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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
08-18-2007, 05:24 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars

August 6 -- A coalition of California marijuana growers and dealers has offered Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger one billion dollars to solve the current state budget crisis. The group, calling itself Let Us Pay Taxes makes the offer through its web site LetUsPayTaxes.com.

The offer comes at a time when the California legislature is deadlocked on a new budget and California has stopped issuing checks for vitally needed social services. Legislators are currently arguing over which programs will be cut in order to balance the budget.

“It is ridiculous that California can’t pay its bills,” said spokesman Clifford Schaffer. “It is a tragedy that they will cut badly needed services and programs such as medical care for the elderly and prison drug treatment when the money to fund all these programs and more is there and available. Everyone who is currently waiting for a check from the state should be enraged at this foolishness.”

Regulation and taxation of marijuana could produce six billion dollars in additional tax revenue, according to economic studies linked from their web site LetUsPayTaxes.com. In addition, it could save up to ten billion dollars in enforcement costs. “That is a conservative estimate,” said Schaffer. “By other estimates, the revenues could be five times that. The economists are with us all the way on this one. Marijuana prohibition is an economic disaster.”

“Let’s face reality,” Schaffer says. “Marijuana legalization is inevitable. The situation is already beyond control in California. The state and local authorities have offered safe harbor for medical marijuana use and the Federal Government simply doesn’t have the resources for effective control.”

More importantly, says Schaffer, the operators of the medical marijuana clubs are no longer afraid of the Federal Government. “If you talk to them, you will find that they know they are going to win this battle. They know that the DEA is vastly outnumbered and can’t begin to prosecute all of them. The few that are prosecuted are accepting their fate as martyrs because they know what they are doing is right. They are willing to sacrifice themselves to make the point that the Federal Government has just gone too far in interfering with very personal and private decisions. There is no way the DEA is going to win this battle. At this point, it is all over but the counting of the money – and the victims of the DEA.”

Schaffer went on to say that the national market for marijuana has been estimated from a low of ten billion dollars per year to more than fifty billion dollars per year. “The first states to regulate and tax marijuana will receive an economic bonanza bigger than the original California Gold Rush,” says Schaffer. “Some states will get rich like the Saudis.”

Schaffer predicts that it will not take long for some local areas to wake up to the economic possibilities. “We are talking potentially big bucks here,” he said. “The Canadians are already starting to take note of a cannabis-fueled economic boom in some areas. Politicians can’t resist fresh cash, especially when it is coming to their local community. There will be big winners and losers here. The winners will be the ones who recognize the foregone conclusion first.”

The group also cites foreign terrorism as a reason to regulate and tax marijuana. “Drug Czar John Walters is being dishonest when he says that marijuana money goes to criminals and terrorists. The only reason any of that money goes to criminals or terrorists is because of the prohibition that Walters supports,” said Schaffer. “Marijuana prohibition makes criminals rich just like alcohol prohibition did. The criminals are now so rich and powerful that they can challenge the legitimate governments of their own countries. There is no reason to send billions of dollars per year to foreign criminal gangs when patriotic Americans make the best products in the world. There is no reason to suffer such a huge foreign trade deficit when that money could be providing jobs and funding badly needed services right here in the USA.”

Let Us Pay Taxes calls upon all US citizens to sign their petition at their web site http://LetUsPayTaxes.com and press the issue with their lawmakers. “Take the money, please,” said Schaffer. “These people want to contribute. Now it is up to our politicians to tell us why they want to send those billions to foreign criminal gangs rather than to their own voters.”
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08-18-2007, 08:17 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Sounds like a fair enough proposal and seems like an offer a stone-cold pot-smoking veteran like old Arnie can hardly refuse, if he is honest though but that may prove to be a big "if". :huh:
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08-21-2007, 06:13 AM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
I'm not opposed to this idea at all, and ironically, government regulation is probably the best way to normalize it... This was one of the first conspiracies I ever acknowledged.

If prohibition ended, it will be like gas and alcohol and cigarettes and pharmaceutical drugs, and become an excepted evil. Part of a fucked up system, no doubt, but people will be able to grow it, buy it, even if are taxed on it, they wont be sent to jail. Seriously, end prohibition and use all the pot to support the fake economy and fucked up medical system. Its already a part of the economy through the black market, green gold... why not make it legit, and in so doing, take it our of the hands of the underground and the gangs and the invisible government, and put it into the hands of elected politicians.

