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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
03-30-2007, 06:00 AM,
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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:I can't remember where I read it. But it was said that, once in hell you could get out if you became virtuous. As if hell was to convert you to becoming "good" so to speak. I personally hadn't heard of that idea before, but found it interesting. Instead of saying you stayed there burning for eternity.


Ecclesiastes 8:16


16 When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe man's labor on earth—his eyes not seeing sleep day or night- 17 then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all his efforts to search it out, man cannot discover its meaning. Even if a wise man claims he knows, he cannot really comprehend it.

Ecclesiastes 9:1-7

A Common Destiny for All

1 So I reflected on all this and concluded that the righteous and the wise and what they do are in God's hands, but no man knows whether love or hate awaits him. 2 All share a common destiny—the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, [a] the clean and the unclean, those who offer sacrifices and those who do not.
As it is with the good man,
so with the sinner;
as it is with those who take oaths,
so with those who are afraid to take them.
3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead. 4 Anyone who is among the living has hope [b] —even a live dog is better off than a dead lion!

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even the memory of them is forgotten.

6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.

7 Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for it is now that God favors what you do. 8 Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil. 9 Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun— all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, [c] where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.


This should bring light to your thought that once you dead you have any hope of redeeming yourself.
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03-30-2007, 06:04 AM,
#17
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Mifune, I am so sorry you cannot abide one sec of Christian dogma.

I really don't think I am judgemental, I have said it before, and will say it again.

I am not saying this, the Bible says it, sins again Jesus will be forgiven, blaphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

Organic portals, psychopaths, are devoid of conscience which is A MAJOR function of the Holy Spirit.

Those are the only ones, I believe, which will not inheret the Kingdom.

Now that is a lot of other people from a lot of other religions which are not included in that, so what are you saying about me being judgemental?
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03-30-2007, 07:07 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2007, 07:08 AM by FighterFromAfar.)
#18
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
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Quote:What sense? How do you know what the afterlife consists of? I don't suppose you have any personal experience with the afterlife.


How do you know it does not exist? There are so many things that we believe in that we have never been seen. unfortunately the after life can only be found after life is completed. Beware of the Apotasy. It is written that the Christian Church begin to move away from the teachings of the Bible. The Pope is is just a man. He has to follow the same rules eveyone else does. The bible explains HELL in pretty good detail and also gives everyone a map on how to find it.

I suppose you didn't notice that I explained in clear terms how the Bible is full of shit. :wink:
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03-30-2007, 07:35 AM,
#19
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:I am not saying this, the Bible says it, sins again Jesus will be forgiven, blaphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

.

A little reinforcement of what you have just said SerialExpLain.

MATTHEW 12 :31-32

31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

MiFune It seems that you are searching. If you were not then you could actually grasp one main creed. That is really what separates the spiritualist and from religious doctrine. You need no faith to support your beliefs. I on the other have committed myself to mine as have many Christians. Yes I believe I am right and non Christians are wrong. I am not ashamed of it. On of the main doctrines of the Christian faith is to share the word of God with all people not matter what they believe. Keep searching and soon hopefully you find the truth.
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03-30-2007, 07:54 AM,
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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
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Quote:What sense? How do you know what the afterlife consists of? I don't suppose you have any personal experience with the afterlife.


How do you know it does not exist? There are so many things that we believe in that we have never been seen. unfortunately the after life can only be found after life is completed. Beware of the Apotasy. It is written that the Christian Church begin to move away from the teachings of the Bible. The Pope is is just a man. He has to follow the same rules eveyone else does. The bible explains HELL in pretty good detail and also gives everyone a map on how to find it.

I suppose you didn't notice that I explained in clear terms how the Bible is full of shit. :wink:


