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Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
06-02-2007, 05:16 PM,
#16
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:I love how (actually I despise it) people continually shout and complain about being forced to do things or forced not to do certain things, how they campaign against tyranny and against cruelty and brutality yet are guilty of the very things about which they protest! Total hypocrisy.

Why should people be forced not to eat meat? Why should the fμcking animals be forced into a life of slavery, abuse, and exploitation and then forced to their deaths and usually while they scream and try to resist?

What happens to the non-human animals is egregious and barbaric beyond words. There is no justification for the atrocious way they are regularly treated. Non-human animals are regularly beaten, raped (with machines), tortured, violently abused and murdered. It is vile how this society treats them. It is nothing less than abhorrent and nauseating.

The indifference of humans towards other animals is mind-boggling. The commoditization of our fellow pain-capable, sentient earthlings is nothing less than disgusting and repugnant.

The fact that the vegan diet is nutritionally superior is a side issue.

Agreed it's ridiculous, we are almost as bad as the so-called elite. Wah poor us, oh let me support this industry of castration & murder I'm hungry. I could live without this & be just as healthy but this tastes better.

Quote:Not all animals grown for food are mistreated, just corporate ones. I have cattle and they free range and live a pretty decent life, except the one in the freezer, and he had a good one.
There is nothing unholy about eating meat or not eating meat, there is something bad about demanding that someone does one but not the other. Insisting is one thing but demanding is totally different.
With the GM & GE foods they can basically destroy us and they can with meat to a certain extent. Those of us who organically farm will be forced with CODEX to either stop or convert to their way. Fish already is contaminated in farm raised and many ocean waters. There is however the fear of getting uncontaminated meat from hunting which would kinda of screw up their plan of the GM & GE foods.
I am in a way a vegan. I eat the animal that ate the vegies. Got my whole food group in one bite!

That's not true that there's nothing "unholy" about it, if you're a believer there's a passage in the bible that shows that God does not favor meat eating. Rastas do not eat meat.

I don't necessarily support this action by the British gov't by the way, I know they usually have a trick up their sleeve.
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06-02-2007, 07:13 PM,
#17
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
I like my meat rare !!!

I tried doing just rice, nuts, fruits and veggies once,
I became weak, pail and sickly.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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06-02-2007, 07:18 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2007, 07:18 PM by Ratiocinator.)
#18
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:I tried doing just rice, nuts, fruits and veggies once,
I became weak, pail and sickly.


You went about it the wrong way, as Kenneth Williams would tell you:

http://www.idausa.org/vegandays/famous_bodies_kgw.html
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Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-02-2007, 07:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2007, 07:31 PM by maggot.)
#19
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:I like my meat rare !!!

I tried doing just rice, nuts, fruits and veggies once,
I became weak, pail and sickly.
He means he ate one meal of rice nuts fruits and veggies and became weak pale and sickly. He should report it to the AP. Alex Jones might pick it up.
Alex Jones Wrote:'I found in the AP today that just one vegan meal makes anyone weak pale and sickly. OH MY Y*ack*AHWEH! Mayday! VEGAN DIET IS TRYING TO KILL US ALL!!! Ive got so much news folks'
:biggrin:
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06-02-2007, 07:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2007, 07:38 PM by Ratiocinator.)
#20
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:Vegan diet is just not natural. Humans have ALWAYS been omnivores

What is that based on? The complete opposite is true, in fact. Humans are anatomically and physiologically herbivorous, as the following link will clarify:

http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/health/comparative.html

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Quote:and you just can't get all the nutrients from veggies. Look into B12, for example. There are many others.

That is a completely false statement. B12 is the product of bacterium; it is created by friendly bacteria. It is found in most soil, so our natural-living ancestors would have consumed enough B12 just from the minute amount of dirt left on their plant food.

There are other sources of B12 too currently under uinvestigation. Read about it here:

http://veganforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=30

The founder of the Vegan Society and originator of the very word 'vegan', was vegan for 60-years and vegetarian for a total 80-years before he died in 2005 at the age of 95. If he were unable to get B12 he would have died in the early 1950's.