Legalize pot, regulate the hell out of it, and use the money we save to lower taxes over all. Whether you care about the benefits/harms of pot or not, ending prohibition makes sense. Canada should take the lead on this and diverge from the US. The get all those dealers out of jail, stop spending all our polices time searching houses and peoples land for grow ops, and concentrate on fighting street drugs pushed by the CIA. Marijuana prohibition is all about search and seizers, pushing a police state, and relieving as many normal citizens of their rights as possible, and any one who crosses the border, or leaves his home.... Meanwhile, it Canada's biggest export. FFS, we should tax the hell out of it!

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08-21-2007, 09:53 AM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
I think I see a flaw in this logic
Do we want drug use to become the norm?
Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?
Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?
Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?
Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams (stuck in soft rock culture and with 70s porn star moustaches?)
It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!
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08-21-2007, 11:53 AM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:I think I see a flaw in this logic
Do we want drug use to become the norm?
Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?
Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?
Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?
Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams (stuck in soft rock culture and with 70s porn star moustaches?)
It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!

I see a flaw: that while you support the prohibition of cannabis your fucking avatar & username advocate use of alcohol, a heavier, more dangerous substance.
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08-21-2007, 01:22 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
touché.
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08-21-2007, 03:44 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:I see a flaw: that while you support the prohibition of cannabis your fucking avatar & username advocate use of alcohol, a heavier, more dangerous substance.

My "fucking avatar" as you put it has nothing to do with supporting alcohol and is my nickname for totally different reasons, so no need to be so stupid. I also am not a viking...
Do you really think Ctrl has a yellow smiley head and a tinfoil hat and that Ephilution really has ginger pigtails?

If having a pop at an avatar is the sum total of your response then dont inhale too much next time....

My point is that giving the masses free access to drugs only helps the controllers to control you. And dont bleat on about shamans in the Amazon etc as this is a totally controlled experience in consciousness expansion not just a pastime for losers who cant face reality.

Your avatar indicates support for legalisation but emphasises the oil, textile, fuel etc benefits. This I agree with but industrial hemp is NOT the same as genetically modified skunk etc as smoked by stoners and which I think we can safely assume you wish to promote?

I dont care what anyone else wants to do to their brains or bodies, but dont ask us to support making it legal and therefore more accessible and widespread.
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08-21-2007, 07:08 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-21-2007, 07:10 PM by bossas.)
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They want to privatize the plant and control the live of the consumers.
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08-21-2007, 07:10 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-21-2007, 10:08 PM by ephilution.)
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Quote:I think I see a flaw in this logic
Do we want drug use to become the norm?
Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?
Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?
Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?
Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams (stuck in soft rock culture and with 70s porn star moustaches?)
It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!
There's a silent assumption at the basis of your reasoning that is yet to be justified, namely the hypothesis that legalization leads to massive increase in usage/abuse. And this premise is not a given since for instance we Dutch folks are, contrary to your assumption, not all stoned all the time. Upon legalization, while anyone will be permitted to grow MJ plants not everyone will, since not everyone will have the opportunity or the will and desire to do it not in the least place due to widespread availability. As such, your argument is flawed as well.

Also your take of Amsterdam is a horribly dated stereotypical rendition that in no way gives a proper reflection of actuality. I suggest you take a trip to Amsterdam for a little updating. :wink:
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08-21-2007, 07:38 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-21-2007, 07:45 PM by monkeytribe23.)
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if you will forgive a few sweeping generalisations...

ANY CHILD in ANY "high" school ANYWHERE can get their hands on some weed. (apart from maybe in iceland, it's pretty scarce out that way.)

Studies show that the percentage of regualr heavy users in Holland fell significantly after it was decriminalised (lies, damned lies and statistics, i know, but still...)

The difference between legal and illegal? Quality control, availability to minors, and taxation. All benefits, as i see it. Bare in mind the social problems that alcohol creates in its current legal setting. The facts are that any kid worth his salt can get booze underage. Then look at prohibiton in the states. Did that work?

And finally, the old favorite, cannabis psycosis. Want to see psycosis? Drink a bottle of whiskey in one sitting. Much quicker than smoking bongs of skunkweed... and much more violent.

When it comes to people losing their sanity due to pot use, you really have to consider why they are using so much and how they have the time and finances to do so. Social problem, not a drug problem.

For the record I am not a pot smoker... (any more).

and to (mis)-quote hicks:

"don't you think making something that grows naturally on 66% of the planet illegal is like saying god was wrong?"

A little arrogant and presumtious of us to tell god he was wrong, n'est pas?

