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Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
05-19-2007, 10:26 AM,
#1
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Without making a long post about what my ideas on the man are , i'll say
he's done one amazing amount of lectures [somewhere between 1500/2000]
some of which Chris Carota and me have upped to the tracker last week.
Some attribute to Manly the esteem of "freemasonry's most prominent philosopher",
[i think] as he has written and spoken extensivly on a plethora of occult/esoteric principles and
was able to convey them in clear and understandable terms.
Manly was not at all shy at sharing his vast body of knowledge on esoteric/masonry related subjects,
He did so [in what i can hear from the recordings] to all sorts of audiences in a somewhat
informal setting. What i gather from his talks and manner of speaking is that his approach
is non-doctrinal and is primarilly to inform the audience.


so, if you've listened or read to his work,..i'd like to hear your ideas on Hall,
your notion as to his motivations to make his knowledge public, and whether or not
you distrust his intentions/explanations because he is a prominent freemason.
Does Hall represent a knowledge-seeking and sharing , respectable, and well-intentioned side to freemasonry ?

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-19-2007, 07:17 PM,
#2
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Shill :biggrin:
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05-19-2007, 08:04 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-19-2007, 08:06 PM by Rosebery.)
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Quote:Does Hall represent a knowledge-seeking and sharing , respectable, and well-intentioned side to freemasonry ?

peace'
In a nutshell - yes. But please don't forget that no one man can or does speak for Freemasonry. You will only ever get individual views and interpretations. There is no doctrine, no global manifesto etc etc etc.

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05-19-2007, 08:09 PM,
#4
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Quote:Shill :biggrin:
:whythis:
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05-19-2007, 08:46 PM,
#5
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Don't get me wrong...Manly has written some thought provoking stuff...I just feel his style of thinking is Gov't approved and I'm all about denying the Status Quo... Its just Goddamn pieces of paper... and all that...

whatever :biggrin:
Red letters are a composite Law. &...God is, as it were, the sewer into which all contradictions flow.& ~Hegel
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05-19-2007, 10:31 PM,
#6
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Dear Rose Bud,

After reflecting briefly, I get the impression that you approve of Manly's writings? Are you aware he was a Freemason? Not that that necessarily means anything but... aren't they the enemy? At least under current conspiratorial circumstances? At minimum a requisite degree of scrutiny is required in order to properly ascertain the level of hegemonic integration such an organization could potentially pose.. I say this out out pure concern. Are you a Mason? If so what is your function at deny status quo junction? :biggrin:

I abore secrets and believe-firmly- ALL will be made known in due time. I smell barbecue :wink:

whatever
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05-19-2007, 11:33 PM,
#7
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Thanks to whoever it was put his lectures up, I grabbed all of them,
they are good.

Shill or no shill, this is the guy people like David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell
and a whole host of other people like this COPY. I have "The Secret Teachings Of All Ages"
by Manly P Hall and it says in there all the esoteric stuff you're gonna hear from people
these days who, I might add, never fucking mention Manly Palmer Hall or give him any
credit.

He wrote "The Secret Teachings Of All Ages" in 1928 and it even has the 25,920 year
cycle in it, the connotation between William Shakespeare and Sir Francis Bacon, sound
familiar? This is THE book everyone just rips off and give no credit to, pisses me off man!

The book was written almost 80 years ago and if you can read it all, teaches you more than
Icke, Tsarion, Maxwell put together and then some.

Ever seen the Phamacratic Inquisition? Search Google for that, those guys at least
mention it. Me, I just listen to everything I can, without firmly believing this or that,
I am no huge fan of any one person, but the information itself.
&Everybody thinks everybody else thinks on their level& - LeveL
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05-20-2007, 01:03 AM,
#8
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Glad we can keep it on the Level,

I have a COPY of the infamous, "Secret Teachings of All Ages." Can't say I read it all though, I got stuck on the areas that deal with the summoning of other worldy beings. Not that it I was scared just that it turned out to be utter tripe... I own a uiji board and all that...I even got some tarot cards and some guy with 666 gave me an inturpredation, right on this board, need I say more?

Anyhow, in my opinion that mystic stuff just attracts freaks, I include myself in the description [i got sucked in] so it really makes a legitimate study difficult. For Example...

page 15 in the intro says...

"...He who's mind is enslaved to his beastial instincts is philosophically not superior to the brute; he whose rational faculties ponder human affairs is a man; and he whose intellect is elevated to the consideration of divine realities is already a demigod, for he partakes of the luminosity with which his reason has brought him into proximity."

