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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
04-01-2007, 01:37 AM,
#31
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Hmm...

http://watch.pair.com/cutting-edge.html

Reading the above link might be instructive. To be honest, I could not make heads or tails of the discussion.
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04-01-2007, 02:00 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-01-2007, 02:04 AM by Easy Skanking.)
#32
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:Hypocrite.

You are exercising the blind faith, which you accuse others of, in Manly Palmer Hall and other masonic authors.


Not at all...about this at aleast.
I do not exercise faith with regards to any of the topics we discuss here. I do not hold a dogmatic belief in anything of the sort.

I try to hold ideas as opposed to beliefs.

Ideas are easy to change but beliefs are tricky.

The opinion I express is entirely up for debate given some new form of evidence. The evidence I have found has led me to the idea, or theory, that I expressed above. If you have some other new evidence, I would be glad to check it out. Until I do encounter new data that points to a different conclusion, then this is the idea that I subscribe to....not believe in.

Now, mifune here, presents new evidence and doesn't stoop to pointless accusations. This, I will be sure to check out.

Regardless, the bible is a Christian Mythology at most and another system of control for the masses unlucky enough to be taken in by its Dogma.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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04-14-2007, 07:49 PM,
#33
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
If Hell were a place where people burned eternally for one mistake, where would the Justice be? The view of Hell as such is not only unfair, it is mistaken. Who's to say what is right and wrong? What about murder in the sake of self-defense or in the form of punishment?

The Bible is highly symbolic and metaphorical. Saying that "Hell is a place where sinners burn for eternity" is like saying that "Heaven is a place where good people float on clouds for eternity," both are just wrong. The Christian dogma today is adulterated, filthy nonsense full of hypocrites (Pharisees) and materialists (Sadducees).
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04-15-2007, 06:57 AM,
#34
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
thanks for clearing that up, the mentally ill will go to hell. organic portals? the lack of consience is a function of brain imbalance, the wires were crossed or not hooked up in early development........could be diet or lack of , or a number of genetic/enviormental factors.
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04-15-2007, 09:15 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-15-2007, 09:35 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#35
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:thanks for clearing that up, the mentally ill will go to hell. organic portals? the lack of consience is a function of brain imbalance, the wires were crossed or not hooked up in early development........could be diet or lack of , or a number of genetic/enviormental factors


Haha...

Satanists are born, not made---Anton LaVey. Taxons! Sorry, just not one species here. The taxons HAVE to be like GODS to themselves, they have no choice in that. Last time I checked psychopaths were the real movers and shakers in the world (read Snakes in a Suit). Mentally ill---rather they cause that in others. It is a character-personality disorder. They certainly do not have a problem with their orientation, it is their will to do whatever they damn well please.

Look I refuse to adopt ANY religion the NWO is shoving down everybodies throat, if they are into it, I am not.
ITS THE NEW SHIT--FINAL CHURCH--& DOGMA like any other. It was generated by them for you and it is programming. They gave LSD to THEIR ENEMIES...the 60s was AN EXPERIMENT IN SOCIAL ENGINEERING. Freaking all of it, so yeah its ALL like the Matrix, literally. Control didn't start yesterday, you believe what you believe because you were programmed to believe it. There is no NEW AGE that wasn't orchestrated by them.

So all you essentially have left to listen to is YOUR INSTINCTS of right and wrong. Nobody can put that in you or take that out of you. From there, pick your path. It is individual. And there are only two ultimately.

TPTB's stated goal is that noone wll enter the NWO without a Luciferic initiation. So guess what? I don't want to enter...that is me personally. Its only so they can blow you to smithereens in 2012 and say gotcha slave anyway. Fuck that transparent shit. Some just are not going to join the Devil's Rain party.

