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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
09-18-2007, 07:06 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-18-2007, 07:10 AM by evesky.)
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
We know that President Bush is not really the true representitive of the whole government or the supreme controller of political systems, do we?
As much as we are aware of the dark sinister force that pervades everhting there must another. The cause of all causes. I dont have much time for
" Somehow before all existance, some energy came about and there was a terrific bang..."
There is only one force that is all knowing , all attactive and all powerful. He lets human beings have free will and look at the state we are in!
He is not like human beings, in that he is perceived with our imperfect eyes and appears in many forms, at different times, and by different prophets. His name is God, Jehovah, Allah, Krishna, Jah amongst thousands of other names.

Oh and chanting Hare Krishna does make you happy. Its a purification technique and you will see that in all religions, chanting the names of God on round beads is a proven universal form of prayer. Whatever you focus on you become. If you focus on the teachings of Dr Dawkins you become a dull dork.
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09-18-2007, 09:54 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
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Starjade says; You take the words of Muhammad even though he had no witnesses.

Quote:Horseonwheels you said; are you smoking crack cocaine or something, I have cut it out for you. I AM NOT A MUSLIM, gettit?

Starjade says; Ok so you say you are not a Muslim but how could I know when you fly the flag of islam and give out Islamic propaganda?

Quote:Starjade QUOTE
It may interest you to know that the Israelites have broken their Covenant with the Living God and that is Blasphemy.

Quote:Horseonwheels you said; nonsense, just like the muslims. THey have no evidence, and you have no evidence. How do you know that the vitness testamonies are not made up entirely. You dont!

Starjade says; What witness testimonies to what exactly am I to guess. The two or three witnesses will be examined as Deuteronomy law states and so it would be found out if a fraud is in the making or if the truth is being said by the diligent inquisition. The law of Deuteronomy says so. As for the Jews breaking their Covenant with the Living God be sure that can be proven as well. They also ignore Deuteronomy law for the sake of convenience.

Quote:Starjade QUOTE
The thing is that you are trying to sidestep the conversations by speaking of Christianity rather than discussing Islam. That then is a sneaky shirk trick. Trying to avoid the topic of conversations.

Quote:Horseonwheels you said; they are one and the same thing, the same thing that you are trying to promote. Religion, and you, they and all religious people are living in a fantasy dreamt up in the minds of powermongers. If you belive to be a prophet, you must be an idiot, or in desperate need of help or attention. Perhaps both. However the case, you are properly hearing voices, or getting "emotions", both can be helped, dont worry.

Starjade says; Christians and Muslims are not the same thing. They even have different false prophets that they are proclaiming to be that Deuteronomy prophet without any proof. I do not promote religion I fulfil it. I can establish for a fact that I am a genuine prophet with a provable connection to the Living God. Nobody else on this Planet can do that. Read the evidence.

http://www.geocities.com/end_of_times/chaptertwo.htm So I can talk the talk and walk that walk.
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09-18-2007, 09:55 AM,
#48
Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:Starjade says; It means supreme god. The supreme god of all the pagan gods worshipped by the Arabs who did worship many. Was the pagan moon god hubal al’ilah. Married to the sun god ra and claimed to have three daughters

Quote:Horseonwheels you said; incredible, most of this you just made up. I repeat, In the arabic language AL is singular, and ILAH is "a deity" thus ALLAH litteraly means the god and its not a, nor part of any unique name.

Starjade says; I never said it was a part of a unique name I said the word Al’ilah means supreme god. Only when Muhammad shortened the name to Allah did it become a name now used by Muslims however it is a fact that the supreme god of the Arabs was in those days the pagan moon god hubal alilah.

Archaeologists have uncovered temples to the Moon-god throughout the Middle East. From the mountains of Turkey to the banks of the Nile, the most wide-spread religion of the ancient world was the worship of the Moon-god. In the first literate civilization, the Sumerians have left us thousands of clay tablets in which they described their religious beliefs. As demonstrated by Sjoberg and Hall, the ancient Sumerians worshipped a Moon-god who was called many different names. The most popular names were Nanna, Suen and Asimbabbar. His symbol was the crescent moon. Given the amount of artifacts concerning the worship of this Moon-god, it is clear that this was the dominant religion in Sumeria. The cult of the Moon-god was the most popular religion throughout ancient Mesopotamia.

