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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
05-09-2007, 10:58 PM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I just downloaded and listened to the VT-shooting special from Alex Jones radio show and I was absolutely shocked to hear him blame videogames, (correct me if I'm wrong) he even said something really bizarre like games like Doom is intentioally made as propaganda to teach kids to kill (or something like that) which is something I would expect from some corrupt politician (who wants to hide the real issues and use games as a espacegoat) but hearing it from Alex made me really discredit most of his theories.

IMO it's vital that I know for sure that the people teaching me concspiracy theores are speaking a 100% true, because if they are lieing about just 1 thing that's when I can't trust them no more, for example I really liked George Greens speach on US economy then when I found out that he claims to have talked face to face with aliens from outer space (and even shows photo "proof" of this, which was hilarious because I'm a proffesional effects-artist so I know how to make real looking fake photos so I can say that the photos he showed was pathetically amatuerish) I had to forget all he told me because even tho it sounded true I just can't believe him on that if he is lieing on something else,
and the same I'm wondering with Alex now, If he believes violate games influences kids that's one thing but saying there's a conspiracy in the game industry is just ridicolous, I don't personally know any of the developers from the games Alex mentioned (doom) but I do know lots from other so-called "murder-simulators" (let's just say I have a strong insider connection with grand theft auto) and just the though that there would be a conspiracy behind it I find a bit hard to believe.

What do you guys think?
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05-11-2007, 01:15 AM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I was a bit taken back by his blaming video games as well. If I remember right he was more concerned with the prozac which he theorized sent him into a dreamlike state where he couldnt distinguish the video games from reality. His reasoning is that those 2 factors can generally reduce the inhibition to kill. He also mentioned that he believes it to be a "manchurian candidate" type of conditioning. I could see a psy-op brainwashing case possible with him, perhaps indoctrinated by some crazy doctor somewhere. I just don't think he was kept in a chamber where he was fed prozac and made to play HL2 all day. I think since he was already insane, those 2 factors had an effect, possibly reducing his inhibition to kill and may have become a pawn of intellegence spooks before the shooting.

The games aren't the problem, it's the lunatics that get brainwashed by it that are the real concern. The games can't be blamed for that. neither should video game players be likened to these idiots. I see the reasoning behind what AJ is saying, but if he's wrong on it it's because he didn't think out his statement properly, not because he's lying to everyone. One error is no reason to discredit an entire mountain of works, research and his mission to awaken the public at large to 9/11 truth.
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05-11-2007, 01:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-11-2007, 01:40 AM by harflimon.)
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I don't agree with Alex on this issue.

Still the way games are going it seems like money is going towards violence. Is that following open market trends or are the ones with the money directing the market? I don't think anyone is blaming the individual coders/video game makers as being part of the conspiracy. But the constant inundation of violence from our society from movies, TV, and video games seems to be a coordinated attempt by the social engineers and foundations to control our population to being violent warriors.

Plus I don't see this as AJ lying. It's hard to lie when stating an opinion. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make it a lie.
The belief in 'coincidence' is the prevalent superstition of the Age of Science.

&I don't understand why you're taking such a belligerant tone when you're obviously the ignorant one here. &
-triplesix
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05-11-2007, 01:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-11-2007, 01:59 AM by r3d.)
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
The way i understood it was that Alex said that videogames like doom (first person shooters) have originally been developed by the army to be used as a combat simulator much like they also originally developed the flight sims for the army, to have a cheaper way to train the troops. Later on when the technology became available in households they were used as the basis for all those games we have now. I did not get the feeling he was blaming the videogames, but he did mention them as one of the factors that create madmen like the guy that did the VT shooting, not necessarily the VT shooter himself.

The major blame was put on the prohibition of firearms on campus grounds and psychotropic drugs like Prozac as far as i can remember.
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05-11-2007, 03:00 AM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I shit you not. Last year I entered the arcade at the local theater before watching a movie. That's when I suspected the same thing about video games that Alex was talking about. What I saw were three first person shooter games where you the player are some state-owned black op type of dude who invades houses and shoots up all the rural militia-looking folks in there. I couldn't fuckin' believe it. It's shaping opinion on so many levels.

There is NO FREAKIN' WAY that something that is consuming so much time and money in our society as video games, and in particular first-person styled shootup games, without The Man being intimately involved in their usage a design.

People train with flight similators. Cops and the military train with games that are VERY much like the games many of us play. Has no one seen those videos of cops training with this software? I remember first seeing cops train with that shit in the 1980s on regular tv, like 60 minutes or something.

With respect to the first poster, you all are suckers. I'm not saying don't enjoy the games, but at fuckin' least KNOW what they are....