Look if the TAXONS want out so bad that they are willing to orchestrate a 2012 TOTALLY manmade production, you tell me what kind of person would follow those beliefs?
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04-17-2007, 07:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2007, 07:23 AM by FighterFromAfar.)
#36
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
What's ironic is that I agree with the spirit of what you say, about psychopaths and the New Age religion and the 60's experiment in social engineering being part of the NWO's plan. However, this New Age religion is only being introduced by the PTB because old time religion - which was also established by the control system - is being disproven by historical evidence.

However, I disagree when you speak of relying on your instincts alone. As far as I'm concerned, the only way to the truth is via the analytical process of sifting and sorting as much information as one can possibly read, in order to develop one's ability to understand reality in an objective manner.

The fact of the matter, is that when you give up your free will, the ability to decide for yourself and not believe the lies of the control system, you give up your intellectual awareness, and you are a de facto servant of that very control system.
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04-17-2007, 08:01 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2007, 08:10 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#37
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:What's ironic is that I agree with the spirit of what you say, about psychopaths and the New Age religion and the 60's experiment in social engineering being part of the NWO's plan. However, this New Age religion is only being introduced by the PTB because old time religion - which was also established by the control system - is being disproven by historical evidence.

However, I disagree when you speak of relying on your instincts alone. As far as I'm concerned, the only way to the truth is via the analytical process of sifting and sorting as much information as one can possibly read, in order to develop one's ability to understand reality in an objective manner.

The fact of the matter, is that when you give up your free will, the ability to decide for yourself and not believe the lies of the control system, you give up your intellectual awareness, and you are a de facto servant of that very control system.


Quote:However, this New Age religion is only being introduced by the PTB because old time religion - which was also established by the control system - is being disproven by historical evidence.

There is a vid in the Google Collection here if you're interested "Genesis 6", that is essentially the explanation which matches my own prolly the best of anything I could explain in this thread.

To me, curiousity is what propells my mind, lol. And to me curiousity is a fuction of instinct.

I started my spiritual voyage as early as I can remember - baby. By the time I was, say, 14 I was deeply influeced by Carlos Castanada. By the time I was 18 I was probably the first Dianic Wiccan in my state, lol----Budhism for years - I had a weird dream, really weird dream about the Green Tara dancing, steppes, being in Tibet, like I was REALLY in Tibet sort of dream. Deeply into Afro-Caribbean vodun, (Yemaya) - and yes, I could emerse in Atlantic water in January and not freeze and come out into the wind and not be cold, lol. and then a long stay with Hinduism and regretably didn't make a trip to India that I was invited on.

So, I am very far from closed-minded.

I am currently very interested in researching Djinn.

Yes, through EXPERIENCING directly a variety of experiences you may reach objectivity on matters of religion and spirituality.

Knowledge is something that finds people who love knowledge.
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04-17-2007, 05:14 PM,
#38
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
the Universe - God whatever you choose to call it must run on "Auto pilot". I'm sure there are dimensions of hell & heaven.
Tired of this body Pope? Want to go back a few generations, missing that mustache? Heil!
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04-18-2007, 10:40 AM,
#39
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:So, I am very far from closed-minded.

I will grant you that. I just think that you are still buying into a method of the control system when you think in terms of the "Christian" mythos of Heaven and Hell.

Quote:Yes, through EXPERIENCING directly a variety of experiences you may reach objectivity on matters of religion and spirituality.

There is no better experience than being forced into Catholicism for 20 years to help me see objectively. Not to mention my experience with Reiki, which does have profound healing effects, and cannot be explained in terms of Catholic/Christian doctrine.

But the seeking of knowledge helps us to know what has not yet been experienced, as well as the experiences of others, in order to avoid learning the hard way, like I did for 20 years.
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04-21-2007, 10:13 PM,
#40
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:so some people are born evil?

does this not mean God created them evil?

born evil without any hope of salvation? - why would God do that?

in my bible, Jesus tells me to"tun the other cheek", "judge not" and "take the log from my own eye"

i refuse to judge anything as evil, except my own ignorance



to my mind, faith and ignorance are the same thing

So if people are born evil I guess that means that the gOD yeah-way/jewhova is a sick fuck?

