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Sorry To Ask, But About No-planers...
10-29-2007, 01:26 PM,
#61
Sorry To Ask, But About No-planers...
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Quote:No one is talking about Nico Haupt. You have to go and listen to him..! He was one of the first and foremost 9/11 researchers (long before the scholars, the bloggers or the loose change crew). He was also one of the first no-planers and exotic weapons guys.

He's German, so it's quite hard to follow him at first, but you get used to it. Also look for Ghengis, an Australian guy who seems to have a pretty good handle on things.

The 9/11 video mashups are just plane wierd, it's like an underground movement of dance music and video imagery, I guess it's an artistic expression of sorts, but it does kinda piss me off a little.

No-planes is important because it implicates a larger number of different people (not just the obvious fall guys). There seems to be a lot of arguments / counter arguments and shit to wade through at the moment. I'm still not sure where I stand. The no plane thing intrigues me and a great deal of it makes a lot of sense o me. I'm coming round to exotic weapons at the WTC as well, and I feel that September Clues and 911 Octopus just cannot be ignored.

It makes sense that cointelpro would infiltrate the truth movement. It makes sense that they would put a theory like NPT out there to marginalise the masses. But it also makes sense for them to infiltrate the more mainstream movement in order to control the outcome and ensure that only the obvious patsies (Cheyney, Rumsfeld, Bush and Wolferwitz) go down, while at the same time keeping the real perps safe and sound.

I read a great article called Nazis Didn't loose The War, but the link seems to be dead now, here's an excerpt anyway...

Quote:So now we need pretend justice for it. Cartoon villains like Silverstein and Bush who were really just the puppets to do the dirty work are on the front line to take the fall. When the acceptance of an inside job becomes mainstream, then the outrage levels will be so out of control that no one will care about wanting to know the deeper story. They'll just want justice and revenge for the bad guys.

As with WW2 and Nazism, the real designers keep their hands clean, paint themselves as the justice givers, and use the subsequent shock and outrage as the tool for moving on to the next scam, and building the next nightmare.

The main official story was never designed to last all that long. There's too many holes in it. Just long enough to commit unspeakable atrocities in the phony "retaliation" which itself will then raise the horror and outrage level when the "truth" comes out.

I noticed one of the talking points of the no planes movement is that Silverstein is a nobody & a limited hangout, just a fall guy that leads nowhere. This to me is one of the most suspiscious things about them, as well as the mainline truth movement. What do they both have in common? Zionist denial. The Zionist side is the most honest movement, it doesn't even matter if they used planes or not. It's interesting but ultimately trivial. What matters is taking on the criminal network that carried out 9/11 that neither the mainline truth movement or the majority of the no planes movement are ever gonna pinpoint, which is suspiscious to the rest of us who figured it out after a relatively short period of time.

I think the Zionism movement is being used, 100%. DBS and EH (don't know enough about Bollyn to say anything about being compromised) are obviously being used to discredit it all. I think it's as honest as every other 9/11 movement, everyone wants to end the tyranny, but they've been turned into the crazy of the crazy, anti-Semites who go to Iranian rallies to destroy the queers, I think they've been given these dead ends like Silverstein and a lot of other names that just add more confusion

See there it is again, that's the talking point of the no-plane movement. Silverstein is not a dead end at all, that's complete nonsense. He leads to Frank Lowy, Benjamin Netanyahu, Ronald Lauder who owns a training camp for the Mossad in Israel, is a huge contributor to Zionist organizations. Watch the first hour of Ring of Power & read the article I linked to as well. I don't know what you're talking about about Iranian rallies & stuff. The so-called anti-Zionist movement is actually just the 9/11 truth movement for thinking people in my opinion. The media's owned by Zionists, the WTC was owned by Zionists, the Mossad was involved, hardly any Israelis dies & it's admitted a warning went out. It's blatantly in your face, go listen to TFC's archive of audio files instead of just slamming them on their personality flaws. If you're not worried about being called an anti-semite you can pretty much solve 9/11, that's why a lot of people who look at Zionism don't really talk about 9/11 that much anymore besides referencing it here & there but have moved on to looking at the bigger picture (with 9/11 included), while the rest of the truthers go on endlessly debating planes, etc.

Well I didn't mention those points because absolutely noone is debating whether the Mossad was a military factor in the attack, the debate is whether Silverstein is worth the time of day. All the leads you mentioned are obviously note worthy but if it didn't come from him it'd come from somewhere else, he's way out in the public, does actual appearances on just shows (wasn't he on the View?), he's just this weird kinda spokesman who sounds like and acts like a gigantic Jew.

