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The Masons
04-23-2007, 04:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-23-2007, 04:33 AM by MisterGlory.)
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Freemasonry is the oldest and largest world wide fraternity dedicated to the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of a Supreme Being. Although of a religious nature, Freemasonry is not a religion. It urges its members, however, to be faithful and devoted to their own religious beliefs.

Thus is a seeker introduced to Freemasonry.

Masons have been employed since the construction of the pyramids, they are the skilled tradesmen who travel from worksite to worksite, in the old days journeyman carpenters and stonemasons. Add welders and riggers, mechanical engineers and architects, substitute power stations for cathedrals, power lines for aqueducts and know that the tradition is well under way still. These peoples trade skills enable the transformation of drawings on paper, into realtime three dimensional structures of steel and stone.

They were paid in Cheops time and still are, the edifice complex that drives the ego’s of kings, despots, and popes, fuels the journeyman worker’s lifestyle. They pay to keep skilled foreign tradesmen, indigenous populations then become envious, hostile that their country’s wealth is being squandered. The foreign oil workers employed in today’s Niger Delta regarded that way, no less than King Mausol of Crete’s stonemasons.

For that reason the skilled imported workforce kept to itself, similarly defensive of their own situation, entry into the guilds and trades that made up mason infrastructure was highly selective and involved lengthy apprenticeships and training schedules, reflected in the orders various degrees and levels of attainment of the Freemasons lodge of today. Their comeback to criticism is that they are working for wages, if the Pope, the King or Shell Oil want the job done, and if the money is right, they are up to the task. All involved, the masons, the king, and the oil companies, know that the local workforce lacks the skills.

Similarly the journeyman lifestyle brought them into lands with differing theological values, for that reason and so that they could remain aloof from local religious politics and squabbles, the masons developed a charter of universal acceptance under the aegis of a divine creator who demanded good and who punished misdeeds.

They were on a good wicket, paid well and living in comfortable well found accommodation, the job was going ahead, strict guild rules saw to it that accidental death and injury was rare, and that food and accommodation was up to scratch and that payment was received for money earned. Else by guild rules they would stop work, or go on strike as it is called today.

Today’s trade unions have Masonic origins. The Freemasons Lodge evolved as people from outside the traditional mason infrastructure sought to emulate the success of the masons, they adopted the camaraderie, the strictures and the mores that they had observed, established thru the morale and character building work ethic of the travelling workmen.

No gain without pain though, the populace where the Cathedral or Palace or Mausoleum gets built get the rough end of the pineapple most of the time. The mason reasons that local politics are not his affair, the job goes on provided guild requirements are met, lingering resentment is still felt throughout some places re this state of affairs, reflected in the hate directed at Freemasons on internet forums for instance.

Some Freemasons lodges appear to have been infiltrated by antisocial elements who have conducted subversive activities using the traditional reticence of Masonry as a cover for their illegal agenda, these people are regarded as private citizens as far as their curricular activities outside of freemasonry is concerned. Thus criminals are regarded as criminals no matter what, the masonic response to a fellow mason who is a criminal, or who has been charged, must be that the matter should proceed under the law, with truth as punctually as is practicable.
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04-27-2007, 11:23 AM,
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Interesting post.

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05-01-2007, 10:26 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-01-2007, 10:27 AM by lovelyk.)
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Here's another version of "masonry" and its real meaning
:)

http://heygeorge5.tripod.com
You are going to be surprised to know what those rites and 'secret' words and 'quests' really mean.

Mockeries & lies!
Leading you to commit sins!
Height of deception!

that's what masonry is all about.
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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05-01-2007, 12:09 PM,
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Madizms.... Read up on the difference between Operative Freemasonry and Speculative Freemasonry.

The first post in this forum is just illustrating the development and evolution of modern Freemasonry from its speculative beginnings.
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05-06-2007, 08:16 PM,
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Quote:No thanks.
Why not?

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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05-08-2007, 11:55 PM,
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Quote:Why & When ..
Do you have something special to share and to gain my interests ?
No not specifically. Just wondered why you said "no thanks". Now I understand.

Quote:I dont believe the post was a full explantion of anything merely a confusion and an acceptance by people over the years to take it all in as one .. the two are not the same and never will be.
How do you know this?

Quote:There is no such thing as speculative freemasonry .......
The term speculative doesn't register today as it did two hundred years ago. As a result the term ‘speculative masonry’ falls flat in the twenty-first-century and "Symbolical Freemasonry" would be a much better term today. On second thoughts though...........