As for a "conspiracy" in the gaming industry, understand that all it takes is for a bank to give better lending to the companies that design these things than to the ones that don't. It's subtle, and takes very very few people in the know to shape the entire gaming landscape.

Here's a fun one. Check this one out why don't you all... http://www.americasarmy.com/
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05-11-2007, 07:42 AM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Quote:Here's a fun one. Check this one out why don't you all... http://www.americasarmy.com/

So is this site aimed at those who are already gamers to get them to join up?
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05-11-2007, 08:24 AM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Finally some replies, thanks guys:)

Quote:..videogames like doom (first person shooters) have originally been developed by the army to be used as a combat simulator..
Ah now I get it, I missunderstood a bit, I thought he was saying that Doom is a example of a game originally developed by the army which is what I won't believe in a hundred years (even if just in secrecy or whatever) but after reading that sentence I now realize he may have been saying that videogames that resembles games like Doom was developed by the army, which is a whole other thing (doesn't hint at a conspiracy).

AJ Lieing
Yeah I don't believe AJ would intentioally lie either but I still have my "100%-true"-argument because if he wasn't intentioally lieing BUT was shouting out a theory (with authority like if he have evidence from a insider) without caring first to check that it's true then that would be simlar to lieing IMO.

Prozac\drugs
true, Frozn, his main oppinion was about that and VG was just second, my point is just that if I can't believe his VG statement (which I'm a expert at) then I will have a hard time believing that other theory that the goverment intentioally sent the shooter to kill the students (or whatever he said) (which I know very little about so I have to be careful not to buy into any theories too easily).

Violate games
I do agree with harflimon that most games are very violate, maybe even to the point where it can influence people (for example I hate graffiti so I'm worried every time a games like Marc Ecko Getting Up comes out which is all about spraying graffiti and avoiding cops), but I'm not going to defend that here because my point is manly how AJ (and others) lists games as one of the main reasons behind mass killings (which IMO would be maybe the 999th reason).
As for violate games being the main market because NWO influence them (for example by easier letting them loan for financing and stuff) I don't really believe (althou I wouldn't say it's impossible because obviously that's way over my head, publishers are very secretive, my publisher won't even tell us how many units our game has sold!),
I have designed and made independent games by myself (one man team) and they naturally turn into killing in some way or another (that's just what's most fun to play often) and I've also intentioally set off to make a game where the main design point is "no violence whatsoever" (but still epic with storyline cuz I hate sports games) and was suprised to notice that that's incredibly hard to even design so my point being I think that's why the market is hyper-violent (but I'm not saying it's proof in any way).

Americas Army
Is a very interesting game, it marks a milestone in socalled Serious Games, it was developed as a recruitment tool (but thankfully even non-US-citizens who can't join US army can play it anyway) and was extremly critized by most of the army managment and tax-payers who wasn't keen that their taxes goes to develop videogames (I've read many interviews with the developers behind the very first version who was under incredible pressure) but it turned out to be like 10x as effective as any other recruitment tool and like 100x as cheap (I have forgot the #'s so just guessing) so if the NWO has their fingers in the VG industry they probably opened their eyes after this huge sucsess:)
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05-11-2007, 09:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-11-2007, 09:30 AM by rockclimber.)
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I'm totally with Alex on this one. Think about it this way, it's very elementary: garbage in, garbage out, that is if you are disputing the idea that video games affect a person or the mind. In small doses, perhaps not a great deal, in large doses, undeniably so.

Now I know many of you hate to here this because you love your video games but it is true.

I played Doom on a 33megahertz pentium, with 16mbs of ram (yes that long ago) and thought it was great fun. I poured HOURS into that game. But I noticed that whenever I finished playing it I felt anxious and often violent. Well gee, I asked myself..why? Well to begin with I just spent hours passionately enjoying a game where I was killing countless demons, over and over again.

Over the years the games have made leaps in technology and are darned near real. They are filled with smut and violence and hidden agendas. Compound this senseless violence and programming with network television, movies, setting aside the fact that many video game players isolate themselves from others, minus mom and dad from many homes, and this a picture begins to emerge. In my view, much of this violence and desensitization compounded by TV and movies is actually reflected in many of the youths attitudes today. (especially the missing parent, and I'm not trying to hurt feelings here)

I don't need to complicate this with much more detail. It's really that simple. If you input garbage your output will be garbage. Birds of a feather flock together. When I hung out with assholes, I eventually became one. (and am still one in many ways, so spare me that lol)

I believe your argument is whether or not video games are made by the military or from others for nefarious reasons. I don't doubt it, but I can't say with 100% certainty but he is definitely on to something. Bottom line, we are intentionally being dumbed down to be passive and there are many means by which they have done it. Via TV, videogames, drugs, ground water, they are doing it. Passive is good for them.

