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Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
07-31-2007, 01:12 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses

Researchers from Bristol and Cardiff universities looked at 35 pervious studies about cannibis use and mental health issues. Their study showed that frequent users of the drug were twice as likely to develop psychotic symptoms.

They estimated that cannibis use could be a factor in 14% of psychotic problems among young adults in the UK. They also say that it cannot be ruled out that existing mental health issues may have lead to the drug use.

However, a professor from Oxford University has warned that no significant increase in the number of people affected by schitzophrenia over the last 30 years supports the fact that chances of suffering are not increased by the drug.

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07-31-2007, 02:55 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
When science experiences interference by politics it loses its credibility and its conclusions should be frowned upon to say the least.
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07-31-2007, 03:15 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
lame. totally reversed research by a paid-for lot of freaks. incredible. pippi up there puts it quite well
07-31-2007, 06:25 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-31-2007, 06:28 PM by standvast.)
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
It sounds a lot like reverse psychology to me,
as i believe it is more likely people who allready have an enlarged
chance of developing "a mental illness" like say a personality disorder,
add fuel to the fire when they smoke large quantities of skunk.

My uncle's 55 , got a psychosis at about 20 when travelling the world, Afrika especially,
he came back all warped after 3 years ,thinking Mobutu's men where after him,
having hallucinations and hearing "voices in his head".
He's an extremely intelligent guy, very kindhearted and introvert,
but hung out with the wrong people and got hooked on smack for some 5/6 years.
He's been considered skitzofrenic, diagnosed and put on different types of meds,
which in his case seem to have been working quite well for the last 10 years or so.
He's a typical pothead aswell, for asfar as that works [the typifying], beatnik style,
but has only been smoking since he's been doing a lot better , and stopped hearing voices.
Bring my uncle the a shrink now and they'll say drugs fucked him up, but neither
the pot nor the horse made feel the way he felt, or experience his reality, they where
not even in his life at the time of his skitzoid episodes.
Pot can induce something, but it has to be there in the first place,
my uncle saw people starve roadside on his journey among other messed up imagery,
who can blame a man for having such things hurt his presumed sanity?,..

At a certain point during an episode , he pulled a knife on my grandmother [his moms]
and he was totally out of it seeing people storm at him who where not there,
it ended with him being committed to a ward for half a year.
My grandmoms wasn't hurt, but scared, it turned out ok. they still live together 2 days a week ,
as my uncle works a structured weekplan doing gardening now, which he loves.
All in all, he's one of the few people i know for whom chem meds make a positive
difference, and the use of pot keeps his mind from rambling and eases muscle tension.
My uncle is still sane in my perspective, he's a great guy , likes poetry and music, and can ponder
a single subject in silence for 4 hours to then say a single profound thing about it. i can appreciate that.

Another thing ; psychology works fromout the supposition that society/this world is sane,
and that they themselves are the paladin defenders of "sanity" as determined by a consensus.
So in a certain sense, your "insanity" is measured by how much you differ from a perfect drone unit,
how you "return to a healthy social and professional life", and such, pay taxes, think happy thoughts.

I think most people's idea of "sanity" is a joke.

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07-31-2007, 06:36 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-31-2007, 06:40 PM by maggot.)
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
RE: Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Its more likely that the personality profile of someone who smokes cannabis is that which is more prone to mental illness rather than the cannabis being the cause of mental illness.
Government scientists could just as easily do a study that creates a link between drinking bottled water and developing some form of schizophrenia.
07-31-2007, 06:41 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
I use a lot of cannabis. Am I like 80% more likely to suffer mental illness? Is he? Please tell him? Am I?
07-31-2007, 10:01 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Yeah....that article's bullshit. Here are other articles saying just the opposite:

Pot Use Doesn’t Exacerbate Symptoms Of Schizophrenia, Study Says
Cannabis, Mental Health and Context: The Case For Regulation
NORML's Testimony on Medical Marijuana Legislation in Maryland (2001) Keith Stroup, Esq.

I'm so tired of these "official reports" that are nothing more than research spun towards a certain agenda, outright lies and scare tactics. When it comes to drugs in the media, I have yet to see any truth at all come out. I can only laugh at the complete absurdity of the articles that the BBC or CNN pass off as facts and research. I don't trust either of them any farther than "cannabis is a plant". After that, the lies are thick as tricomes on White Widow.
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08-01-2007, 02:49 AM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Quote:I use a lot of cannabis. Am I like 80% more likely to suffer mental illness? Is he? Please tell him? Am I?


Thanks for the links Easy
08-02-2007, 09:38 PM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Quote:...I think most people's idea of "sanity" is a joke.

Well said, Standvast...

I think pharmaceutical meds can help people who suffer from purely psychological delusions and chemical imbalance, and cannabis, as a psychoactive, could have an exponential effect of worsening these symptoms in some people. These studies tend to use this data in a misleading way to make it look like the opposite is true... that we can all become schizophrenic by smoking a little pot. They've tried to do the same with all psychoactives, and cannabis is by far the least potent among them. Articles such as these amount to disinformation based on bad science, prohibitionist bias and drug war agenda. Any real evaluation of the effects on human consciousness as a whole is excluded. Ironically, science is less equipped to do this question than the average cannabis user... :rolleyes: :laugh:

Of course, there are many sources which give a balanced account of the long-term neurological effects of cannabis use.... And some which try to address the plant and its effects a s a whole... like Jack Here's Emperor Wears No Clothes. There's been enough medical treatment of terminally ill patients that legal prohibition just doesn't hold up on a democratic level. But lets face it.. we aren't living in a democracy, we're in a despotism... Cannabis is illegal for many reason, but the health dangers are not the real reason, and we don;t get to decide whether that will change. However, as disinformation, these medical studies are enough to help polarize people into believing that the medical authorities can tell them whats good for them, and brain damage and stacked numbers is the easiest way to do that. It can even divide families members....

