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Let's call God Allah
08-28-2007, 12:15 AM,
#16
Let's call God Allah
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Quote:I think that naming or labelling anything always creates divides, assumptions, and allows ignorance to grow and fester.

Anything should be known for the feeling you recieve when it happens to you.

There's far to many Nouns floating around out there!!!

The one true Almighty God has only one name and it is not "Allah".

His name does cause division. It is supposed to do that. He is the God of all but not all follow him. So be it.

The Bible was not written for everyone, but a select audience of his followers.

You do have free will. You may call him whatever you please. He will not share his glory or his name with another and just because you call does not mean he will listen. He is a jealous God and his name is YHVH.

Any other name is not his. He is the I AM, and I am not.

you have to be fucking kiding me. In arameic God's "name" is Alah, which means that Jesus reffered to his "father" as Allah. Feel free to confirm this http://www.peshitta.org/cgi-bin/lexicon.cgi just type in "god" and lo and behold!

however, the reason the "name" is so similar all over that area is because its all based on the same hodgepodge of fantasies and lies. The Bible, the Quran, the Torah is nothing but the work of the same kind of people we today proclaim our enemies. The Bible is filled with pornography, violence, blodshed, murder, paedophelia etc. In a direct compare the Bible comes of a twisce as violent and inhumane as the Quran. And trust me. the Quran is doing one hell of an efford at it.


As I said his name divides. It does not bring people "together". It is Satans job to make everything "one". And as I said, The Bible is for a select audience, and NOT for everyone.

His name given to Moses is "I AM THAT I AM" and in Hebrew is YHVH. Not Allah.
The most dangerous people alive are the ones who have nothing to lose.

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08-28-2007, 04:49 AM,
#17
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Quote:was used WAAAAY before Mohammad came along
i knew this. Heard A.R. Green on this as well. Arabic and aramaic are two ancient languages. Abraham the prophet sent his son Ismail to till the lands of arabia. Later, when arabs were worshipping the idols, they were also worshipping the only master of the universe.

But the goat thing:) its funny. I never met someone telling me that Goat ate the book...

As for your comment on holy books, my advise to you is to refrain from abusing any prophet, or any book. This kind of verbal abuse has spiritual consequences. I am not a rabbi, pandit, priest or molah nor do i belong to any 'mystery cult' which is nothing more than a scam. I learned that the most important thing to acquire is wisdom. by acquiring knowledge, by accepting it, by respecting it, by applying it. you will reach to a point where you'll have a set of moral, ethical, religious codes to shape your life with. Your vision shall be clear. You will see that all major religions are actually one and came from the ONE.

Quote:Science without religion is lame (I think it was "Einstein" who said that)

Wish you all the best
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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08-28-2007, 05:16 AM,
#18
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I never heard the goat thing either. You know what I think is so funny? Here we have all Hell breaking loose and we're argueing about what name to call God? No wonder they're winning.
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08-28-2007, 08:12 AM,
#19
Let's call God Allah
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Quote:was used WAAAAY before Mohammad came along
i knew this. Heard A.R. Green on this as well. Arabic and aramaic are two ancient languages. Abraham the prophet sent his son Ismail to till the lands of arabia. Later, when arabs were worshipping the idols, they were also worshipping the only master of the universe.

But the goat thing:) its funny. I never met someone telling me that Goat ate the book...

As for your comment on holy books, my advise to you is to refrain from abusing any prophet, or any book. This kind of verbal abuse has spiritual consequences. I am not a rabbi, pandit, priest or molah nor do i belong to any 'mystery cult' which is nothing more than a scam. I learned that the most important thing to acquire is wisdom. by acquiring knowledge, by accepting it, by respecting it, by applying it. you will reach to a point where you'll have a set of moral, ethical, religious codes to shape your life with. Your vision shall be clear. You will see that all major religions are actually one and came from the ONE.

yes a great big fat distorion of reality, a lie, a fraud, a scam made up by people who didnt want to work for a fucking living. that is what they ALL have in common. God is above all their silly little ideas and stories because that is all it is. stories, that is another thing they have in common. To quote pat condell "i know that when religion is present, evil is never far away".