I'm not picking on you beerdwarf, one of the main reasons i'm a long time lurker and not a poster here is because i have no desire to wind myself up in flame wars with virtual people on the ol' interscooter. but let me address your flaws:

1 Do we want drug use to become the norm?

where i am from and in my age group, it is the norm. And 15% of americans are on big pharma's products. Drug use amongst a large percentage of humans IS the norm. It has been shown that legallity makes little difference.

2 Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?

no, but i would like them to be able to get a smoke without associating themselves with the criminal class and therefore having the opportunity to get harder drugs. (which i also believe should be legal and regulated).
Also the children we should be most concerned about, the ones who are already in real trouble, are maxed to the eyeballs on SSRI's and other big pharma products anyway. I saw a study where 80% of kids in care are on 7 or more at once. When they have fits because of this they give them anti-fitting drugs. somebody's getting rich from that.

3 Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?

No more than i want them drunk. is booze legal where you live?

4 Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?

real criminals will. People who are involved in pot manufacture and distribution simply because they love pot will just enlarge the already ample market for pot and related products that already exists... already worth $3bn yearly i believe...

5 Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams?

Nope. I look awful with a moustache. My city is alot scarier than amsterdam already though, maybe it would mellow out some of the locals. they are a fierce bunch.

6 It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!

But would they bother? If they could get a bag at the corner store for a few bucks? much easier and less costly if you just want a wee puff once in a while...

The thrust of my argument is freedom of choice.
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08-22-2007, 01:37 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-22-2007, 02:01 PM by GunJ.)
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Quote:I think I see a flaw in this logic
1. Do we want drug use to become the norm?
2. Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?
3. Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?
4. Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?
Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams (stuck in soft rock culture and with 70s porn star moustaches?)
It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!

Sweet zombie jesus - you dont have a clue... Its like these very arguments are thrown in our face EVERY time the weed legislation is even PROPOSED. Funny as the likes of you are silent when it comes to booze, cigarettes and other substances...

So here we go:

1. No, what we want is to stop the never-ending, costly fight with substance that shouldn't be illegal to begin with. Destroying lives for a joint of a mostly harmless substance is simply BAD inadequate LAW.

2. No we dont want our kids stoned all the time. If you dont want yours - then spend some fucking time educating them and learning them about various substances and COMMON SENSE.
Why would you assume that bad and unjust law should take care of your offspring ?
Dont you have fears that your children will become alcoholics ?

DOUBLE STANDARDS people - wake the hell up.

3. Who the hell said that train drivers , car drivers , airline pilots should be automatically stoned if weed is legal ? Are they drunk now ? They have all the access they need to booze, whisky, beer etc. And ?
How many times do DUI happen in regard to booze ? Dont hear many voices against prohibition due to that..

IF you have any idea about the substance you mentioned - tell me HONESTLY (if you are publically capable of that) : Would you rather drive with someone stoned, or someone drunk ? (irreleveant how they obtained the substance).

If you ask ANYONE in the know - they will answer you all in the same way. And trust me, you dont want to be in a car with a drunk driver.


4. The criminals will not pack up and go home - EVER. This will simply not happen. What will happen is that one of their sources of income will become severely crippled and instead will be diverted towards government and legitimate budget uses. How is that bad ?
Plus who said - that the aim of the legislation change is directed towards complete elimination of crime ?
They will move up the drug ladder - it will be harder and with extra funds - drug attention of law enforcement will be directed towards that what IS and SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. (i.e. synthetic CHEMICAL substances)


If you cant control your children (and judging from point #2 - you have your fears) would you want them to be stoned from a substance they bought in a controled environment , along with a receipt , or would you want them to risk their life/future chances/legal status etc. and buy their weed from a dealer - like its happening now ?
Think dammnit. Stop spreading bullshit arguments that didnt change since the weed prohibition started. Your just misinforming others who read your crap. Nothing against you - if you can discuss in a fact-based manner, but if you treat those who read your posts with zero respect (offending their intelligence) then by all means get out and dont come back.

One more thing - since we all are here on ConCen for one reason or the other - the common element that binds us is the ability, or willingness to see things not as we are supposed to see them but as they are (or can be.)

For that reason alone I wanted to ask a question (a rhetorical one) : Is there even one person here, who believes that billions of dollars worth each year that are being traded for drugs (all sorts) are changing hands between random drug dealers ? Do you honestly think that those who have created these laws were acting only to "save us from ourselves" and limit our contact with drugs ?
Do you not feel that SOMEONE is making BIG B I G dollars on the global status quo and constant war on drugs, that is fought ? And they have only their bank accounts in mind and NOT our well being, and potential "demoralisation" due to drugs ?