Stand's family story reminded me of my own tale of brain damage and cannabis use, so here it is....

I have an uncle, who is a GP practicing in california... A few years ago, I mentioned to him that I had smoked cannabis alot, and he got really serious and authoritative and told me that I had brain damage! I don't think I've ever been so insulted (by a family member). I mean, he was basically saying I was retarded. Furthermore, he said that there are no medicinal purposes that were worth all the negative effects. I told him not only did I habitually smoke marijuana cigarettes, but that was nothing. I told him I had been smoking for years, and had done worse. For example, I told him that I had isolated tryptomines and then taken MAO inhibitors so I could ingest them orally... I knew that if I'd eaten any anything fermented I could have died or gotten very ill... so I fasted for 24 hours or more before hand, to be safe. Usually. heh

I guess he was still choking from hearing that I was a pothead, let alone hearing that I was intentionally ingesting laboratory hallucinogens. I told him striaght up that I'd studied every psychoactive substance I could find, and used natural forms (like mushrooms) semi-annually for spiritual and non-recreational purposes... he told me I was insane. That was 3 years ago and we haven't really spoken since. I think I understand his reaction... a few years ago, a patient of his died from belemia... she was only 14 years old. As a result, he had a mental and physical breakdown for over a year. He came out by being "reborn" through christ... coincidently my other uncle (who's a catholic priest) was at his bedside manipulating my uncles disembodied awareness and reinforcing his childhood catholic programming (my grandparents were missionaries).

Up to this point my uncle (the doctor) was a caring, nurturing, intelligent man... and he still is. I think the experiences he described of being reborn were quite real... but unfortunately his interpretation of them is so literal that he now thinks everyone has to have the same ones or they are going to hell. Literally. Which to me, is insanity... and self-destructive. Instead of getting out of his marriage and out of medicine (the actual causes of his collapse), deciding what he really wanted and changing his life ... he went right back to the dysfunctional continuity of his life it as if nothing happened... except now he believes he has to save others from they beliefs.

He has become a religious fundementalist.. now he's always talking about the church and sin etc. But now he's applying the sam authority to cannabis. Which is sad, no offense to the fundamentalists, because before he burned-out he was quite liberal and accepting of other peoples beliefs. Now his fundamentalism is applied to medicine as well... he thinks cannabis causes brain damage and that we have to church to fix any further retardation. He was cool a few years ago, and now he votes for bush, protests abortion, and refuses to talk to my mom because she is divorced and won't get an annulment. I know he'd talk to me again if I'd buy into in his version of reality, but that would be insane!

My point is... most peoples idea of sanity is so literal that you'd have to be crazy to believe it. I certainly wouldn't claim that my version of "medical sanity" (which is based on ethics and self experimentation) is any more valid than my uncles theological-mediocracy ... but it works for me. As far as I'm concerned, I have a right to damage my brain... and my own soul. They are mine, and I plan on using them. I mean, there's no point in leaving them in the wrapper... there's no resale value for an unused human life. I'd prefer to take em out, play with them, get some value out of their capacity for wear and tear.

And if I get into trouble, I have my medicine right here. :biggrin:

08-03-2007, 12:13 AM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Thanks for sharing that Chris :smile:

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08-03-2007, 01:06 AM,
Cannabis users 40% more likely to suffer mental illnesses
Quote:it is inherently more psychotic to remember than it is to forget
– from 'Waking Life'

i've worked in what is euphemistically called 'the mental health sector' now for almost a couple of years. true, this is a woefully short time to build up a complete picture but i think i can at least identify certain causes and trends which have led to diagnoses of 'mental illness'.

unsurprisingly, the biggest problem is alcohol, by a mile. but as to whether this is a mental health issue or an addiction problem seems open to interpretation, or perhaps how one defines mental illness in the first place. i suppose the argument being, if you must rely on an artificial stimulant or crutch to enable you to fit into this wonderful paradise in which we live, then you must be mentally ill. to my mind this attitude is inherent within both the certifiers (doctors) and stipulators (politicians). cannabis comes with the additional problem that it potentially makes people start to think for themselves, to question, rather than parrot the shit fed to them in schools (for which of course they are amply rewarded, through examination marks and job prospects).

i am not denying the potential for cannabis to interfere with peoples' thought processes, nor indeed to influence the development of neural networks, however, as Bob Marley argues, the reason authority hates cannabis is, it makes people rebel. “against what?” is his following question. does this not say it all? thinking for yourself is dangerous, most particularly to those who do not want you to.

corporate pharmaceuticals (clozaril, olanzapine...) undoubtedly are very efficient at blocking what authority calls psychotic symptoms – numbing people into day-to-day operations and requirements, shopping, washing, cleaning, watching TV... not only do the drugs keep them quiet but also fund big pharma, and their future developments.

however, through all this, when actually exploring the underlying reasons for their incarceration one thing (to me) seems overwhelmingly obvious, once upon a time most inmates (we're supposed to call them 'service users' or 'clients' (makes us sound like prostitutes (which perhaps in a way we are)) but i detest such terms) were blessed with extraordinary imaginations and/or memory, and often cognitive ability. from this aspect it seems the whole notion of 'psychosis' is a label manufactured by people with no imagination in order to stigmatise and marginalise (and frighten) those with.

you can shove your sanity – i'm happier with the loonies.

and yes Chris... time for a little medication [Image: smiley%20j.gif]
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