See what I mean? Sounds alot like the apostle Paul and a seeming elucidation on his ranting about how the, "...Spirit lusts against the flesh and flesh against the spirit." Then we have the paradoxical close regarding the indeterminable and unprovable assertion that a person who manages to disavow their animal nature as partaking in some heavenly luminosity; divine understanding... I cry foul. I think the entire work is just a cleverly orchestrated alternative bible thumper's handbook. Of course this just my opinion and as a devout agnostic or whatever I prefer to keep my thinking beast-like... Not that I don't admire the higher philosophic principles outlined therein, its just that I don't think it will do any good.. Hey I'm a beast and a God :biggrin: So right there the preceding seems a little off kilter from my personal experience, but hen again I AM one of a kind. At least in my own MIND.. :biggrin:

Whatever
Red letters are a composite Law. &...God is, as it were, the sewer into which all contradictions flow.& ~Hegel
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05-20-2007, 04:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-20-2007, 04:28 AM by Rosebery.)
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[quote name='nogooddogooder' date='May 19 2007, 10:31 PM' post='69677']
Dear Rose Bud,

After reflecting briefly, I get the impression that you approve of Manly's writings? [/quote] Did I say that?

Quote:Are you aware he was a Freemason? Not that that necessarily means anything
Sort of and youre right it doesn't

Quote:....but... aren't they the enemy?
Errm ..... NO

Quote:At least under current conspiratorial circumstances?
Why so and what does current have to do with it.

Quote:At minimum a requisite degree of scrutiny is required in order to properly ascertain the level of hegemonic integration such an organization could potentially pose. I say this out out pure concern.
Translation please.

Quote:Are you a Mason?
Oh - you guessed! :wink:

Quote:If so what is your function at deny status quo junction? :biggrin:
No different to anyone elses. OK a fair question. I first came here with others to defend attacks on FM on a board over in Europe by a few guys from here (actually it was the old Concen). I stayed while others left. I'm not here as an agent provocateur or a nasty spy for the enemy if that's what youre implying or imagining. Ask around - Ctrl, Woken Sheep, ephilution, MaDiZmS. Even Og with whom I had a bit of a tiff once (well an f'n great stand up row really). Let them say what my function is. Fair?

Quote:I abore secrets
Yeah right and hand on heart you have none at all of our own?

Quote:...and believe-firmly- ALL will be made known in due time.
Indeed.

Quote:I smell barbecue :wink:
But I won't be on it. :biggrin:

Quote:whatever
Whatever.

Cheers


PS Oh and BTW this little habit you have of screwing around with ppls forum names is singularly irritating. Please stop it before you get a slap. :msnslap:
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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05-20-2007, 04:26 AM,
#10
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Sorry - screwed up the quotes function in th one above but I've been up all night and can't be bothered to fix it. Off for a weeks vacation in 3 hours. Go well all.

Cheers
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Please understand that the &Light at the End of the Tunnel& is most likely to be the 7.42 from Kings Cross coming in the opposite direction at Great Speed.
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“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Bapu.
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05-20-2007, 11:12 AM, (This post was last modified: 05-20-2007, 11:14 AM by standvast.)
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haha Rose and NoGooddogooder, thanks both for your replies, i sort of hoped the
discussion could stretch beyond the idea of freemasonry being "the enemy " in general,
because , as Level keenly pointed out, Hall has only been dishing out the information
most of you guys digg Icke or tsarion for , for about 50/60 years longer, and except
in some cases generally doesn't get the credit. [i assume because of him being percieved as "one of them"]

on the side
Yeah Rose is [one of] our inhouse mason[s], i won't vouch for him, but i'll say i appreciate his presence and
contributions to the discussions, he's been around for awhile and has allways been respecting /respectable ,
made constructive posts and has a sense of humor i can appreciate.

Quote:In a nutshell - yes. But please don't forget that no one man can or does speak for Freemasonry. You will only ever get individual views and interpretations. There is no doctrine, no global manifesto

I'm aware and basically agree with your take on that Rose, i ment it in a sense that
Manly is a freemason, there is no getting around that, and allthough he doesn't represent it as
an institution through his lectures, but presents his own views, he is to many craftsmen
a fine example of a freemason, and in my views a person who seeks and shares knowledge/information.

Quote:.I just feel his style of thinking is Gov't approved

Nggd, could you elaborate on that statement please ?
I understand his ties to upper class society are obvious but the information isn't mainstream, not now not then,
considering the consensus information the government imposes on the people ,
in Hall's time and the present, i'd say his views where somewhat controversial...
so what makes you think his views are "government approved" ?

Quote:Off for a weeks vacation in 3 hours. Go well all.

have a nice week, same.

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-20-2007, 04:06 PM,
#12
Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Quote:At least under current conspiratorial circumstances?
Why so and what does current have to do with it.

Current in relation to [i]the current
generational administration. Lets keep it all in the family.

Quote:Translation please.

Eyes wide shut was a rhetorical movie title. Eyes wide open is more direct.

Quote:Let them say what my function is. Fair?

Fair.

Quote:Yeah right and hand on heart you have none at all of our own?