Spirituality is a wonderfull thing, dont get me wrong. But the abrahamic traditions are 100% made up. well all religion are. And it is keeping our progress down as a species. We are still willing to kill eachother, mame or shut up people who belive other then we do. Because as nomad and modemho demonstrates, they are beyond sense. Lost in a dreamworld of dieties, alltho threy are unaware of it.

as for the goat, well:)That is the reason they accept stoning of adulters. It is nowhere to be found in the Quran, actually on the contrary according to the Quran stoning is a trait of infidels and unbelievers. The unbelievers threatens to stone Abraham, and his cousin Lut etc.. So stoning is in the Quran seen as something utterly primitive. So AHlul Sunnah priesthood lead by bukhari made up a story that Gods divine masterpiece (As they tell us it is) was abrogated by a hungry goat. Because it ate the verse about stoning.

Man...they must have been stoned on crack cocaine or something, or rather those that buy into it must be.

"Yeah like....i dont have the document anymore but you can just take my word for it".......right?! :scream:

Moses was a moon worshipper, and yhvh was a hermeprhodite like many other gods at the time. he just got merged into the hebrew theology. Nothin the hebrews have told us is true, NOTHIGN. Not about where they came from,where the religion is from etc. all that is stuff they made up and had us, and now their own later fenerations believe.

Just because the Creator is real does not mean that any books written in his name is. and i dont care who i offend saying that, you book worshippers are THE problem on the face of this earth. Not the solution, but you cant see it for the plank in your eyes!
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08-28-2007, 08:45 AM,
#20
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Anyone who says there is only one path is a fool.
we can all look at the sun (illuminati symbol) and call it el sol, surya, hellios, or the sun, but we still know beyond the semantics its the big old round ball of heat.
God, Allah, Jah, Vishnu, Krishna, Buddha, Jehovah
There is no hindu God, Christian God, or Muslim God. Only one, all eternal, all blissful, all knowing.
All the chaos here on earth has been brought about the mistakes and cruelties of man, nothing else.
We dont have to stay as victims. God is the only salvation. Being humble means being strong.
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08-28-2007, 08:45 AM,
#21
Let's call God Allah
Anyone who says there is only one path is a fool.
we can all look at the sun (illuminati symbol) and call it el sol, surya, hellios, or the sun, but we still know beyond the semantics its the big old round ball of heat.
God, Allah, Jah, Vishnu, Krishna, Buddha, Jehovah
There is no hindu God, Christian God, or Muslim God. Only one, all eternal, all blissful, all knowing.
All the chaos here on earth has been brought about the mistakes and cruelties of man, nothing else.
We dont have to stay as victims. God is the only salvation. Being humble means being strong.
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08-28-2007, 02:18 PM,
#22
Let's call God Allah
ONE GOD
ONE UNIVERSE
ONE LAW OF NATURE
ONE WORLD
ONE MANKIND
(and here the misunderstandings and the plurality start)
but still
ONE TRUTH


The Almighty says in His Holy Book, that plurality is wanted, cause if it wasn't it wouldn't exist.
And He will clarify all humans, when the time comes.

no, starjade, it's not you who is meant... :tongue:

peace.
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08-29-2007, 05:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 08-29-2007, 05:19 AM by lovelyk.)
#23
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Quote:i know that when religion is present, evil is never far away".

Ofcourse. Evil has to be there. How else evil can fight with the religion and try to take it away from people?
Its an eternal war.

I know many ppl just can't stand when someone tells them to listen to the religions. Its an internal demon one has to fight with. One of the reason why zionist don't go against a researcher is that the researcher is doing a job for them by telling ppl that religions are prison cells. and amazingly ppl don't think with their own minds. Pity!