The publics perception is everything, the JFK assassination got HUGE in the public eye from the 70's through the late 80's because it was so easy to nail these pricks. The head doesn't go forward, Oswald was this, everyone saw Ruby kill him, than the Johnson connection came up, those are 4 out in the open facts that the public just completely latched onto.

I think we should investigate Silverstein since he obviously knew people and the picture's becoming clearer every day and will for the next few years, but this movement won't be the one to crack the public, it's contrived, requires people to know dozens of obscure names, and to "the person" has all kinds of hints of racism.

Which leads me back again to why I think the movement is completely compromised, why not? If the no-planes movement is compromised and Tarpley's an agent and blah blah blah, why not these two 9 year olds feuding over their personal blogs, openly citing peoples drug use and threatening them with violence, EH will NEVER be on any show unless it's David Letterman to play that clip while Dave just stares at him and says ".... and you say that you have Earth shattering knews that.... the Jews did 9/11?" not to mention the blatant nonchalant racism of his site (the "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" were my final straw).

I think the people, the people of the Zionism movement, if they want it to matter, need to distance themselves immediately from these clowns they've elected to represent them and start a brand new movement because it is very different in it's approach than the "AJ/LC" type movement, I digress though
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10-29-2007, 04:26 PM,
#62
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Quote:Which leads me back again to why I think the movement is completely compromised, why not? If the no-planes movement is compromised and Tarpley's an agent and blah blah blah, why not these two 9 year olds feuding over their personal blogs, openly citing peoples drug use and threatening them with violence, EH will NEVER be on any show unless it's David Letterman to play that clip while Dave just stares at him and says ".... and you say that you have Earth shattering knews that.... the Jews did 9/11?" not to mention the blatant nonchalant racism of his site (the "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" were my final straw).

What are you talking about?
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10-30-2007, 05:06 AM,
#63
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Quote:Which leads me back again to why I think the movement is completely compromised, why not? If the no-planes movement is compromised and Tarpley's an agent and blah blah blah, why not these two 9 year olds feuding over their personal blogs, openly citing peoples drug use and threatening them with violence, EH will NEVER be on any show unless it's David Letterman to play that clip while Dave just stares at him and says ".... and you say that you have Earth shattering knews that.... the Jews did 9/11?" not to mention the blatant nonchalant racism of his site (the "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" were my final straw).

What are you talking about?

If we are to found a new "Truth" group, meant to expose anything the "mainstream Truth" group won't, the first step is distancing ourselves from any group or person that is harmful to the overall goal
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10-30-2007, 01:05 PM,
#64
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Quote:Which leads me back again to why I think the movement is completely compromised, why not? If the no-planes movement is compromised and Tarpley's an agent and blah blah blah, why not these two 9 year olds feuding over their personal blogs, openly citing peoples drug use and threatening them with violence, EH will NEVER be on any show unless it's David Letterman to play that clip while Dave just stares at him and says ".... and you say that you have Earth shattering knews that.... the Jews did 9/11?" not to mention the blatant nonchalant racism of his site (the "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" were my final straw).

What are you talking about?

If we are to found a new "Truth" group, meant to expose anything the "mainstream Truth" group won't, the first step is distancing ourselves from any group or person that is harmful to the overall goal

No but the thing you said about someone having a site with the words "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" on it, who are you are talking about?
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10-30-2007, 01:38 PM,
#65
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Quote:Which leads me back again to why I think the movement is completely compromised, why not? If the no-planes movement is compromised and Tarpley's an agent and blah blah blah, why not these two 9 year olds feuding over their personal blogs, openly citing peoples drug use and threatening them with violence, EH will NEVER be on any show unless it's David Letterman to play that clip while Dave just stares at him and says ".... and you say that you have Earth shattering knews that.... the Jews did 9/11?" not to mention the blatant nonchalant racism of his site (the "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" were my final straw).

What are you talking about?

If we are to found a new "Truth" group, meant to expose anything the "mainstream Truth" group won't, the first step is distancing ourselves from any group or person that is harmful to the overall goal

No but the thing you said about someone having a site with the words "Zioniggers and Ziocoons" on it, who are you are talking about?

