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Texas Signs New Self-defense By Gun Law
03-19-2008, 11:12 PM,
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Texas Signs New Self-defense By Gun Law
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Quote:Death Penalty, yes. All life is sacred, except those that take other lives senslessly. Like the 95 year old man locally, his grandchild owed drug money to these 3 people, so they went after the old man, cut his hand off, beat him to death, then tossed him out. Of the 91 year old woman raped and beaten. Look at the missing children, show me a child that deserves to be raped or murdered.

These people should not be able to harm another person again, and supporting them is a waste of money and space. Sorry, but ever action must have a reaction, and they should reap what they sowed. As long as the message is out that there is no cost, they will continue.

I am not sure you can achieve a universal claim about some sort of life sacredity while at the same time ruling out certain lives. Besides, what does it even really mean that life is sacred? That we are held to some higher power to account for it? Certainly there is not some natural force that justifies it. Unless you are gonna stake claim to a relgious text it is hard to account for, though not impossible. The implications of a well designed social contract could account for a certain degree of sacred life. But, it would have to be completely based on utility and limited to that end. And, I am pretty sure thats not what you are talking about. Anyways, Ill be happy to debate sacred life with you. But, Id like to actually focus on the death penalty.

Trust me, Brother, I want all of the animals that threaten innocent life and free humanity to be 6 feet under. And, I would be the first one in line to pull the levers. But, that isnt realistic. Who really is capable here of being the grand arbitor of justified life? You? Me? The Government??? Certainly not the government. They cant be trusted to do anything. And, the innocent are excecuted all of the time because of this inherently uncertain nature of the judicial system.

Now, that said, you could still think its worth it. But, my question is where is the line? How many wrongfully accused, innocents are you ready to execute to justify the execution of those who stand as a threat to other innocents? Surely at some point the ratio just becomes absurd and undermines the original intent because of the amount of innocents required to kill to save innocents.

You have a good point too; the government shouldn't be trusted, I suggest that you study "The Plan Against the New World Order".

I'd like to ask you to not be so aggressively opposed to your fellow brother here, rather see if you can get something out of another perspective on the thing, and perhaps find a balance ("The Middle Way")?
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03-19-2008, 11:39 PM,
#17
Texas Signs New Self-defense By Gun Law
Quote:I'd like to ask you to not be so aggressively opposed to your fellow brother here, rather see if you can get something out of another perspective on the thing, and perhaps find a balance ("The Middle Way")?

I have just been on a tear lately. Ive been really upset about what all is goin on. But, you are probably right. I should have toned it down a bit.
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03-20-2008, 05:57 AM,
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Texas Signs New Self-defense By Gun Law
No, not just for anything, but the worse of them. You are right on not trusting the government, they'd probably be the first lined up.

As bad as this world has gotten, there would be a line, but it would soon diminish. There may be a few innocents, but strick examination should be done first, proof positive. Usually, crimes that are repeated or done out of cold blood or greed. Crimes of passion, where real regret, maybe the victims families would decide in a court if found guilty. Except they be the rape of a child or person that could not fend the assaliant off. There is no reason sane or insane, that one should be allowed to terrorize the weak. In defense, it would be different. Like the old man and woman that shot a bugular to death, have no problem with that.

It doesn't bring back the life of the victim, but it insures that that person will not harm again, and sends out a clear signal that if someone does this, there are consequences. Morally right, I don't know. Could I do it, it's not that hard to do.
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03-20-2008, 06:55 AM,
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Texas Signs New Self-defense By Gun Law
Quote:No, not just for anything, but the worse of them. You are right on not trusting the government, they'd probably be the first lined up.

As bad as this world has gotten, there would be a line, but it would soon diminish. There may be a few innocents, but strick examination should be done first, proof positive. Usually, crimes that are repeated or done out of cold blood or greed. Crimes of passion, where real regret, maybe the victims families would decide in a court if found guilty. Except they be the rape of a child or person that could not fend the assaliant off. There is no reason sane or insane, that one should be allowed to terrorize the weak. In defense, it would be different. Like the old man and woman that shot a bugular to death, have no problem with that.

It doesn't bring back the life of the victim, but it insures that that person will not harm again, and sends out a clear signal that if someone does this, there are consequences. Morally right, I don't know. Could I do it, it's not that hard to do.

That's what's called Justice, to give everyone what they deserve.
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03-20-2008, 06:56 AM,
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Quote:I'd like to ask you to not be so aggressively opposed to your fellow brother here, rather see if you can get something out of another perspective on the thing, and perhaps find a balance ("The Middle Way")?

I have just been on a tear lately. Ive been really upset about what all is goin on. But, you are probably right. I should have toned it down a bit.

Don't get angry, get determined. =)
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