Anyway, I may be off a bit from the premise of your post, but couldn't resist throwing in my 2-cents.;)
Yo
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05-11-2007, 10:57 PM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Quote:I'm totally with Alex on this one. Think about it this way, it's very elementary: garbage in, garbage out, that is if you are disputing the idea that video games affect a person or the mind. In small doses, perhaps not a great deal, in large doses, undeniably so.

Let's not go in too deep if games influence violance or not (because that's a neverending discussion) but the thing is Alex (and many politicians) are saying games are one of (and some cases THE) MAIN reason for school shootings, is that really right?

If you count up everything that's negative in todays world and school, IMO there's 999 things much more worrying than videogames that might actually be good reasons to go berserk, but solving many of those 999 things would require real work and an non-corrupt goverment which is why I believe there's so many politicians who wants to blame videogames because as long as you blame it you never have to adress the real issue and you can ALWAYS blame games, you might think it's just the hyper-violate ones that gets blame for stuff, but even games that are non violent and promotes creativity gets blamed - remember how jack tompson (the guy who minutes after the VT shootings were on Fox news blaming games) accused the devs of Sims 2 co-operating with the porno industry to put subliminal advertizment in their game?
Thankfully few took that seriously but in the future when all violate videogames are banned and the shootings still happens (but now even worse, because the society problems are still there but probably even worse) anyone can just go pointing fingers again "it is those videogames fault!" and at crisis after tragic events where the real issue to blame is skillfully hidden there will always be people willing to jump to the easiest thing to blame.

And I guess what my point is is that I though AJ would be the guy to expose those skillfully hidden real reasons rather than going the easy way by blaming videogames.

So summary of my oppinion: Real fixes requires real work. Fake fixes (but still looks good from outside) just requires censoring other peoples real work.
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05-16-2007, 10:50 AM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I PLAY THE SPEICLAIST MOD HARDCORE PLUS NINJA GAIDNE,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8airDfzB6lA...ted&search=

GAHHHHH old teaser, its gets sooooo crazy
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05-16-2007, 11:20 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-16-2007, 11:23 AM by geg.)
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Alex Jones is a commendable investigator when it comes to politics but falls short in all other areas he attempts to utilize in his "campaign". Alex is your average Christian who utilizes common Christian fear tactics to gain his audiences trust. The "Blame it on Video games" is a common Christian tactic that is downgrading and just plane lazy.

When someone states that violent content causes violence...they are really saying that PEOPLE are not capable of assessing the content...so it should be taken away. I've been part of an online gaming community for years and have NEVER met anyone who cannot assess a game is a game. The members of the community are no more aggressive, offensive, mentally unsound or anything...than anyone else. The only element of a person that is ENHANCED by this arena is their competive nature. That is what gaming is all about...a release of something that we should never lose...competitive instict.

America's Army was definetly created as a new recruitment tool but has also aided in developing video game ranges vs. live fire ranges. Troops spend more time shooting at video screens now then shooting live ammo (which is EXTREMELY expensive).

So video games have their benefits and I rather have them, have a choice rather than have no choice.
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05-16-2007, 12:43 PM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I'm with AJ on this too.

Hell, I'm starting a little investigation into Atari, Nintendo, Sega & especially Nintendo's Mario Brothers & ID's Doom. I would love to get some interviews with the staff who worked on those first video games that are embedded in our memory.

You guys saw the you tube video about guitar hero with all the pagan symbols and such. Check out this concen thread on it:
http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?sh...;hl=guitar+hero

Quote:Mario Brothers:

"One day the kingdom of the peaceful mushroom people was invaded by the Koopaa tribe of turtles famous for their black magic. The quiet, peace-loving Mushroom People were turned into mere stones, bricks and even field horse-hair plants, and the Mushroom Kingdom fell into ruin.

The only one who can undo the magic spell on the Mushroom People and return them to their normal selves is the Princess Toadstool, the daughter of the Mushroom King. Unfortunately, she is presently in the hands of the great Koopa turtle king.

Mario, the hero of this story (maybe) hears about the Mushroom People's plight and sets out on a quest to free the Mushroom Princess from the evil Koopa and restore the fallen kingdom of the Mushroom People.

You are Mario! It's up to you to save the Mushroom People from the black magic of the Koopa!"