Nope, believe it or not all my dark little secrets are known. Why do I always feel like, somebodys watching me. :biggrin: All eyes on me... :wink:


Quote:Cheers
Cheers


Quote:PS Oh and BTW this little habit you have of screwing around with ppls forum names is singularly irritating. Please stop it before you get a slap. :msnslap:

Ohh? On the bum if you don't mind? :love: :biggrin:
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05-20-2007, 04:25 PM,
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Your Views On Manly Palmer Hall.
Quote:haha Rose and NoGooddogooder, thanks both for your replies, i sort of hoped the
discussion could stretch beyond the idea of freemasonry being "the enemy " in general,
because , as Level keenly pointed out, Hall has only been dishing out the information
most of you guys digg Icke or tsarion for , for about 50/60 years longer, and except
in some cases generally doesn't get the credit. [i assume because of him being percieved as "one of them"]

on the side
Yeah Rose is [one of] our inhouse mason[s], i won't vouch for him, but i'll say i appreciate his presence and
contributions to the discussions, he's been around for awhile and has allways been respecting /respectable ,
made constructive posts and has a sense of humor i can appreciate.

No offence to the Masons or their club, I was merely asking a question in the form of a response, although I do like a good joust every now and again. And their certainly is a lot of rumors being spread about them. Not all of them good.

Quote:In a nutshell - yes. But please don't forget that no one man can or does speak for Freemasonry. You will only ever get individual views and interpretations. There is no doctrine, no global manifesto

Quote:I'm aware and basically agree with your take on that Rose, i ment it in a sense that
Manly is a freemason, there is no getting around that, and allthough he doesn't represent it as
an institution through his lectures, but presents his own views, he is to many craftsmen
a fine example of a freemason, and in my views a person who seeks and shares knowledge/information.

Information sharing to say the least and he was quite good; prolific at it. The information he shares is definitely enriching and could be said to be character building. Well worth a read if your into that sort of thing.

Quote:.I just feel his style of thinking is Gov't approved

Quote:Nggd, could you elaborate on that statement please ?
I understand his ties to upper class society are obvious but the information isn't mainstream, not now not then,
considering the consensus information the government imposes on the people ,
in Hall's time and the present, i'd say his views where somewhat controversial...
so what makes you think his views are "government approved" ?

That's just it... ties to upper crust society, the elite. Aren't the elite and the government one and the same? I suppose my conspiratorial side has become a little more pronounced and my trust in temporal authority diminished. So basically I'm saying that if he had well established ties with the upper crust of society based on his literary output and subject matter and the Gov't is an expression of it? Well, my thinking isn't always logical. But it would seem to indicate by rhetorical device, that his writings are gov approved. Notice rhetorical. :biggrin:


Quote:peace'

Peace
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05-20-2007, 06:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 05-20-2007, 06:51 PM by standvast.)
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Quote:No offence to the Masons or their club, I was merely asking a question in the form of a response, although I do like a good joust every now and again.

hehe, i like a live debate at times, and so does Rosebery.

Quote:Information sharing to say the least and he was quite good; prolific at it. The information he shares is definitely enriching and could be said to be character building. Well worth a read if your into that sort of thing.

Hall was i think, indeed proficient and driven to the spreading of understanding on occult subjects
[occult in the sense of ; esoteric / alternative comparitive religions / simply not well known to most people] or
contributing to the general knowledge ,
enriching the envisionment of a spiritual realm /deeper meaning to everyday concepts,
Would you equate this to a characteristic of the government of either his time or ours, DGGD'er ?

Quote:That's just it... ties to upper crust society, the elite. Aren't the elite and the government one and the same?

Well, no .
i think some members of the government can be considered "elite' ,
as in priviledged, mentally or monetarilly , some would say genetically, but i don't buy that.
the other way around some of the people i think of as Elite, have functions within governments.
But more important ; there are several groups of likeminded individuals, loners, large lobby's
and thinktanks, and small cabals, .. not all these strive after the same, have the same status or influence,
and are certainly not all "eilte' and collectivly conspiring against "the masses". there's thin lines everywhere. :wink:

Quote:So basically I'm saying that if he had well established ties with the upper crust of society based on his literary output and subject matter and the Gov't is an expression of it?

I agree in the sense that he was without doubt part of what is considered the establishment, which
has strong ties to actual government and rule. Hall's work is generally considered scolarly but i
don't think it mirrors much of any governments message , but offers an understanding of
principles, interelations and esoteric philosophy which was not very popular or government
sanctioned to be explained to the masses at his time. I don't think he was revolutinary, or
taking risks by presenting his info / views, I think he wanted this [his views/subject] to be known because he
thought it to be indeed an enrichment, a valuable source of inspiration to people.

peace'
If Thine I that I spy with my own little I Doeth Offend thee ; Pluck It out.

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05-20-2007, 07:16 PM,
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Thanks for taking the time to do what you do :smile: I appreciate your well thought out and knowledgeable responses.

much love my friend.
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