Ok so you think it is full of shit. Are you some sort of time traveler? Have you been visted be someone claiming to be from that time. I really doubt it. It seems you have been brainwashed into beliveing the words of some less than almighty being. It is sad that you so easily turned astray from truth and probably shows that you have many weaknesses not listed in your posts. The question I have for you is WhY? Why must you spend so much time trying to find the truth that is right before you. Good exists and Evil exists. Good cannot completely eradicate evil nor can evil completely eradicate good. God planned it that way. he wants us to chose sides of course he desires us to chose his side but that is not always the case. There is no middle ground that you are trying to prove. You are either in or out. For everything that points toward truth there are forces of evil on this earth whose only purpose is to point us in the other direction. What you have posted probably does not seem Blasphemus to you but when you look at the big picture you motive is to make people question there faith. So believe what you wish I know I do. Continue to have faith in the spirit or doctrine of the week and I will have faith in our Lord and his son who died for your sins and mine.
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03-30-2007, 09:57 AM,
#21
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:Ok so you think it is full of shit. Are you some sort of time traveler? Have you been visted be someone claiming to be from that time. I really doubt it. It seems you have been brainwashed into beliveing the words of some less than almighty being. It is sad that you so easily turned astray from truth and probably shows that you have many weaknesses not listed in your posts. The question I have for you is WhY? Why must you spend so much time trying to find the truth that is right before you. Good exists and Evil exists. Good cannot completely eradicate evil nor can evil completely eradicate good. God planned it that way. he wants us to chose sides of course he desires us to chose his side but that is not always the case. There is no middle ground that you are trying to prove. You are either in or out. For everything that points toward truth there are forces of evil on this earth whose only purpose is to point us in the other direction. What you have posted probably does not seem Blasphemus to you but when you look at the big picture you motive is to make people question there faith. So believe what you wish I know I do. Continue to have faith in the spirit or doctrine of the week and I will have faith in our Lord and his son who died for your sins and mine.


Faith is belief without support of facts.

In case you haven't noticed, we live in a world of grey and not black and white. There are no absolutes in our world and it is foolish to put belief in an absolute good deity...especially one that's supposed words have been written by Freemasons. Pull your eyes out of your security blanket bible and try them on the real world for once.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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03-30-2007, 10:40 AM,
#22
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:Faith is belief without support of facts.

In case you haven't noticed, we live in a world of grey and not black and white. There are no absolutes in our world and it is foolish to put belief in an absolute good deity...especially one that's supposed words have been written by Freemasons. Pull your eyes out of your security blanket bible and try them on the real world for once.

How has the wool been pulled over my eyes. Since you are so into fact base lifestyle. What are the facts about my life. Where are the facts about the Freemasons ever actually doing anything besides drinking too much at shriner conventions and helping crippled children walk. The fact of the matter is I actually have been involved in clandestine ops and have seen your grey world and it is so black and white. The powers that be do not want you to know what the truth is, they want you to believe in peace. The peace process you hear about it all the time. There is good and evil everywhere, it surrounds us, it is not a comic fantasy. the evil side wants you to believe they are good so you see the grey world. It is so simple a 5 year old can grasp it. Instead of talking listen to the world around you do not rely on what some blow hard is spouting off. Our past is so cluttered with lies it is understandable some one could fall into the dream of a grey world. People Lie that is a fact. When bad things happen in our world we try to define them and and analyze why. Using the doctrine that we all live in your so called grey world makes it very hard to do. 911 for instance in your grey world there is a conspiracy. In my world ther is lies and deceit. Evil men did this horrid thing to good people. Grey is what they want you to see.


On my faith I am a Christian which in your eyes makes me bad, stupid, ignorant, and close minded. So what we are entitled to our opinions. However if you would like to argue the facts about my religion then bring the facts to the table. Do not just throw out statements and pat yourself on the back. What freemasons wrote the bible? HOw is my faith in my Lord not based on fact? I challenge you to stump me and make me do research. On that note I will leave you with this

Proverbs 12:23
A prudent man keeps his knowledge to himself, but the heart of fools blurts out folly.
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03-30-2007, 11:05 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2007, 11:11 AM by FighterFromAfar.)
#23
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Don't you realize that you've been programmed by your religion for your whole life, not to think or know, but to believe without verifying anything for yourself?

Quote:However if you would like to argue the facts about my religion then bring the facts to the table.

Again... not sure if you've noticed, but I have been bringing out facts. Constantine was a madman, and he twisted Jesus' teachings into a system of control in order to unite his empire, while leaving out Jesus' most important private teachings regarding logos, the logic of God, that man should raise his intellect and thinking process to that of God in order to solve the problems we as humans face. Hebrew history was forged by the scribe Ezra circa 800 B.C. during the Babylonian captivity. There was no bloodline going back to Adam and Eve. Supposedly Abraham lived about 4,000 years ago (2000 B.C.), yet there's no mention of the Hebrew people in Egyptian history until around 1,300 B.C., and even then, they were only mentioned as a rag-tag group of shepherds, not as Shepherd Kings or any of that nonsense.

All of Christianity issued forth from Roman Catholicism. There are no two ways about it. Christianity didn't just suddenly become good because of the Protestant Reformation. It's a system of control designed to keep you from thinking.
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03-30-2007, 11:49 AM,
#24
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
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Quote:I am not saying this, the Bible says it, sins again Jesus will be forgiven, blaphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.