Quote:Masonic Preaching and Propaganda

... The importance of Masonic sermons is explained by <span style="color:#33CC00">Copin Albancelli, a French Freemason and expert on occultism. Albancelli is quoted by <span style="color:#33CC00">Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez, Archbishop of Santiago, Chile, in his book <span style="color:#33CC00">The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled:

"What have I done in Masonry? It is a question which the reader ought to ask me. It is, in effect, what one always hears: <span style="color:#00CCCC">What is done in Masonic meetings?

<span style="color:#FFCC00">"The reply is so simple, that it always amazes those who hear it for the first time. In the Masonic meetings one begins by listening to sermons, and later one gives them.

... "If this reply has been able to surprise the reader at the beginning of our study, it should not do so now. One who tries to understand the suggestions of the occult power residing in the spirit of Masonry has only one medium at his disposal, namely, the sermon.

"<span style="color:#00CCCC">Upon what are these sermons based?

Upon two principal themes which revolve unceasingly for every purpose and for no purpose.

"First theme: <span style="color:#FFCC00">Freemasonry is a sublime, holy and sacred institution. It is the eternal initiator of all that is upright, good and great in humanity.

"Second theme: This association, so lofty, so respectable, so venerable, <span style="color:#FFCC00">has one enemy. <span style="color:#FFCC00">This enemy is Christianity.

How does one arrive at this conclusion?

<span style="color:#FFCC00">Since Christianity is the enemy of Masonry, it is the enemy of all the great causes to which the latter claims to dedicate itself. Consequently, if they [the Masons] truly love these great causes, it is necessary to combat Christianity.

"Such are the two embryonic ideas which serve as a hinge for Masonic teachings. Such are the two suggestions which the Occult Power wishes at all costs to implant into the minds of the members, the two ideas which it is intended to impose upon them for good or evil, until such a point that those who refuse to accept them are definitely cast out of Masonry. That, above all, must serve as a base for all the rest.

"Around this there are studies in common, in the form of lectures and discussions, in which the members are encouraged and which deal with political and social questions, etc."88

-- John Daniel - Scarlet and Beast p48-49

Believe me. once i used to over react against anyone preaching a moral, ethical or a religious code to me. I just wanted to slap the face of that 'stupid' and 'ignorant' person. Thanks to God, now i am out of that cocoon which i created for myself.

Well:)everyone learn when the time is right and the mind is ripe.

Quote:There is no hindu God, Christian God, or Muslim God. Only one, all eternal, all blissful, all knowing. ... Being humble means being strong.
Well said. totally agree with you.
Salem Kirban quotes Weishaupt gloating over his successes in a letter to Illuminatus Cato:

The most admirable thing of all is that great Protestant and reformed theologians [Lutherans and Calvinists] who belong to our Order really believe they see in it the true and genuine mind of the Christian religion. Oh man, what can not you be brought to believe?

These people swell our numbers and fill our treasury; get busy and make these people nibble at our bait.. .but do not tell them our secrets. They must be made to believe that the low degree that they have reached is the highest
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08-29-2007, 07:58 AM,
#24
Let's call God Allah
no you miss the point of that saying. Religious people mostly come of as self rightious princks, with all the traits of a psychopath, religions breeds intollerance. I know there are wonderfull people who are religious, unfortunally they are rarely the people who has a deep impact on society in regard to their beliefs. People like Bush and bin laden are.

If anything religion is the work of "the devil", because of the end result to be seen. religion is lead acetate, it has a sweets taste but it will kill you or drive you fucking insane.

if you are honest and spend just a modicum of time on it, you will come to know that the socalled abrahamic traditions did not become so large because they are more true than other religions. But they where represented and spread by some of the most violently aggresive psycopaths in history. You had a choice, convert or die. The polytheists were smarter, instead of using a lot of energy on that they just absorbed the God of their victims into their own pantheon. Very democratic hehe. All of this however can be traced right back, and comfortably so, to fertility worship.