Quote:btw .. argue all you want....
............ No thanks - there seems little point.;)

Quote:Excuse me whilst I cast away some sins.
Cast away old chap. :)

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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05-09-2007, 03:44 AM,
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I'm not a Mason and I have went from thinking they are bad to stopping for a moment and thinking. I think there are bad groups operating as Masons like Skull & Bones, Illumuniti, etc. I know several Masons and have since birth yet I do not know a single one that is bad or has done bad. All I have seen has been good from local Mason groups. I'm not taking a side but when I stop and think what is what I look at a few facts.
1 - Masons have a creed to protect their fellow men and widows and children (I am told).
NWO wants everybody to tell on each other, stand seperate, think of only yourself.
2 - Masons help children and widows.
NWO wants depopulation.
3 - All Masons I know seem to be religious, most are deacons.
NWO exploits religion and changes it. They think they're gods.
4 - Masons take an active positive part in their communities .
NWO pretty much destroys communities and divides them.
Now I have several videos I have links to on my site that down the group but I'm not so sure they are correct. Looking at it realistically many of our presidents were Masons and fought for freedom, even today we use quotes from Madison and many others. We stayed free for many years until the turn of the century (1900s). The more their decline in numbers the less free we have become. I'm sure they have had bad enter, there is good and bad in everything, schools, clubs, people cities, etc...
My thoughts turned lately into what if they are what has surpressed the Illumuniti and endured, the one force they couldn't break from outside so they try from within, when that dosen't work they let the public do it for them. What if we are destroying the very ones that have fought on humanity's side. Let's face it, Bush is pretty easy to figure out but that may be on purpose. If they were all that stupid and that open it would be no match for good vs evil. We'd see them coming but they are not, they are smart, they must be because we would not be in the position we are in today if they were all that stupid. Just some of the stuff I wonder about. Divided we fall, United we stand. Masons seem united.
Don't get me wrong, I haven't a clue what they are but I think about all the other BS we here. Global Warming, Cancer Causes, GM Foods, GE Foods, Non Stick Cookware, Plastic, rGHB, IRS, stock market, and a whole list of lies.
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05-12-2007, 06:34 AM,
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I've been interested in the role of the Masons myself. By popular account, most of the "Founding Fathers" were active Freemasons, and according to a few sources, the Boston lodge over which Paul Revere presided didn't have a meeting the evening of the Boston Tea Party.

The question is a chicken-and-the-egg one in terms of the American War of Independence, though. Were these men influenced by Freemasonry to seek independence for the colonies, or did the Freemasons seek out powerful and politically influential men who would have done so anyway?

Same question in terms of modern Freemasonry... are these men influential because they're Masons, or are they Masons because they're influential? How does it affect the way they see the world and act? If this so-called "inner circle" exists among the Masons, then who is in and who is out?
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05-13-2007, 11:57 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-13-2007, 11:59 AM by Rosebery.)
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Quote:I've been interested in the role of the Masons myself. By popular account, most of the "Founding Fathers" were active Freemasons,
Actually no. Of the fifty-five (or was it six?) signatories of the Declaration of Independence only nine can certainly be identified as having been Freemasons. 10 others may possibly have been. Hardly most is it?

Quote:and according to a few sources, the Boston lodge over which Paul Revere presided didn't have a meeting the evening of the Boston Tea Party.
So?

Quote:The question is a chicken-and-the-egg one in terms of the American War of Independence, though. Were these men influenced by Freemasonry to seek independence for the colonies, or did the Freemasons seek out powerful and politically influential men who would have done so anyway?
IMHO we have no idea what motivated these men over 200 years ago and never will. It seems a little pointless to speculate on it really.

Quote:Same question in terms of modern Freemasonry... are these men influential because they're Masons, or are they Masons because they're influential?
Well I'm a mason but I'm not influential in the way I suspect you mean. Neither was I influential before I became a freemason.

Quote:How does it affect the way they see the world and act?
Do some more research on what Freemasonry is and you'll get your answer. This'll start you off: http://www.ugle.org.uk/masonry/what-is-freemasonry.htm.

Quote:If this so-called "inner circle" exists among the Masons,
It doesn't as far as I'm concerned. There may well be ppl in "inner circles" who also happen to be masons, or (insert name of whatever group, religion, business, etc etc you feel like here) but that's a completely different issue.

Quote:then who is in and who is out?
Well if it's as you say then I'm most certainly out.

Cheers

(edioted for spelin)
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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05-14-2007, 03:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-14-2007, 03:31 AM by hilly7.)
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On the inner circle thing, I think we all have inner circles we belong to like family, interests, jobs and friends. Of course it must be of common interest and that is where I have a bit of a problem with the Mason's all being a bad group. We know that Washington was a Mason so why then would he fight against England where many Mason's were impowered? It's quite clear he didn't want to rule the country as a dictator or king and he had opposition to the revolution so it wasn't an easy task to get started. The only goal I see was freedom, something we only have the illusion of these days yet they had it back then and for years to come. That would have been a great time to take this country, yet they did not.