The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as their favorite name for the Moon-god. As Prof. Potts pointed out, "Sin is a name essentially Sumerian in origin which had been borrowed by the Semites."

In ancient Syria and Canna, the Moon-god Sin was usually represented by the moon in its crescent phase. At times the full moon was placed inside the crescent moon to emphasize all the phases of the moon. The sun-goddess was the wife of Sin and the stars were their daughters. For example, Istar was a daughter of Sin. Sacrifices to the Moon-god are described in the Pas Shamra texts. In the Ugaritic texts, the Moon-god was sometimes called Kusuh. In Persia, as well as in Egypt, the Moon-god is depicted on wall murals and on the heads of statues. He was the Judge of men and gods. The Old Testament constantly rebuked the worship of the Moon-god (see: Deut. 4:19;17:3; II Kngs. 21:3,5; 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5, etc.) When Israel fell into idolatry, it was usually the cult of the Moon-god. As a matter of fact, everywhere in the ancient world, the symbol of the crescent moon can be found on seal impressions, steles, pottery, amulets, clay tablets, cylinders, weights, earrings, necklaces, wall murals, etc. In Tell-el-Obeid, a copper calf was found with a crescent moon on its forehead.

An idol with the body of a bull and the head of man has a crescent moon inlaid on its forehead with shells. In Ur, the Stela of Ur-Nammu has the crescent symbol placed at the top of the register of gods because the Moon-god was the head of the gods. Even bread was baked in the form of a crescent as an act of devotion to the Moon-god. The Ur of the Chaldees was so devoted to the Moon-god that it was sometimes called Nannar in tablets from that time period.

A temple of the Moon-god has been excavated in Ur by Sir Leonard Woolley. He dug up many examples of moon worship in Ur and these are displayed in the British Museum to this day. Harran was likewise noted for its devotion to the Moon-god. In the 1950's a major temple to the Moon-god was excavated at Hazer in Palestine. Two idols of the moon god were found. Each was a stature of a man sitting upon a throne with a crescent moon carved on his chest . The accompanying inscriptions make it clear that these were idols of the Moon-god. Several smaller statues were also found which were identified by their inscriptions as the "daughters" of the Moon-god. What about Arabia? As pointed out by Prof. Coon, "Muslims are notoriously loath to preserve traditions of earlier paganism and like to garble what pre-Islamic history they permit to survive in anachronistic terms."
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09-18-2007, 09:56 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

This is what made it the most sacred site of Arabian paganism. In 1944, G. Caton Thompson revealed in her book, The Tombs and Moon Temple of Hureidha, that she had uncovered a temple of the Moon-god in southern Arabia. The symbols of the crescent moon and no less than twenty-one inscriptions with the name Sin were found in this temple. An idol which may be the Moon-god himself was also discovered. This was later confirmed by other well-known archeologists.

The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al-ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?
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09-18-2007, 09:58 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
The symbol of the worship of the moon god in Arabian culture and elsewhere throughout the Middle East was the crescent moon.

Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god. In the same fashion as the sun is pictured above the Egyptian deity.

While the moon was generally worshiped as a female deity in the Ancient Near East, the Arabs viewed it as a male deity.

The Quraysh tribe into which Muhammad was born was particularly devoted to Allah, the moon god, and especially to Allah's three daughters who were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah.
The worship of the three goddesses, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, played a significant role in the worship at the Kabah in Mecca. The first two daughters of Allah had names which were feminine forms of Allah.
The literal Arabic name of Muhammad's father was Abd-Allah. His uncle's name was Obied-Allah. These names reveal the personal devotion that Muhammad's pagan family had to the worship of Allah, the moon god.

An Allah idol was set up at the Kebah along with all the other idols. The pagans prayed toward Mecca and the Kabah because that is where their gods were stationed.

It only made sense to them to face in the direction of their god and then pray. Since the idol of their moon god, Allah, was at Mecca, they prayed toward Mecca.

The worship of the moon god extended far beyond the Allah-worship in Arabia. The entire fertile crescent was involved in the worship of the moon.

This, in part, explains the early success of Islam among Arab groups that traditionally had worshiped the moon god.