I dont belive this negotiate God, The Creator, but i base that on subjective experience and a common sense view on the universe. I do however know for a fact that religions are made by men, its a philosphy that got frozen in time by other men who understood that this was a direct way into the minds of others.
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08-29-2007, 08:34 AM,
#25
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Quote:The Almighty says in His Holy Book, that plurality is wanted, cause if it wasn't it wouldn't exist.
And He will clarify all humans, when the time comes.

Which Holy book?

The Kebra Nagast
The Enuma Elish
The Egyptian Book of the Dead
The Tibetan Book of the Dead
The Pentateuch
The Old Testament
The New Testament
The Babylonian Talmud
The I Ching
The Tao-te Ching
The Book of Mormon
The Upanishads
The Bhagavadgita With the Sanatsugâtiya and the Anugitâ
The Dhammapada and The Sutta-Nipâta
The Fo-sho-hing-tsan-king
The Zend-Avesta
The Satapatha-Brahmana
The Vedanta-Sutras
The Granth Sahib
The Eddas

And on and on and on and on and on and on....


MMM
Give me the judgment of balanced minds in preference to laws every time. Codes and manuals create patterned behavior. All patterned behavior tends to go unquestioned, gathering destructive momentum.
- Darwi Odrade
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08-29-2007, 09:11 AM,
#26
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Thanks for listing those maximus. Im sure theres some gems in each one, if you root through all the speculations made by man. Depends on the translations.
There have been many prophets and they all say the same thing. Love eachother, non violence. Find out who God is and love him.
"If you water the roots of the tree, everyone: all the leaves and branches will benefit.
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08-29-2007, 01:59 PM,
#27
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This brought to mind a poem I read years ago:

All roads that lead to God are good,
What matters it, your faith or mine?
Both centres at the goal divine,
Of Love's eternal brotherhood.

A thousand creeds have come and gone,
But what is that to you or me?
Creeds are but branches of a tree,
The root of love lives on and on.

Though branch by branch proves withered wood,
The root is warm with precious wine,
Then, keep your faith and leave me mine,
All roads that lead to God are good.

Ella Wheeler Wilcox
what the New Advent Encyclopedia says -
The name Lucifer originally denotes the planet Venus, emphasizing its brilliance. The Vulgate employs the word also for &the light of the morning& (Job 11:17), &the signs of the zodiac& (Job 38:32), and &the aurora& (Psalm 109:3). Metaphorically, the word is applied to the King of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12) as preeminent among the princes of his time; to the high priest Simon son of Onias (Ecclesiasticus 50:6), for his surpassing virtue, to the glory of heaven (Apocalypse 2:28), by reason of its excellency; finally to Jesus Christ himself (2 Peter 1:19; Apocalypse 22:16; the &Exultet& of Holy Saturday) the true light of our spiritual life.
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08-29-2007, 04:26 PM,
#28
Let's call God Allah
Super! Thankyou Light Invisible . Just right. You know you should use some moisturiser:)....
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08-29-2007, 07:00 PM,
#29
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I think the bishop is not looking at religion broadly enough.

If you want to discuss religion from a non-chauvinistic angle then it doesn't matter what religion they have it's a good idea to meet the other person at their model. Accept a persons terms for things and when you want to talk about those things with that person use their terms.

A lesson in communication for you. Hopefully you didn't need it.

To you guys that just want to start shit with each other your shit will usually have more effect if you do this first.

Criticism of someones ideas is more powerful when you prove that you have been listening to them and that you understand them in the same way they do.

Well it works for me anyway or so they tell me.

They also tell me I'm patronising sometimes.
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08-31-2007, 05:39 PM,
#30
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m_m_m:
apparently I mean the holy quran.
:wink:
it's not that I am saying that every religion is saying this.
maybe some did in their beginnings.

I believe that any good in the world has his origin in God.
and so I am able to accept any way/religion, provided that it's humane.

I call Him Allah, I call Him by His all-embracing great attributes.
"reduced" to 99 Holy names, known by muslims as esma-ul husna.

peace and veselam.
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