There is so much disinformation out there on everything who is to say who is telling the truth and who is not. It's like that on health for instance. Some will say they almost have a cure, others say they have a cure but for a price and hidden way, way back is the truth that there are cures but they require effort and little to no money. Vitamin companies owned by drug companies. False reports. If they can do this with that, what can they do to the rest of information on things?

I have learned to judge a man by his actions, gather what information I can while onlooking his deeds. Merge the two together and somewhere you get the truth and in the case of the Masons I just do not see them as all evil. The ones I know are exceptional in their deeds. Perhaps the Skull & Bones, Illumuniti and others have flown a false flag operation and we have fell for it. Not a pretty thought, that would imply that we are responsible for allowing evil to take a hold on us.
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05-22-2007, 06:47 PM,
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Hello,i'm pretty new here,in fact this is my first post.I will have to excuse myself in advance for my bad english.

Now,i was wondering,why do you keep saying that the masons are bloodthirsty people,that perform cruel rituals,and who have the only purpose in life to controll and destroy everything.Are you that blind?
This cheap anti-mason campain is obviously just a decoy,to implement the idea of conspiration and new world order in the minds of the modern youth.

I won't say that the nwo doesn't exist,but charging the masons for the bullshit brought by other organisations is simply idiotic,really.
I'm pretty sick and tired of theese "conspiracy documentaries",i prefere to document myself by reading various books that are related to the masons,that don't contain any subjectivity,at least no obvious subjectivity.
Anyhow,think twice before beliveing the bullshit brought by the jew controlled modern media,the masons won't eat your brains,most of them actually have better things to do.Not all the influent people want to rule the world,think about this will you?:)

~Partizan
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05-22-2007, 07:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-22-2007, 07:36 PM by standvast.)
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Quote:Hello,i'm pretty new here,in fact this is my first post.I will have to excuse myself in advance for my bad english.

Hi and welcome to CC ,
you signed up to react to this thread i presume, otherwise i would have found
your first post in the "introduce yourself"- forum , not ?:grin:
It's good to see new folks come on , eager to discuss or make a point.
BTW your english is fine ,.. no worries.


Quote:Now,i was wondering,why do you keep saying that the masons are bloodthirsty people,that perform cruel rituals,and who have the only purpose in life to controll and destroy everything.Are you that blind?
This cheap anti-mason campain is obviously just a decoy,to implement the idea of conspiration and new world order in the minds of the modern youth.

To a large extent i agree, that focussing on "the masons" in general as part of an
all-encompassing conspiracy is silly, and uninsightfull, but who are you adressing with your remark anyway?,
Quote:I won't say that the nwo doesn't exist,but charging the masons for the bullshit brought by other organisations is simply idiotic,really.

What do you believe "the NWO" to be?

Quote:I'm pretty sick and tired of theese "conspiracy documentaries",i prefere to document myself by reading various books that are related to the masons,that don't contain any subjectivity,at least no obvious subjectivity.

same here..screw the pre-chewed sensationalist crap, give me [a link to] a book.
keep in mind there are no "objective" humans/sources/authors, all have preconcieved notions and mindsets.

Quote:Anyhow,think twice before beliveing the bullshit brought by the jew controlled modern media,the masons won't eat your brains,most of them actually have better things to do.Not all the influent people want to rule the world,think about this will you?:)

How are you going to make a point about "the masons" being blamed for shit,
and then use the phrase "Jew controlled media', as if "the jews" are some amalgemous group
controlling something?
Allthough i'm aware of media monopoly's and groups excerting extreme influence therein,
i suggest you stop to consider that "the jews" could be as much a scapegoat or a strawman front as " the masons " is. :wink:

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-23-2007, 04:58 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-23-2007, 05:00 AM by hilly7.)
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I agree, yet I know only a few Jews. The media is controlled and I do believe in the NWO yet I just can't feel that the Masons are part of them. Corporate control, Illumuniti Controlled or Banker controlled. What if the Masons and others are being beaten into the ground were what has held them back all these years? Who then would fight for right?
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05-23-2007, 02:08 PM,
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I didn't introduce myself coz the topic are kinda unorganised back there.My name is Dan,i'm from Romania.
The jewish monopoly on the economics and media is obvious,generalisn` is stupid though,i won't say that all the jews are involved in some ancestral conspiration to controll the world.
I didnt join just to answer to this topic,a friend of mine invited me here.The "Masons are evil,look under the bed every night!" topic is old as hell(not on the forums),and it's getting pretty boring.And i've seen many guys that think the same way here as well.
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