I swear on everything, on DBS's website about 2 weeks ago (maybe less) he had a link to an article he wrote on the Jena 6 case and it revolved around how the media overlooked a black kid being beaten to death in a courtyard of a juvi center by the guards, instead focusing on th Jena 6, and DBS callled Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson "Zioniggers" and "Ziocoons", I can't find it right now, in fact I can barely find a mention of Jena 6 on either DBS or EH sites but it was there, I swear on everything, I'm gonna keep searching though
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10-30-2007, 02:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 10-30-2007, 02:44 PM by nataraja.)
#66
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hi

I was pretty much tired of anything 9/11 as of 2 months ago, i would of still watched the new loose change when it would of been released but i wouldnt of expected to find anything out new.

but then i came across september clues, this has realy brought me back to the event as it brings in a completely new and different angle to the conspiracy, and one which we could say has hard evidence and is far more the smoking gun than wtc7 if its all true that is...

after watching september clues my first reaction was that it was either mis info or he was faking the media footage. So i hunted down the cnn and fox and abc news footage of the day to see if his analysis of the days footage could be authenticated. Now the guy who analysed the footage clearly knows a thing or two about video and audio as he created a video for a start. this is just common sense. Now all over the net there is 100s if not 1000s of people who havnt watched the entire clip and havnt took the time to download and rewatch the media footage but yet have so much to say about it. this is not smart.

some of the points he makes in the video are more conclusive than others, i like to focus on the conclusive ones as its easier to prove, which is pretty obvious.

1) planes approach paths on different networks didnt match up.
This for me is pretty clear and unquestionable.

2) famous "helicopter shot" which shows the noes out
ok ill avoid the nose out cause people just love to make up whatever they can to justify that mistake but ill focus on the fact that before the zoom in there was no plane in the picture and another shot of the approach shows the plane having a perfectly horizontal approach. this for me is also unquestionable.

3) the types of planes they say hit the bulidings have a maximum speed of under 600miles p/h at high altitude but at 700ft would break apart at that speed. I beleive it was the shot that went out for international distribution and appeard on the bbc that showed a plane hitting wtc tower but didnt show the hit as the camera angle didnt allow it. if you work out how much metres we saw of the plane and how many seconds it took to complete that path you can work out its speed. it was going too fast.

above is only three of the points to which i think are most difficult to question, but there is many more.

OK SO THERE WAS NO PLANES... WTF?

the questions people always come up with because they just cant accept the fact that they were fooled once again for so many years.

1) what happened to the people on the planes...
hello, we are saying there were no planes. thus the people "on the planes" were never on any planes, thus we have to find out how many people actually surrposivly lost relatives on the "planes". wikipedia althought not a trust worthy source for such info says that only a relativly small amount of phone calls were made from the planes (compared to how many passengers were on the planes) and the 9/11 commission only focused on a few of those phone calls in detail. if somone has the time in their life, and is in the usa, it would be realy interesting if they would hunt down the passenger list of those two "planes" and then goto all the familes and interview them and find out as much as they can about this aspect of the event.

2) somone would come out and say somthing this sort of thing would require 1000s of people involved.
one word, departmentalization.
The fox, cnn, abc news anchors had no idea what they were seeing were fake planes. How many people would it realy require to manipulate the live news broadcast of multiple networks...as little as possible i would think. Also if i was involved in a conspiracy of killing 1000s of people voluntary or not i would be fucking scared to come out. scared of the people that are behind it and scared of what would happen to me if i did, and also where would i go ? the truth movement ? the news media ? who would listen ?
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then you have two aspects but realy the same sort of thing, the people on the ground and the people who phoned into the news media.

witnesses on the ground:
there WAS* an actual plane that flew over manhatten at the exact time of the missile attack and as a missile travels at such greater speed than a plane its likely that more people would of seen the plane than the missile and as the event would of produced a state of shock and emotion in people their judgements of the attack could of been slightly compromised.
how many of you guys reading this actually witnessed the attacks 1st hand or atleast know somone or met somone directly who did witness the plane going into the building?
there was loads of people saying they saw a missile or atleast saying that they didnt see any plane live on the news. some even almost ended up turning into an argument live on air.

phone calls:
all the phone calls were from news media employees some inconsistancies exist within the phone calls ie people saying they saw the attack when it was impossible from that distance and audio inconsistencies exist
within the phone calls, explosions and background sounds do not sync up with other videos and audio tapes.

not every person that phoned in mentioned planes, only some.

now please dont pick one bit of my argument and then think you have disproved the entire "no plane" theory. thats just not the way it works.

may logic and common sense prevail!

* Although there is no proof of an actual plane flying over manhatten on the day (that didnt hit anything) there is smudges in the news media footage and witnesses that have said they saw a plane (one that didnt hit anything). but for me this is a very weak aspect of the no plane theory.
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10-30-2007, 03:30 PM,
#67
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Excellent post Nataraja.