.

A little reinforcement of what you have just said SerialExpLain.

MATTHEW 12 :31-32

31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

That's hilarious.

The father, son, and holy ghost/spirit are all one in the same. You can't blaspheme one without doing the other two at the same time.

Unless, of course, you're a Nestorian Christian or an Armenian Christian or an Assyrian Christian or a Maronite.

In any event, it's all irrelevant, since you fate is pre-destined. Your life in heaven or hell was determined before you were even born, and nothing you do can change your fate.

Quote:MiFune It seems that you are searching. If you were not then you could actually grasp one main creed.

The "one main creed" was synthesized by a bunch of now-dead white guys at Nicaea. They knew less about whatever events supposedly occurred than you do. I certainly wouldn't consider a bunch of bigoted power seekers striving to maintain the status quo to be an expert on anything.

Jesus himself said, "Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:).

He just admitted that he is neither good nor god.

Jesus isn't a very intelligent god and it's a good thing he isn't a doctor. He's so stupid he thinks epilesy is caused by demons.

And such faith is woefully misguided.

If Jesus ever really returns, the US and every American in it will be reduced to a smoking cinder.

Americans have everything they have because they willingly encourage their government to deprive the life or liberty of four other people on the planet. If Jesus really is the man he claims he is, there's no possible way he could tolerate a people or a government that would engage in such behavoir.

And that's what American Christianity is all about. Making people feel good while they kill and enslave the rest of the planet to obtain cheap consumer goods.
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03-30-2007, 01:10 PM,
#25
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
so some people are born evil?

does this not mean God created them evil?

born evil without any hope of salvation? - why would God do that?

in my bible, Jesus tells me to"tun the other cheek", "judge not" and "take the log from my own eye"

i refuse to judge anything as evil, except my own ignorance



to my mind, faith and ignorance are the same thing
Vitam Impendere Vero
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03-30-2007, 11:06 PM,
#26
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:On my faith I am a Christian which in your eyes makes me bad, stupid, ignorant, and close minded. So what we are entitled to our opinions. However if you would like to argue the facts about my religion then bring the facts to the table. Do not just throw out statements and pat yourself on the back.

The only agreement there is faith-bred ignorance and faith-bred close-mindedness. These are not any comment on you as a person but you as a Christian and following your faith. I grew up in the church and my father is a priest to this day. I have seen the ins and outs of the Christian church and experienced all I care to of that Dogma. It is a mental illness that breeds the same separatist and elitist attitudes while spouting that they are just the opposite....hmmm just like the US and UK governments.

I have no desire to argue facts about their faith with Christians as they always resort to the Bible for the proof. The Bible is not fact either and basing a fact based argument on an unreliable source is death for the argument. I do not try to shove my beliefs down anyones throat like most Christians I've ever met. I once had one try to "witness" for me in Toys-R-Us. LOL
I merely point out obvious fallacies in the whole Dogmatic system.


Quote:What freemasons wrote the bible? HOw is my faith in my Lord not based on fact? I challenge you to stump me and make me do research.

The King James Version was written by Sir Francis Bacon 33rd degree Freemason under the tutelage of Dr. John Dee who was a Rosicrucian.

Prove God exists. If you cannot prove it, then it cannot be considered fact.
No this is not a challenge. I have had it proven to me many times that there is no Christian God and have no interest in debating it.
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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03-30-2007, 11:49 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-30-2007, 11:53 PM by psilocybin.)
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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Faith is bullshit. It is a very old one of those buzzwords that we see coming out in politics today. It has no real basis in reality and is just used to rally the masses into amorphous heap of shit.

Faith : firm belief in something for which there is no proof - Merriam Webster.

This is the basic meaning of faith, so why do people get bent out of shape when faith is target? Because they know there isn't real proof and when you're led to believe something for so many years and you can see that there's this thread that if pulled could untangle the whole mess, people get defensive.

The main issue I have with these arguments is the abandonment of logic. The reason I don't believe in god isn't that I'm evil or corrupt. It's because when sat down an analyzed the mess of this, it just didn't make any sense.

We live in a world of corruption- the devil
All the good folks- Christians

I mean it's just to fucking convenient. Then you analyze the actual numbers game. Although Christianity is the world's largest religion, it only represents one third of the world. In True Christian fashion, if one doesn't accept Christ as their savior they're doomed. Why would god make it so that 2/3 of the planet is fubared?

In addition, this accept Christ or your doomed shit is too convenient. It's like a supernatural dictatorship. Trust me, when a religion uses fear mongering as a tactic, it's not true. Fear Mongering is a human tactic used by elites to control.