Vegan Society: http://www.vegansociety.com/html/

There are no nutrients that are unavailable to vegans. Everything we need for optimum health is found in flora sources. The 100% plant based diet is our natural diet and provides us with all that we need.

5000-year-old vegan tribe:

http://www.thehindubusinessline.comfe/2...10700080200.htm

Quote:Have you heard how some baby died recently after their vegan diet parents fed it only vegan diet? That says it all.


Even the prosecutor said the baby died due to neglect / poor diet / lack of food, and not because of veganism. It looks like the defendants were trying to use the unfounded prejudice many people hold against veganism to attempt to stay out of jail. Well, it did not work for them and everybody else should realize the truth of that case.

There are plenty of healthy life-long vegans and vegan children:

http://www.veganfamily.co.uk/

http://www.vegfamily.com/
Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-02-2007, 07:51 PM,
#21
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:
Quote:I like my meat rare !!!

I tried doing just rice, nuts, fruits and veggies once,
I became weak, pail and sickly.
He means he ate one meal of rice nuts fruits and veggies and became weak pale and sickly. He should report it to the AP. Alex Jones might pick it up.
Alex Jones Wrote:'I found in the AP today that just one vegan meal makes anyone weak pale and sickly. OH MY Y*ack*AHWEH! Mayday! VEGAN DIET IS TRYING TO KILL US ALL!!! Ive got so much news folks'
:biggrin:

You shouldn't speak for me !

"she" tried it for a extended amount of time, I went from strong, healthy and attractive to wimpy.

There are people that want men to quite eating meat in hopes that they'll become more docile.
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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06-02-2007, 07:57 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2007, 08:30 PM by Ratiocinator.)
#22
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:There is nothing unholy about eating meat or not eating meat, there is something bad about demanding that someone does one but not the other. Insisting is one thing but demanding is totally different.

What you write is only valid when we are dealing with inanimate, insentient, non-pain feeling things such as limestone, aggregate, iron ore, potatoes, and so on.

When dealing with the issue of meat the argument of “don’t tell me what to do” is unjustified and out of place because in order for that person to eat meat another creature, another animal, another sentient, though-capable, pain-capable creature had to be forced to do something against it’s will. In this case the animal had to be forced into being killed.

That argument is as valid as the defense of a paedophile who, at those who oppose what he likes to do, shouts loudly, “don’t tell me what I can and can’t do. Whether I want to fμck them or not is my business. How dare you try to force me to do something." Well, what of the child?

And what of the animals? For they think, feel, sense, are emotive, breathe, eat, suffer pain, experience fear, are social, are inquisitive, and fundamentally live just as we do. They are our Earthly brethren.

To be indifferent to them and to commodify them is the essence of inhumanity.
Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-02-2007, 08:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-02-2007, 08:28 PM by maggot.)
#23
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:I like my meat rare !!!

I tried doing just rice, nuts, fruits and veggies once,
I became weak, pail and sickly.
He means he ate one meal of rice nuts fruits and veggies and became weak pale and sickly. He should report it to the AP. Alex Jones might pick it up.
Alex Jones Wrote:'I found in the AP today that just one vegan meal makes anyone weak pale and sickly. OH MY Y*ack*AHWEH! Mayday! VEGAN DIET IS TRYING TO KILL US ALL!!! Ive got so much news folks'
:biggrin:

You shouldn't speak for me !

"she" tried it for a extended amount of time, I went from strong, healthy and attractive to wimpy.