"Today I will make this foetus' soul evil and see how it runs amok and causes chaos on this oh so important planet out of the ENTIRE universe that I have created. Then I can send it to hell!"

Or perhaps the hole-y spirit was lacking and allowed satan to corrupt the foetus at birth, or perhaps the mother or father were of ill will and sin and these sins were to be punished by making the child pure evil. Or perhaps it was the father that was the sinner and the mother was virtuous but punished for consorting with a sinner or maybe it was the other way round.

Shall we all follow gods logic straight into the pit of hell?

All I can say is when you start trying to rationalize the irrational, madness is your only destination. Unless of course you take on faith that there must be some 'reason for it all.' Still you must then surround yourself with other people who believe likewise and everyone can live in the illusion of sanity within that particular reality bubble.


Quote:Of course you're never going to see the downside of Christianity by getting all your information from Christian sources. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Yeah it's kinda like trying to see all angles of the JFK assassination by reading only the Warren Commission Report or getting the inside scoop on 911 from the 911 Commission Report, supplemented by Popular Mechanics.

The people that wrote the respective sections of the 'buy-bull' (it has to be sold...and sell well it does,) way back in the old olden days, were obviously educated in reading writing etc. which would have made them one the few (relatively speaking) of their 'people' with an education. Would this not lead one to believe that perhaps, just maybe these people were were part of the intelligentsia helping to create systems of 'belief' and control amongst other things. I think in modern terms we might call those types the Illuminati and generically what they engaged in as social engineering to put it mildly. Another term may be mind control however.


Quote:thanks for clearing that up, the mentally ill will go to hell. organic portals? the lack of consience is a function of brain imbalance, the wires were crossed or not hooked up in early development........could be diet or lack of , or a number of genetic/enviormental factors.

Exactly. Just how does one determine that someone is born evil? Is there a little test pulled out right after birth or what?


I know what I have written may be offensive and inflammatory or perhaps even offensive to those who believe. That is not my intention, but I gotta call it like I see it, which is to say it is incredible, or more accurately not credible.

I've read people on other threads poo-pooing sigils a few times but I would like to point out that the particular 'Saviour-On-A-Stick' is also a sigil that is very powerful to those who believe. Such is the power of belief that it can give people strength to endure much suffering even if it is suffering caused by the very dysfunctional religious belief that causes the mental suffering in the first place. Is not life as viewed through the senses of a human often contradictory? I could believe that a piece of dog poo has power and if I truly did believe I would likely experience miracles from it. Every new insight into life, the nature of the universe and god, whilst meditating on the power of dog poo, I could attribute to the dog poo or the 'Saviour-On-A-Stick' or whatever symbol I chose to use. Belief is the key regardles of whether or not the poo or whatever truly has power. The real question to me is where do you draw your inspiration from and do you put it to good use. I think a quote by Peter Carroll sums it up when he says: "Nothing is true everything is permitted."

But back to the real topic at hand about what the pope said; good for him because he most assuredly will be going to hell with every other degenerate predecessor swine that came before him and held the title of pope. I personally do not believe in hell or heaven, only choice. But I make an exception for people like the pope and wish to believe in a hell only for them(ah wishful thinking.) Because if there were a hell I would certainly want those sick fucks to go there.:D


MMM
Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum.
- Darwi Odrade
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04-22-2007, 12:09 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-22-2007, 12:16 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#41
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:Exactly. Just how does one determine that someone is born evil? Is there a little test pulled out right after birth or what?

Yeah, they never bond properly---ever ever. This manifests when they're babies.

Watch the Good Son, Bad Seed....the case of Mary Bell. Read the book High Risk Children Without a Conscience. One in seven, more or less psychopathic - one in 12 definitely was the numbers quoted in that book. News flash: Its higher than that. Read Snakes in a Suit -- you will no longer have any doubt whatsoever about taxons.