I agree also, that any form of Christianity is based off Roman Catholicism. It's a historical fact. The protestant reformation is something that happened and was a step in a more proper direction. People realized how much control the Catholic Church had and how much it abused its power for nothing more self-serving enterprises. The only problem is that Martin Luther just nailed 95 theses to a door. Then a Bible was printed for everyone. Well, this bible was in the hands of the church for 1200 years almost. You don't think they managed to get their dirty paws on that before it was released?

I just hate when people won't acknowledge the pink elephant in the room. These are blaring inaccuracies, but you talk to any Christian and they shrug them off. This is truly ignorance; the only problem is it's purposeful. I attribute this to the average person being almost retarded. This retardation is also why our country is in the porcelain bowl right now.

Sheeat, we're on a conspiracy website. Supposedly, people are awake or being awakened here, but some can't see past the biggest conspiracy: Religion.

I read an article saying that religion is caused by a human need to play. It says Humans are the only animals, other than ones that are domesticated with us, that play when we are adults. The author then extrapolated that religion is just playing on the spiritual level. It also states that war is most likely a product of this. I don't know if I buy it totally, but it makes some sense.

I've had my time huffing and puffing, but I give one challenge to all the Christians that read this:

Read the bible, but when you do it this time don't think of it as an altruistic spiritual almanac, treat as if it were a myth like Jason and the Argonauts. Try to perceive it that way. It's funny because it works better like that.

Oh yeah, one more gripe. You know what really grinds my gears? Those choads that try to say Dinosaurs and Humans lived together and that the earth is only 5000 years old or something. Are we that stupid?
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03-31-2007, 09:23 AM,
#28
Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
MiFune


Actually on that point I was not programmed by religion. I have not been a Christian my entire life. If anything I would agree with you on the fact that I had been programmed, or brainwashed by my previous career. It was not until I was able to escape that my search began to find reason. That search did end up with me becoming a Christian. I did not find the Lord in some supernatural occurrance nor while sitting in a church. No one spoke with me about the subject. I read the Bible and everything began to make sense. If anything my faith has freed me from the programming. I no longer watch TV. I rarely listen to the radio. I read my news. I used to think conspriacies were just a bunch of parnoid thoughts from complete wackos and then I realized how real some of the arguements were. How Much we do not know.


I agree that all religion has been used at one time or another to control. But how is it controlling me? An average Christian.
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03-31-2007, 08:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-31-2007, 09:14 PM by FighterFromAfar.)
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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
In order to know what to really think about any person, organization, or institution, it may be a good idea to see what criticism there is about that institution, and whether any of it is valid.

Of course you're never going to see the downside of Christianity by getting all your information from Christian sources. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

All I'm saying is, trust nothing that you cannot verify for yourself, but keep your mind open as to all of the possibilities.
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04-01-2007, 12:12 AM,
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Pope Says Hell And Damnation Are Real And Eternal
Quote:
Quote:On my faith I am a Christian which in your eyes makes me bad, stupid, ignorant, and close minded. So what we are entitled to our opinions. However if you would like to argue the facts about my religion then bring the facts to the table. Do not just throw out statements and pat yourself on the back.

The only agreement there is faith-bred ignorance and faith-bred close-mindedness. These are not any comment on you as a person but you as a Christian and following your faith. I grew up in the church and my father is a priest to this day. I have seen the ins and outs of the Christian church and experienced all I care to of that Dogma. It is a mental illness that breeds the same separatist and elitist attitudes while spouting that they are just the opposite....hmmm just like the US and UK governments.

I have no desire to argue facts about their faith with Christians as they always resort to the Bible for the proof. The Bible is not fact either and basing a fact based argument on an unreliable source is death for the argument. I do not try to shove my beliefs down anyones throat like most Christians I've ever met. I once had one try to "witness" for me in Toys-R-Us. LOL
I merely point out obvious fallacies in the whole Dogmatic system.


Quote:What freemasons wrote the bible? HOw is my faith in my Lord not based on fact? I challenge you to stump me and make me do research.

The King James Version was written by Sir Francis Bacon 33rd degree Freemason under the tutelage of Dr. John Dee who was a Rosicrucian.

Prove God exists. If you cannot prove it, then it cannot be considered fact.
No this is not a challenge. I have had it proven to me many times that there is no Christian God and have no interest in debating it.



Hypocrite.

You are exercising the blind faith, which you accuse others of, in Manly Palmer Hall and other masonic authors.
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