The use of the crescent moon as the symbol for Islam which is placed on the flags of Islamic nations and on the top of mosques and minarets is a throwback to the days when Allah was worshiped as the moon god in Mecca.
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09-18-2007, 10:05 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:Evesky you said; " Somehow before all existance, some energy came about and there was a terrific bang..."There is only one force that is all knowing , all attactive and all powerful. He lets human beings have free will and look at the state we are in!

Starjade laughs: haha yes we have heard the daft theories of scientologists believing in Aliens detonating nuke bombs to forge astral bodies to create DNA of humans. That’s all the world needs is another pack of loonies flying over the cuckoos nest.

Quote:Evesky you said; He is not like human beings, in that he is perceived with our imperfect eyes and appears in many forms, at different times, and by different prophets. His name is God, Jehovah, Allah, Krishna, Jah amongst thousands of other names.

Starjade says; Many called Prophets are false prophets. Many named gods are pagan fabricated false gods. Just because a Man is fool enough to believe the ranting of another man that does not make it true.

Quote:Evesky you said; chanting Hare Krishna does make you happy. Its a purification technique and you will see that in all religions, chanting the names of God on round beads is a proven universal form of prayer. Whatever you focus on you become. If you focus on the teachings of Dr Dawkins you become a dull dork.

Starjade says; I was having a bit of fun. Wassamatter have you no sense of humour.? Whatever religion is focussed upon if it is false then it is going to bite the Dust.
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09-18-2007, 11:25 PM,
#52
Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:k so you say you are not a Muslim but how could I know when you fly the flag of islam and give out Islamic propaganda?

i havent spread propaganda, i have spoken against the 12 evidences, and told you to go and debate with people who have knowledge on their scripture, i didnt bother to read the rest of the post, you are repeating yourself over with ill translation (i dont have to be muslim to see that), and things you apparently make up as you go along. But feel free to prove me wrong at http://www.free-minds.org
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09-19-2007, 10:53 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:Starjade QUOTE
k so you say you are not a Muslim but how could I know when you fly the flag of islam and give out Islamic propaganda?


Quote:Horseonwheels said; i havent spread propaganda, i have spoken against the 12 evidences, and told you to go and debate with people who have knowledge on their scripture, i didnt bother to read the rest of the post, you are repeating yourself over with ill translation (i dont have to be muslim to see that), and things you apparently make up as you go along. But feel free to prove me wrong at http://www.free-minds.org

Starjade says; The impression you gave was that you were promoting the false prophet mad Muhammad. I showed how his so named 12 proofs are not proof. I have shown those to many Muslims as they always present those 12 proofs of Muhammad as a matter of their Islamic propaganda. Often it is necessary to repeat myself if the same question arises. As I get the original translations from Muslims then they are not ill translation but what Muslims world wide are being taught. I do not need to make things up. I use their own evidence against them and it is very effective. I have so far always proved you wrong.

You have that obsession that I should go visit that Islamic web site. Try and understand my Time is taxed and already I have many conversations on the go. I invited you to link them to the Sura 4:82 challenge as you claim you wrote on that forum. It is in their interest to speak with me whiles to me they are ten a penny crumbs on my breakfast table. It can be envisaged also that the hope of Islam would be that I stop writing here in a thread that is post popular. Where anyone can read what is writ and realise that islam has no legs to stand upon. Whiles on that Islamic forum their Islamic moderator can interfere with the conversations as all Islamic moderators do. Well I will not so easily be drawn in when already I have my Time taxed with many other conversations.

If they are too afraid to come here and join in then they are the ones shirking the Sura 4 :82 challenge. It can be seen right here in the beginnings I invited Muslims to bring along their Islamic scholars and their Imams and anyone they choose to face me and try and defend their fabricated religion of Islam and their Koran and those very silly claims of Muhammad. So far we have seen them shirking. I even emailed their Islamic scholars and they also shirk. Of course as I have already put that evidence that proves the Koran does not come from God and that Muhammad is a liar and a fraud up front for all to see. So those Islamic scholars already know that islam has been defeated and there is nothing that they can do about it.