You'll get no arguments from me. I believe:

No Planes, but missiles.
Fake footage.
Fake / confused witnesses.
Exotic weapons at WTC 1 and 2.
Standard demolition at WTC 7.

And could the NPT Skeptics stop talking about holograms. Hologram technology (even if it were pssible) wasn't required.
Dave.

Are you listening?
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11-01-2007, 05:59 AM,
#68
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FINALLY--


Thank you Nataraja! I think you're understanding what happened. It is just a MEDIA HOAX. No holograms. No planes. Maybe even no missiles. Just explosions in the buildings. And somebody inserted some graphic images into the video of 'planes' that just flew right into the buildings just prior to the explosions. Right where they were supposed to hit the buildings. And then they broadcast those doctored videos so all of humanity could be fooled by them. So all of humanity would believe 19 Arab hijackers attacked the WTC and Pentagon with planes'. Hey, there were no planes at the Pentagon either. Nor at Shanksville PA. Does anybody have any parts from any planes that supposedly did this?

Oh no. But you and me and everybody else saw it on TV. We saw 'planes'. It never dawned on us that this could be a big visual lie! That our media was deceiving us--that our media was one of the conspirators in 911. Oh no. That's a little too far fetched. The media wouldn't deceive us like that, would they?

I'll bet you didn't read my earlier post in this thread--on page 2 or so above. Seems like nobody else on this forum did either. Go back and read it. Also, if you want a really comprehensive story about 'no planes' check out Matt Marriott's blog 911 for Dummies here:

http://911-for-dummies.blogspot.com/

So when you hear people talking about planes, you'll know that the lights haven't turned on for them yet. They believe what they saw on TV. Once you're convinced it was fake, then everything else about 911 falls into place.

mkg
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03-21-2008, 06:26 PM,
#69
Sorry To Ask, But About No-planers...
No apology for FAKE videos yet.

Yeah, its all real.

Go check out planes on you camcorder, get the whole flight.

That should be a reality contest because it can't be done.
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04-11-2008, 04:49 AM,
#70
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Ive watched alot of pro-no plane videos

Gotta say i agree with it now
the bluescreen is pretty obvious with all the different colors in the film and the whole
nose out to blackout thing
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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04-11-2008, 09:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-11-2008, 09:26 AM by fjaneson.)
#71
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While I agree that the videos and films are not to be trusted, since they all come from the Mainstream Media,
I can't help thinking that they would sacrifice some sort of planes to lend credence. I mean, it's not like they can't afford it.

The US has thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of spare planes just sitting around in
boneyards out west. Any tanker or jet transport would do, as long as it had a similar engine configuration
to the passenger jets.
Although I could be wrong. I am just throwing this in for speculation.
As for the planes being able to slice through the outer steel skirt of the towers, I don't know....
Directed energy weps have my attention now. Dr. Judy is right to explore this area.
However they dressed it up, we know it was an op. EVERYONE knows it.

No doubt the boffins at Tavistock are hard at work on Mind control devices which will
make sure that the next time they pull off a massive attack, we the people will see exactly what they want us to see.

Remember the BBC piece where the host was talking to a reporter lady who was on scene in NY?
The one where they are discussing how awful the crash of Bldg 7 was? All this while Bldg 7 is still standing over her shoulder?

I wonder if an examination of those directors/producers involved in that particular fiasco
and their subsequent fates/careers might not be useful? Surely someones head rolled for that.
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04-11-2008, 07:34 PM,
#72
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realy get to a point when studying 911 that the evidence seems so unbelievable and so ridiculous that they could of get away with it, that you start to doubt it for that exact reason. this is a tremendous leap in false flag psycology, they have the best minds at work in the world thinking of and designing these psyops. they are not fucking around.

there was no planes on 911
there was 4 missiles on 911 (most likely)

so if that is the case, then that is a massive lie, controlled demo the buildings with people still inside to claim insurance so that you can get billions of $s in an economic system that you own. financial motive seems some what fraudulent to me. the controlled demo of the bulidings in that case can be reduced to an evil this was a psy op to the extent to which the world has never seen. the massive lie however is in the media psyop that is the mechanism used to manipulate and lie. now 911 has moved to another paradigm of research. its no longer realy about the events of the day as its designed to fuck you anyway.

it was not a terrorist attack. it was a intelligence/media psyop to the extent to which the world could have never imagined.
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