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Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
05-04-2007, 06:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-04-2007, 06:37 PM by DHammer.)
#31
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
the pity wasn't adressed to you standvast :grin:or maybe you need some too and dont know how to ask for it ? :tongue:

Quote:God should inspire by presence alone, not persecute and bribe. pissed.gif sad.gif
yea, he should also bring you a nice cup of tea in your bed every morning :grin:, besides, WE decide what he should do and not do right ? WE decide what he should be like or shouldnt be like. If that's true, what are Scriptures for ? You create your own reality and your own vision of god.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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05-04-2007, 06:43 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-04-2007, 07:14 PM by DHammer.)
#32
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:That Romans quote says nothing about Jesus.

Actually it does,more or less, since Jesus IS God.

Quote:What if a human in a tribe in the amazon rainforest dies, and he has had no contact with the modern world. Where does he go when he passes on? I'd personaly believe that people in tribes with nature are closer to the creator then any christian can conceive. Why send a missionary there to change that?

You asking the same question AGAIN, but in different terms is very offensive , quite frankly. As i said earlier you can find the answer by using the simplest methods offered by the internet. i mean come on man use google, answers.yahoo.com . If you have anything to say about salvation and how Christians interpret it , please let us know.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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05-04-2007, 07:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-05-2007, 07:31 AM by standvast.)
#33
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:yea, he should also bring you a nice cup of tea in your bed every morning grin.gif ,

humans are proficient at fixing their own tea, aswell as "punishing" themselves.
Quote:besides, WE decide what he should do and not do right ? WE decide what he should be like or shouldnt be like.

What other option do you think you have?, whoever's version you want to go by , it is still YOU
deciding what to accept as god, scriptural text / language does not do so for you.
Quote:If that's true, what are Scriptures for ?

Scriptures are earlier accounts of people's [humans] [earlier variants of you and me] IDEA of God.
What are they for? they are accounts of envisionment, they can be used to learn from ,
they can be forced down your throat as a rusty wrongly operated motivational tool, and it seems to
some people they can even be complete replacements for their own conceptualisations:ouch:.

Quote:You create your own reality and your own vision of god.

so do you, you just can't work it the right way; because you don't even realise that you're doing it [at all.?]

Quote:the pity wasn't adressed to you standvast grin.gif

I tend to to think of myself as someone who's belief is built on sense, not common sense particularly,
but i still felt adressed although not personally, by your loathing remark towards all that ;
Quote:[b]create their life beliefs [based ? ] upon their common sense,

...you on the other hand seem to create your life beliefs on some unknown source's
senses, of which you have a very personal though "sole correct" interpretation,
and choose to arrogantly "pity" those who decide all create their own ideas of
everything, and not blindly accept scripture , written by the hands of men,
as the word from a personified deity.

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-05-2007, 01:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-05-2007, 01:59 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#34
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:half lizard jewish people

Don't project, I did not say Jewish, and I do not refer to them as lizards either. And futhermore, they are not half anything. They are imposters mimicing human behavior. They are no more human that a rock. They are found in a ratio of between 1:7 to 1:12.

I call them vampires. They are more commonly referred to as psychopaths (malignant narcisism). They are scientifically determined to be taxons.

They are relatively easy to recognize once you have determined what to look for.

That is the true nature of jihad, the war between the seedlines. It is nothing new, and that is the real lie that has been kept from everybody by organized relgions, science, politics, i.e. the truth as to how many there really are. But if you read the Bible carefully, out of the context of any organized religion, you will see that is what is being explained to you and then it makes much more sense.

Nonduality, while a nice thought, is simply not what is going on as this is obviously a fundamental problem which will never be reconciled here on earth.

It also explains a need for a division utlimately.
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05-05-2007, 09:36 PM,
#35
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:so do you, you just can't work it the right way; because you don't even realise that you're doing it [at all.?]

i don't create my own version of God and reality , i accept(ed) a certain version of God presented in a certain book, BECAUSE, after testing, that certain version of God proved to be true.

I don't DECIDE what my God does and should do.

Now, do you have some kind of proof that God should ''inspire by presence alone, not persecute and bribe''? have you found some kind of sacred stone that's really old and it actually says that or are those just your presumptions and wishes ?

Quote:I tend to to think of myself as someone who's belief is built on sense, not common sense particularly,

belief based on sense yes, but 1-st of all facts, dont you think ?
a theory must make sense, but it also must be based on reality.

Yes, sense says a loving God would never create a place like hell. To stop here and jump to conclusions is juvenile. That's what i thought about God when i was 10 years old, when i knew nothing about the Bible. My advice is : don't limit yourself to your senses or your hunches, go research.

Quote:If you create your life beliefs upon your common sense ALONE, than I pity you.
is that better? :drunk:

Quote:choose to arrogantly "pity" those who decide all create their own ideas of everything, and not blindly accept scripture

I pity those who can't even get the data we talk about right, let alone debate it.