Quote:Doom:

"The player takes the role of a nameless space marine (referred to as "Doomguy" by many fans), "one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action", who has been deported to Mars for assaulting a senior officer when ordered to kill unarmed civilians. He is forced to work for the Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC), a military-industrial conglomerate that is performing secret experiments with teleportation between the moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos. Suddenly, something goes wrong and creatures from Hell come out of the teleportation gates, or "Gateways". A defensive response from base security fails to halt the invasion, and the bases quickly get overrun by demons; all personnel are killed or turned into zombies. At the same time, Deimos vanishes entirely. A UAC team from Mars is sent to Phobos to investigate the incident, but soon radio contact ceases and only one human is left alive — the player, whose task is to make it out alive"
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05-16-2007, 06:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-16-2007, 06:47 PM by rockclimber.)
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Quote:Alex Jones is a commendable investigator when it comes to politics but falls short in all other areas he attempts to utilize in his "campaign". Alex is your average Christian who utilizes common Christian fear tactics to gain his audiences trust. The "Blame it on Video games" is a common Christian tactic that is downgrading and just plane lazy.

When someone states that violent content causes violence...they are really saying that PEOPLE are not capable of assessing the content...so it should be taken away. I've been part of an online gaming community for years and have NEVER met anyone who cannot assess a game is a game. The members of the community are no more aggressive, offensive, mentally unsound or anything...than anyone else. The only element of a person that is ENHANCED by this arena is their competive nature. That is what gaming is all about...a release of something that we should never lose...competitive instict.

America's Army was definetly created as a new recruitment tool but has also aided in developing video game ranges vs. live fire ranges. Troops spend more time shooting at video screens now then shooting live ammo (which is EXTREMELY expensive).

So video games have their benefits and I rather have them, have a choice rather than have no choice.


It seems you making cheap shots to make your point. You obviously love your video games and you rationalize your playing them. This is elementary stuff. As I said before, garbage in, garbage out. Just because you don't believe it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it's true. Take a game like Grand Theft Auto played by many teenagers and even pre-teens and I can almost guarantee you that they aren't 'assessing' the content after 20 or more hours of play. Sounds like your bias of Christians stands in the way of your logic. And no one is saying "take them away". Have you heard anyone here say that? It's about choices and good parents would use some discretion and actually help their child choose a good game and limit their activity. Some kids/adults play video games to the point where it is obsessive. Btw, you can have a competitive instinct by playing baseball to a game of cards, etc., much healthier choices than say "grand theft auto". I'm not knocking ALL games mind you.

And to Bulletproof: No, I'm not saying that video games necessarily cause school shooters to flip out, but you can possibly attribute it partially to the disturbed minds of Harris and Klebold, as I believe they were Doom fanatics. However as I said before, it's not video games by themselves that are causing all problems, but they compounded by many of the other factors I listed (and countless others) contribute to a morally degraded society and it's many ills.

There is no doubt in my mind that video games program the mind, much like a TV. No doubt at all.
Yo
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05-16-2007, 07:29 PM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
I agree with that to Rockclimber but its not just games how many films music insert (whatever) also contribute. Its your environment even then is still the person will to follow it or not.

Before videogames it was rock and roll then rap music then games. In the grand scheme of things they are there to occupy you so not to to give to much thought to the important things. (refering to entertainment in general not just games)

Just look at the Sony pr fiasco with a goats head, then think think about the whos who at bohemian grove. I don't doubt the ability to placate people with entertainment but to put it at one genre is wrong imo.
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05-16-2007, 10:41 PM,
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Alex Jones Blames Videogames For Vt Shooting
Oh shit, where are my manners? 2nd post here. Hello everyone. I really enjoy the forums and the content here. I'm a regular Alex Jones listener and semi-active in the 9/11 truth movement here in Cincinnati.

I don't recall AJ saying video games should be banned or anything of the sort. Only the general idea that weak minded people on SRUI medications for depression, unable to distinguish the violence in games from reality, could have their fragile perspective on reality influenced by violent shooting games. We could blame many other factors, but my main gripe on the VA tech shooting is with the Mainstream Media. These bottom-feeding scum who prey on tragedy for sales and ratings made this guy into a hero. They irresponsibly crammed the badass images of him in armor, brandishing pistols, with disregard for the families who lost loved ones in the tragic shooting.

Any psychologist worth his salt will tell you that the bombardment of such apparent praise for irresponsible lunacy can effect the decisions of other wackos who might later try and do something similar to achieve a sort of "immortality" or fame. Instead of waving the bloody shirt and devoting nearly 24 hour coverage to this sort of thing, it should have been portrayed as an embarassment to our nation and an example of the erosion of the morals we once stood for. Then the aspiring psychopath would realize he would go down in history as an embarrasment, a stain on the good name of our country, and be less likely to seek fame in this manner. Our MSM is tabloid junk, and doing more harm to our country than any video game ever could. I still agree with Alex Jones, but I still have doubts as to the killer being a Psy-Op.
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