There are people that want men to quite eating meat in hopes that they'll become more docile.
Yeh whoops sorry. jack is a girls name? never heard of that one. anyhow
jack Wrote:There are people that want men to quite eating meat in hopes that they'll become more docile.
Just giving your kids soya is enough to turn any 'troublesome macho pig' into a nice boy. I knew a family of sorts who went vegan, and fed their children soya milk and all that sort of crap. Thing is the father had moved out, this paedophile moved in married the mother(a feminist or rather feminazi) and was sexually abusing the kids for years. I expect the mother had been told to change the diet - she knew what was going on.
Good news justice fans though, after going to jail for it, the husband now re-trained re-located and works as a social worker with children! Good old British justice eh. *cue national anthem*
*edit* This is just what I was told. The family lived on the same road as me when i was a child. The mother was known to be weird, she dragged me over to her sons' room once, holding me by my ear as we went down the road basically I was supposed to clear up her sons mess whch she blamed me for. The social worker thing might be true, the sexual abuse might have been a lie made up so the mother could divorce.
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06-02-2007, 09:10 PM,
#24
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:And what of the animals? For they think, feel, sense, are emotive, breathe, eat, suffer pain, experience fear, are social, are inquisitive, and fundamentally live just as we do. They are our Earthly brethren.


Animals also kill each other, without worry what the other animals are feeling, especially when they are hungry.


mmmm tasty brethren.
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06-02-2007, 09:49 PM,
#25
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:Animals also kill each other, without worry what the other animals are feeling, especially when they are hungry.

So, what's your point? Do the actions of others really justify what you do? They do it so I can too?

A few years ago some guy attacked a kindergarten class with a machete and hacked-up some of the children and their teacher. So that means that it is perfectly OK ethically for me to do the same thing, should I choose to?

Back to the animals: Do I really need to point out to you that wild animals, living how nature dictated they live, who have no other means of survival and who do what they have to through lack of other options validates the meat and milk industries? If you think humans, with all their technology and knowledge, need to live as the wild African Lions and Tigers do, then I strongly suggest you reevaluate your stance on this issue. The point is negated anyway by the simple fact that humans are herbivores and if they lived true to nature would not eat meat anyway.

So, you might want to rephrase your point to: 'Animals live according to nature, so therefore we should too, ergo the meat industry should be closed down.'
Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-03-2007, 02:05 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-03-2007, 02:19 PM by Tblacksheep.)
#26
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:
Quote:Animals also kill each other, without worry what the other animals are feeling, especially when they are hungry.

So, what's your point? Do the actions of others really justify what you do? They do it so I can too?

No, its nothing to do with others, fuck your emotive arguments, likening eating meat to peadophillia and killing people with knives. Pathetic. We are omnivores and have been for a very, very long time and simply saying we are herbivores doesnt make it so, not educating the majority of the population to 'go green' doesnt make it true either.

Your problem seems to be with mass consumerism of meat, and I understand this.... but quite frankly I couldnt give a shit, there are far more important things to be worrying about than the state of mind of chickens. The government taking away the food supply and supplimenting it with substandard (and poisoned) GM food (Canada has actually been a biological testing ground, government admitted, enjoy), this is why this thread started. If I had enough land (which I dont) for chickens I would throttle them to provide food without worrying what the chicken is thinking or likening it to a huge crime, its not. Go resprase my words as much as you want.
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06-03-2007, 11:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-03-2007, 11:53 PM by Ratiocinator.)
#27
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:No, its nothing to do with others, fuck your emotive arguments, likening eating meat to peadophillia and killing people with knives. Pathetic.

There is nothing ‘emotive’ about that simple comparison. I pity the fact that you are incapable of understanding the very obvious parallels between paedophilic rape and taking the lives of cows and pigs for human consumption.

In fact many things are on a par with eating meat; there are many example of parallels: Raping children, the extermination of millions of Jews, the slave trade, and so on.

Quote:We are omnivores and have been for a very, very long time and simply saying we are herbivores doesnt make it so, not educating the majority of the population to 'go green' doesnt make it true either.

We are as omnivorous as a cow that has been fed other dead cows. Just because some people choose to eat dead flesh and other people, most people, have had that choice made for them through years of mind manipulation, cultural engineering and other types of force, does not make them omnivorous. They are simply herbivores not being true to their herbivorous nature and herbivorous physiology.

A young child, when an apple and a rabbit are placed in front of it, will choose to eat the apple. That is because the child is being true to its herbivorous nature and is acting on instinct. A lion cub, however, would likely ignore the apple and go for the rabbit. It is very simple, really.

Just go back earlier in this thread and look at the link I posted on the Comparative Anatomy of Eating article. In it you will see very clearly that we are very much the herbivore.

