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Are You Going To Heaven?
05-07-2007, 07:00 AM,
#31
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:@Standvast:

Ha! The Bible never says to be an idiot! It says judge and you will be judged, it says quite emphatically who will and will not inherit the Kingdom. Get it goats-sheep --- wheat/tares.

Yes, love your neighbor...do you know how nasty psychos get when they are not loved...have to feed their ego needs.

But if you want the psychopaths there, take that up with God -- Guess what, He doesn't. How do I know that? THE BIBLE...its in there.

The entire Bible is about discerning good and evil, truth and artifice! And explaining why! A goat NEVER becomes a sheep. A tare NEVER becomes wheat.

Ezekiel 7:3

The end is now upon you and I will unleash my anger against you. I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.

Ezekiel 7:8

I am about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you; I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your detestable practices.

Ecclesiastes 6:12

12 For who knows what is good for a man in life, during the few and meaningless days he passes through like a shadow? Who can tell him what will happen under the sun after he is gone?

SE What you quoted was a warning about judging others. God will do the judging. On the evil psychopaths it is important to understand that you do not have the power to defeat evil and remain good. Do not get me wrong I am not a passivist at all. Some people may even call me a warmonger. However it is written and has been read and in someways forgotten that Jesus brought to the world the truth and because of the truth we should feel free. The truth is that our life on earth is limited and because of that he will returm to bring us home.
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05-07-2007, 07:21 AM,
#32
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:Also, did you learn nothing about forgiveness?


EXACTLY. Gods Grace is what throws a monkey wrench into topics like this.
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05-07-2007, 05:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2007, 05:57 PM by deathstickboy.)
#33
Are You Going To Heaven?
SE

As I understand the Christian Faith, a person is saved By Grace, through faith in God and accepting forgiveness in believing in Christ's sacrfice, which was made for EVERYONE.

Claiming that there are un-reformable, unforgivable, evil people, "Psychopaths" or "Organic Portals" or whatever label humans have given to people who are destructive beyond comprehensible reason or logic, is essentially an anti-thesis to "the gospel".

Its a strange, almost mechanistic world view. However its shows in the reflection that you see "psychopaths" as un-redeemable instraments of evil, and yourself as an "instrament of God though surrender to 'His Will' (however that is determined).

Its a perfectly polarized view, which by all accounts, rejects the notion that Jesus died so that All sins would be forgiven. The forgiveness is there for everyone, weather you choose to accept it or not is your problem.

So it seems to me that you are rejecting fundamental basis of Christianity as it was taught to me, and as I grew to understand it in my own studies, by stating that there are un-redeemable or un-reformable psychopaths. You define them as "instraments of evil" which you choose to be a contrast too, claiming that God Himself has "taken hold" of you for just that purpose.

That seems to reject the very basis of Free Will and the idea that Jesus died "for all".

Remeber that line from the Lords Prayer (I'll even put it in the KJV lingo for ya :wink: )
"And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."
Wyrd bi∂ ful aræd : Vituð ér enn eða hvat?
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05-07-2007, 06:12 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2007, 06:14 PM by deathstickboy.)
#34
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Quote:I am God's creation, every attribute I possess was given to me by my Creator. He seeks a dynamic interaction with His creation. It is amazing the communication He is capable of having with those that respect the interchange. Nothing could be better. I finally found that after exploring many alternative spiritual paths.

When you stop striving to become God is when God takes an interest in dynamic interchange.

What you utterly fail to understand, is that your accusations towards people who are "trying to become a god" is merely a projection of your own attitudes when you were studying "alternative paths".

If you had understanding, or perhaps paid a bit more attention to what is posted by the people you level your "striving to become god" accusations at, you might realize that out attitude is very simmilar to yours, and on an internal level, perhaps even identical to a large extent.

However, the language you use does not accurately refelct my(our) understanding, and it dangerously pigeon-holes the concept, demanding reliance on one book, written by and tampered with by individuals with questionable motives.

The very notion that there is a separate "God" who will only take an "active intrest" in you as soon as you start "thinking the way he commands you to" even though he supposedly gave us Free Will, is quite aborrent, especially given a wider understanding.

I don't see the omnipotent, omnipresent, non-judgemental creative force behind all existence doing that.

It seems to me, that all are but extensions of it, all the way into what some would call "the furthest and most dense levels of existence" from the original source, the physical world.

Thus in that respect, the "creating" ( :wink: ) acts through all things, and is always doing so.
Wyrd bi∂ ful aræd : Vituð ér enn eða hvat?
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05-07-2007, 06:42 PM,
#35
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:no-one knows what is beyond death
Are you sure?

