wayyyyyyyyy over their head , then you have those who have to find something native to say but hey it nobigthing . It's to be expected . Not pointing the finger at you .

absolutely! none of my business how you write your posts - but you are very prolific and i never seem to find enough time in the day for anything - let alone, catching up on Concen.

it's also true, that in today's age people want bite size chunks - something snappy, a quick fix. that's not a great frame of mind with which to approach any serious work (please note, that is not defence of it - i am as exasperated as anyone by it) - good luck anyway,


O-Well
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04-14-2007, 07:16 PM,
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Does God Need Material Wealth ?
In the Occultist tradition, tithing is important to spread the message of truth and to support that movement to spread the truth. Those who cannot pay the tithes do not have to pay the tithes. But we need to sacrifice ourselves for humanity if we wish to truly succeed in life. If life is an illusion and all desires are illusory, then money must be illusory as well. We do not need all of this wealth and flagrant materialism. Therefore to have some of one's money going to the "Church" is alright, as long as it does not interfere with the livelihood of an individual. These organizations need money to help spread their doctrine and their message, so it is only fitting that some of the member's money to it. Especially if it is the most important thing in one's life.
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