Once they thought it wasn't genetic. That was just another lie from a textbook. Noone wanted anybody to know just how many are out there. Thanks, Catholic church.

There are a lot of them. They are Taxons! Scientifically irrefutable psychopaths-malignant narcissists. They will be life bane on ANY HUMAN they are in contact with. Trust bandits all.

Well guess what? Christianity calls the Nephilim, Islam calls them Djinn, David Icke calls them the reptilians, pagans call them Dragons or children of Exu or Loki. I call them vampires. Anton LaVey called Satanists born not made. Everyone is talking about the same thing. The THEY LIVE scenario.

That is what organized religion has been keeping under a hat.

The tares and the wheat are intermingled. The tares will be gathered first to be burned. They themselves feel they are made of fire and part of fire. So, if that is their stance it is a win-win situation for all. They will not inherit the Kingdom of God because they were never a part of it to begin with. They hate humanity and ALWAYS sought the ruination of everything the Creator made.

When you read the Bible knowing this, they entire Bible makes absolute sense. That is what the division time is all about.

Mankind is redeemed by the shed blood of Jesus Christ. NO HUMAN IS WITHOUT SIN! None! But the difference between human and other is the ability to repent of sinful nature and accept the gift of salvation.
Truth and lies mean absolutely nothing to psychopaths. Power-control-manipulation, etc. etc. You know them by their extreme wilfullness. Noone can do or tell them anything. Little gods, yeah right.

However, in order to accept salvation you have to be capable of repentance. That is a function of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not operate AT ALL IN PSYCHOPATHS. They are incurable from a scientific standpoint and also from a spiritual standpoint.

They know this and based on their jealousy, they seek to destroy all God has created.

There you go, in a nutshell, encapsulated.
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04-22-2007, 12:50 AM,
#42
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
That is actually quite cool Serial. Definitely more to look into.

Instead of burning the first child to Molech perhaps they should have burned the psychos instead. We'd probably be in a lot less worse shape than we are now.

Actually your post spurred a whole slew of questions that I don't have time to get into now...


MMM
Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum.
- Darwi Odrade
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04-22-2007, 04:42 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-22-2007, 05:05 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#43
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
But, for some mysterious reason...God doesn't want you to kill them. He knows they will vex you so that killing them seems like it would be advantageous, but God was very specific about not doing it.

Probably, because killing gets so out of hand so quickly, turning into war which is a greater distructive force, so they are allowed to be intermingled until God ordains it to be otherwise. And there is that commandment about loving and not judging; it usually seems to bring out the best in everybody, even though there will always be those that will be disruptive to that agenda.

I think the key is that the tares will be gathered first. So they will organize, grow in power. They certainly are not possessed of a desire NOT to kill. So at that time, the balance on the planet would be radically disturbed and jeopardize the entire world.
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04-22-2007, 05:06 AM,
#44
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
why did God make psychopaths?

i'd not considered that question before but one of the questions that troubled me for years was:

if there is a God, why does s/he allow such greedy, selfish, arrogant, violent, hungry, dare i say psychopathic, people to be in charge? (it's not just now, the Bushes and the Blairs are no different to the Hitlers and Churchills, or Princes, Popes, Caesars, Pharisees, Pharaohs...)

to govern us? really?

or to teach us a lesson?


got any other options, if there is a God?
Vitam Impendere Vero
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04-22-2007, 05:23 AM,
#45
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Unfortunately, I think the key there lies in that we are just passing through this very very non-utopian existence.

Not quite to Schopenhauer proportions maybe, but life is fleeting here along with everything else. And when you look back on your days, restrospectively they seem to have gone by quickly, and how many years actually stand out as being that much more remarkable than any other. Sure there are milestones in each life, but basically for all it amounts to, like a blur it all was, until eventually it ends.

So the psychopaths were bound to cause pain to others. But pain is only pain and that ends too.
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