Anyways on topic. We will all know in the end, no point worrying about.

I believe heaven exists in another dimension(if you want to call it that) right here, right now. It is everywhere. God is everywhere though, he flows through all. I absolutely know he exists, and am not concerned with proving anyone wrong. I merely wish to help others understand.

-Peace
NM 156
by Queensrÿche

Uniform printout reads end of line,Protect code intact leaves little time
Erratic surveys, free thinking not allowed,My hands shake, my push buttons silence
The outside crowd

One world government has outlawed war among nations,Now social control requires population termination

Have we come too far,To turn around,Does emotion hold the key
Is logic just a synonym for,This savagery, disguised in
Forgotten lost memory

Microchip logic,have we no more thought
&Is this wrong& I enter,Answers sought
Punch, punch, punch, transfer this data
Into code. Wide eyes watch my Number 156 is shown
Created from past life to perform,Illicit function, I fail this conscious
Madness I man/machine imperfection
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05-07-2007, 07:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-07-2007, 07:52 PM by SerialExpLain.)
#36
Are You Going To Heaven?
Mark 3:28
I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.

Men, DSB...not monsters.

Repentence is a condition for sins to be forgiven. That REQUIRES A CONSCIENCE! Not judging means not going around on a witch hunt for potential psychopaths -- However, God knew what Cain was and wasn't going to do!!


John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Matthew 13:24 - 30
24 ¶ Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 [b]Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn[/b].



1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Matthew 25: 32-41
32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

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Read: Snakes in a Suit, Watch: The Good Son. Watch: The Bad Seed. Educate yourself in the latest determinations on the classification of psychopaths as taxons. Then contradict with some substance and not just stating DSB has proclaimed, kk.

The Mark of Cain: Psychoanalytic Insight and the Psychopath - The Mark of Cain makes available for the first time the accumulated psychoanalytic ...

http://www.socialpsychologyarena.com/books...bn9780881633108
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05-07-2007, 09:43 PM,
#37
Are You Going To Heaven?
There is no such thing as "getting to heaven". There is only a knowing that you are already there. There is an accepting, an understanding, not a working for or a striving.

You cannot go to where you already are. To do that you would have to leave where you are, and that would defeat the whole purpose of the journey.

Enlightenment is the understanding that there is nowhere to go, nothing to do, and nobody you have to be except exactly who you are being right now.

You are on a journey to nowhere.



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05-07-2007, 10:05 PM,
#38
Are You Going To Heaven?
You are presently in heaven?...low standards.

Enjoy the "Golden Age"
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05-07-2007, 11:11 PM,
#39
Are You Going To Heaven?
The whole idea of Heaven is bullshit. It's the utopian dream that humans have in order to keep from turning into complete sociopathic zombies. Hell was invented to scare the shit out of people, turning them into sheep.

Both of these are nothing more than concepts. In our lives we constantly traverse between fun and boring, happy and sad, angry and complacent, love and hate, etc... The now is definitely not heaven. That's a granola eating sedona redrock-newage concept .


To answer the question, no. To further, if there was one I wouldn't want to be there. It would be just as bad as eternal damnation, but millions of times less interesting. Heaven is the ulitmate flat-line.
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05-07-2007, 11:25 PM,
#40
Are You Going To Heaven?
You know it all...so definitely that's the bottom line.:rolleyes:
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05-07-2007, 11:57 PM,
#41
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:You know it all...so definitely that's the bottom line.:rolleyes:

I was just stating my opinion. This you know it all passive aggresive shit is douchey.
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05-08-2007, 12:26 AM,
#42
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:THE BIBLE RINGS TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE ON THE EARTH.

IT IS THE TRUTH!

Yep, totally agree.

Good stuff Serial, remain steadfast.:)
Yo
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05-08-2007, 12:43 AM,
#43
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:THE BIBLE RINGS TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE ON THE EARTH.

IT IS THE TRUTH!

That's just as stonewall as my statement. You're a hypocrite dude.
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05-08-2007, 02:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-08-2007, 02:29 AM by rockclimber.)
#44
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:
Quote:THE BIBLE RINGS TRUE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE ON THE EARTH.

IT IS THE TRUTH!


That's just as stonewall as my statement. You're a hypocrite dude.


No shit?

Point to anyone who hasn't ever been a hypocrite.

I try not to be, but I well know when I slip up and those are not my best or proudest moments.

Do you forgive me? I forgive you!:)
Yo
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05-08-2007, 02:28 AM,
#45
Are You Going To Heaven?
Quote:This you know it all passive aggresive shit is douchey.


:ok:
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