I have even shown evidence that the god they give worship to is none other than the pagan moon god hubal al'ilah a false god that once used to be called Sin. So every way that can be imagined Islam has bitten the Dust. I told you so.
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09-19-2007, 05:49 PM,
#54
Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.

what youre saying is that there are/were some who follow/followed Muhammad "in all his doings" i.e. having a sinless life. that's simply not true and you can't point to even one of those persons.
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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09-20-2007, 10:36 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-20-2007, 10:37 AM by Starjade.)
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Quote:
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7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.

what youre saying is that there are/were some who follow/followed Muhammad "in all his doings" i.e. having a sinless life. that's simply not true and you can't point to even one of those persons.

Starjade doth say; Well i hope you do not think this is what i am saying. Following mad Muhammad the false prophet is a Sin and even he worshipped the Moon otherwise known as Sin hence to worship in Sin. We can all sin from time to time. But we realise the errors of our ways and can change. for some however, they are oblivious that they sin and so it put be pointed out that they walk in delusions. The following of false prophets alone is a sin and something that is detestable in the eyes of the living God. This is why when we hear of thiose claiming to be prophets from God we must exmine their claims diligently. If they speak the truth then fair enough but if they lie then they must be put to their deaths or at least given a good smack in the gob for wasting our time and leading us all to sinful ways. Dont you agree?
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09-20-2007, 02:12 PM,
#56
Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:but if they lie then they must be put to their deaths or at least given a good smack

hmm.. that sounds a bit extreme :tongue:
Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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09-21-2007, 06:27 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:Your not going to be able to convert me. I've seen miracles

Yeah, sure you have. I've personally experienced a miracle from God(seen God's white energy with my eyes closed and felt it dwell inside of me) with a person who has the ability to heal and who also experiences a Holy Stigmata every month. So, I know for a FACT that Islam is a lie.

These 3 websites prove that Islam is false:

http://www.tiffanysnow.com/
http://www.stigmatahealing.com/
http://artakiane.com/
Hosea 4:6 My people perish for lack of knowledge

Psalm 119:105 Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away
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09-21-2007, 10:17 AM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
Quote:
Quote: but if they lie then they must be put to their deaths or at least given a good smack

hmm.. that sounds a bit extreme :tongue:


Well its not what I would do its what religious law says they must do. Except for the smack in the gob thing that was just my added on comment rather than kill them why not smack em in the gob. Or better still hit them over the head with my likkle stick of blackpool rock.

Of course in religion people are extremists even if they dont want to admit it. Still if God says do not follow false prophets then who are we to argue.
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09-21-2007, 10:27 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-21-2007, 10:27 AM by Starjade.)
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Quote:Your not going to be able to convert me. I've seen miracles

Yeah, sure you have. I've personally experienced a miracle from God(seen God's white energy with my eyes closed and felt it dwell inside of me) with a person who has the ability to heal and who also experiences a Holy Stigmata every month. So, I know for a FACT that Islam is a lie.

These 3 websites prove that Islam is false:

http://www.tiffanysnow.com/
http://www.stigmatahealing.com/
http://artakiane.com/


Starjade says; Oh my God not another stigmata Christian thingy. Dont you people get it. jesus is a fabricated character a fraud. The tails of his crucifixion were invented stolen text from the Old Testament.

Look let me enlighten you all. As I usually do. Here is the tale of Jesus in a nutshell but not of Jesus but really of other things that gave the Romans the idea to invent that tale of Christinaity.

Oh and this is yet another reason why Muhammad was mad to believe in Jesus.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. Zechariah 11:12-13 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So, they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.

Psalms 7:4 If I have rewarded evil unto him that was at peace with me; (yea, I have delivered him that without cause is mine enemy Psalms 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place? Psalms 32:1 Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. Psalms 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Psalms 35:3 Draw out also the spear, and stop the way against them that persecute me: say unto my soul, I am thy salvation.

Hos.6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight


Starjade concludes. Now weird shit happens so i cannot explain these stigmata things but i can say this decision it is based on Jesus and Christinaity is still yet another deception because jesus is a fraud.
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09-22-2007, 02:41 PM,
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Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is a True Prophet
as are you buddy. You rely on OT which is as full of shit as any other religious hodgepodge theology out there. Your living god, is something you made up, voices in your head. clinical illness in other words..
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