How am i gonna convince someone a photo is not fake if they don't even know how to use Photoshop ?
How am i gonna convince him the Bible is true if he doesn't even know the verses in it ?
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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05-05-2007, 10:03 PM,
#36
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:i don't create my own version of God and reality ,

denial - step 1 . you do not understand how the mind of a human works, you
have just as must choice and free movement of mind in making / creating / shaping
your own version of God and reality as i do, and as everyone does, denying that is useless.
it doesn't matter if your mind "tests' or deducts your particular version as the correct one,
that doesn't change it from being your created version [envisionment] of God and reality.
Quote:i accept(ed) a certain version of God presented in a certain book, BECAUSE, after testing, that certain version of God proved to be true.

Yes but as i tried to explain, and hope you will seriously consider, there is no other option, even
if you except scripture as tested and proven by your flawed human mind and wicked deceitfull heart,
you're still creating your own envisionment of reality and God, your just leaving much more of the actual "testing" to others, because you start out from the premise of your God's [book's] infallibillity.

Quote:I don't DECIDE what my God does and should do.

You decide what to except as your God, you decide to call someone else's envisionment of divinity "god",
you read into scripture, see what your mind tests as fittable and typify your god . you're not convincing me otherwise.

Quote:Now, do you have some kind of proof that God should ''inspire by presence alone, not persecute and bribe''?

I have proven [within the confines of my own mind ] that someone's envisionment of
a spitefull and selective deity, to me is not deserving of the title "god" ,
for god to me implies impartiallity and enlightenment of a uncondemning and non vengefull nature.

Quote:have you found some kind of sacred stone that's really old and it actually says that or are those just your presumptions and wishes ?

i do not need the onyx - stone in the ring with the self inscribed lemniscate
on my hand to remind me i shape my own reality anymore. :biggrin:

Quote:How am i gonna convince someone a photo is not fake if they don't even know how to use Photoshop ?
How am i gonna convince him the Bible is true if he doesn't even know the verses in it ?

Why "convince" anyone in the first place ?
did someone else prove it to you ? convince you ? or did you create your own reality ?

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-06-2007, 12:01 AM,
#37
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:
Quote:half lizard jewish people

Don't project, I did not say Jewish, and I do not refer to them as lizards either. And futhermore, they are not half anything. They are imposters mimicing human behavior. They are no more human that a rock. They are found in a ratio of between 1:7 to 1:12.

I call them vampires. They are more commonly referred to as psychopaths (malignant narcisism). They are scientifically determined to be taxons.

They are relatively easy to recognize once you have determined what to look for.

That is the true nature of jihad, the war between the seedlines. It is nothing new, and that is the real lie that has been kept from everybody by organized relgions, science, politics, i.e. the truth as to how many there really are. But if you read the Bible carefully, out of the context of any organized religion, you will see that is what is being explained to you and then it makes much more sense.

Nonduality, while a nice thought, is simply not what is going on as this is obviously a fundamental problem which will never be reconciled here on earth.

It also explains a need for a division utlimately.

Okay what are they? First they are reptile aliens from another planet. Then they are vampires. Now you call them psychopaths?

If you understand the basics of psychology, then being a psychopath isn't "alien" at all. In fact it's a very human trait. Just because someone doesn't show remorse towards others does not make them alien. Frightening? Yes. I always love these made up statistics. "They are found in a ration of between 1:7 and 1:12."

Really? Who told you this? Some random guy on a seminar or website?

Anyway, this is really off topic so I will stop here.

later.
On the nightside of Eden
await the wisdom nemesis
the shadow of death
from the tree of life
hides the phantom
from heavens strife
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05-06-2007, 12:16 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-06-2007, 12:45 AM by SerialExpLain.)
#38
Regarding Salvation (from A Christian P.o.v.)
Quote:First they are reptile aliens from another planet

Excuse me!!!!! I never said that. (Using the movie THEY LIVE as a basis of what the basic ratio would be like only)

Psychopaths are synonymous with vampires in my estimation.

The ratio IS 1:7, more of less psychopathic. 1:12 definitely psychopathic. (From High Risk: Children Without a Conscience)

Obviously, that is information that was suppressed. Look at how the Catholic Church presented the information. (Movie: The Exorcist...nah...its not like that....AT ALL) There is no cure scientifically or spiritually for a psychopath.

Humans can be delivered from obsessions and that is something entirely different. NO CONSCIENCE NO DELIVERANCE. None of this partial contrition crap that Catholic Church upheld.

Look, this just cannot be sanitized, it is at the crux of everything. Be they successful corporate psychos as explained by Harrington in the book Psychopaths; or in the book Snakes in a Suit or as depicted graphically in true crime - their intent towards humanity is the same, it is just a matter of how tight their mask is on really. The rage-hatred-murderous intent toward humanity is identical in all of them. In this context, they are not individual at all but more of a hive mentality as what is behind the mask is identical, but Zos Kia Cultus...you know all this so don't even bother twisting what science has well proven.
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