Edit: This link: http://www.earthsave.ca/articles/health/comparative.html

Quote:but quite frankly I couldnt give a shit, there are far more important things to be worrying about than the state of mind of chickens. The government taking away the food supply and supplimenting it with substandard (and poisoned) GM food (Canada has actually been a biological testing ground, government admitted, enjoy), this is why this thread started.

Don’t you get it? Don’t you see? The eating of meat, the farming of animals, and the mentality required to kill billions of innocents each year unnecessarily for the food industry is the cause of many of these problems, if not all of them. You seem to be interested only in the symptoms of problems and not in their cause.

Quote:If I had enough land (which I dont) for chickens I would throttle them to provide food without worrying what the chicken is thinking or likening it to a huge crime, its not. Go resprase my words as much as you want.

There is no need to rephrase your words. You have made it very clear what sort of a low-life you are all by yourself. By admitting that you care nothing for the well being, suffering, or life of other creatures, specifically chickens, you show yourself for the uncaring piece of filth that you truly are.

There seems to be no point in trying to educate you or reason with you. You seem to be past redemption and unavailable to improvement. It is a pity that yours is the prevalent mentality on this Earth; it is the cause for greed, compassionless acts, wars, tyranny, and all kinds of cruelty.
Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-04-2007, 05:51 PM,
#28
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Quote:I pity the fact that you are incapable of understanding the very obvious parallels between paedophilic rape and taking the lives of cows and pigs for human consumption. In fact many things are on a par with eating meat; there are many example of parallels: Raping children, the extermination of millions of Jews, the slave trade, and so on.

The eating of meat, the farming of animals, and the mentality required to kill billions of innocents each year unnecessarily for the food industry is the cause of many of these problems, if not all of them.

There seems to be no point in trying to educate you or reason with you. You seem to be past redemption and unavailable to improvement. It is a pity that yours is the prevalent mentality on this Earth; it is the cause for greed, compassionless acts, wars, tyranny, and all kinds of cruelty.

You've made yourself quite clear, quite frankly I dont want to be "educated/redeemed/improved" (i'd laugh if the 2nd part wasnt so sick) from people that think the killing of an animal for food is on par with child rape and the slave trade.

If I didnt think the doctors would prescribe something perminatly damaging to you, I would suggest getting your head looked at. You weird people are welcoming your own slavery and the worldwide control of the food industry on a level only previously seen in China.
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06-04-2007, 06:24 PM,
#29
Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
It is the sort of ineducability and immorality that you display which is bringing down society and ensuring that paradise will never be attained.
Funny how people insist that death, murder, torture has to be a part of ones dietary needs.....fucking nutters everywhere!!

--- Purple Bex.
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06-04-2007, 06:32 PM, (This post was last modified: 06-04-2007, 06:50 PM by Tblacksheep.)
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Secret Plans Drawn Up To Turn Us All Veggie
Speaking of "Utopias", you keep harping on about Earthsave, anyone would think....

EarthSave, created by an author of a book that promotes vegan food. Suprise 1.
An internationalist movement with a website for every city, sounding abit agenda 21 already.

Earthsaves affiliates: Centre for food safty, Center for Science in the Public Interest, Farm Animal Reform Movement, Foundation on Economic Trends, Organic Consumers Association, PETA (kill them to save them), Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, Sierra Club and United Poultry Concerns.

EarthSave board member Dr. Douglas Graham (his degree is in chiropractic) takes veganism one step further, insisting that only completely raw foods are truly good for you. He claims that “it is not possible for cooked foods to supply our needs for either optimum nutrition or ethical integrity.” Graham’s ethical considerations include the claim that “heat produced from cooking, and from heating water for cleaning pots pans and dishes , contributes significantly to global warming.” In an unbelievable leap of logic, Graham goes on to allege that the consumption of cooked food “is linked to almost every eating disorder, many learning disabilities, and practically every disease known to man.” Did he eat too much cooked food?

No more cooking food, because of global warming!!!!! :scream:

There hasnt been a moment in time when the slaves actually thought their shitty food was better for them in comparason to what their owners were eating.
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