Drug laws are bad and flawed and should be changed. I dont think making everything legal is a good idea, but keeping it illegal while some are making big money off it, under a pretence of war on drugs is not a better idea than full legality and control. Both have its flaws but legality and control is better, why wont it be tried ? Cause NOONE profits off of it.

Compare war on terror and war on drugs. Mostly we all here agree that war on terror is just a tool for more control, more money grabs and not a real legitimate threat. Why do you so fiercely believe that war on drugs is any different ?
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08-22-2007, 06:01 PM, (This post was last modified: 08-22-2007, 06:14 PM by Beerdwarf.)
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IF marijuana hadnt ever been illegal chances are that it would have a very low profile in society.
HOWEVER we do not start with a blank page and it has to be seen in context of the current situation and culture.

Criminal elements have cornered the market in illegal drugs so you are giving them a chance to apparently "go legit" which means they will expand their empires with marketing of drugs to kids and all. THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT WILL NOT GO AWAY!
Just look at the tobacco industry who have known since the late 18oos that smoking is bad for you, didnt and doesnt stop them promoting it in a very aggressive way.

What you have in places like Amsterdam (and yes Phil I have been to Amsterdam recently and frequently (last time 3 weeks ago) as I live close to the main ferry terminal in the UK. The place is crawling with criminals and pushers. Its a beautiful city which now has its primary source of income and tourism geared up to providing whores and every type of sexual deprivation along with highly engineered (yes by our old friend Monsanto to name but one) dope. Alongside this is a very visible hard drug culture and market. I had the unfortunate experience of staying last year in accommodation in the red light area which is also the main tourist area, and was offered heroin, crack cocaine and many other substances within 4 yards of the hotel entrance. Is this the kind of place you want to live in? Or walking through an open market where alongside vegetables and pottery, stalls openly sell (all displayed) dvds of women fucking dogs, anal penetration and other related acts. If people want to demean themselves this way fine but I DONT. Liberalisation has its limits

Quote:one of their sources of income will become severely crippled and instead will be diverted towards government and legitimate budget uses. How is that bad ?

No it wont become crippled, they will just sell the stuff more openly but now with the force of media advertising behind it...

Quote:drug attention of law enforcement will be directed towards that what IS and SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. (i.e. synthetic CHEMICAL substances)

So I guess you would legalise opium dens and cocaine then as well Brainiac?

Quote:If you cant control your children (and judging from point #2 - you have your fears) would you want them to be stoned from a substance they bought in a controled environment , along with a receipt , or would you want them to risk their life/future chances/legal status etc. and buy their weed from a dealer - like its happening now

Actually I have no desire to "control" my children. They both think for themselves. As for your second very weak argument, this could be applied to hard drugs, to ecstasy etc. And actually I would rather they dont smoke weed at all as you ask, I have brought them up to face reality without the need for a GM modified escape route.
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Quote:"along with a receipt"
...wtf!

Quote:Who the hell said that train drivers , car drivers , airline pilots should be automatically stoned if weed is legal ? Are they drunk now

Perhaps you are unaware that dope stays in your system for up to 6 weeks? And YES some of the above do get done for being drunk. That is not however a solid or even rational argument for making even more substances available.

Quote:Would you rather drive with someone stoned, or someone drunk ?
This implies a false choice linguistically. When the salesman says "do you want the medium or large size" you ALSO have the option to say NEITHER. Personally I wouldnt want to be in a car with anyone who wasnt in full command of their consciousness, prescription drugs included. And if your doped up driver cripples me by hitting me on the road because of poor spacial judgment and laughing like a gibbon, ...Im still dead.

Quote:sources of income will become severely crippled and instead will be diverted towards government and legitimate budget uses. How is that bad ?
Yes and government with more money and control over your life is a good thing, right?

Quote:if you can discuss in a fact-based manner, but if you treat those who read your posts with zero respect (offending their intelligence)

Duh. Its a forum for debate. Not sure I could offend your intelligence...:rolleyes:

Quote:then by all means get out and dont come back.

Too bad fella. Im here to stay. Long live free speech and debate on this forum!

Quote:Both have its flaws but legality and control is better, why wont it be tried ? Cause NOONE profits off of it.
It has been tried. See my comments on Amsterdam above and when it was piloted in parts of London. What a disaster that was. Brought all the scumbags scuttling to one place.

[quote]Why do you so fiercely believe that war on drugs is any different ?[quote]

Who said I agreed with a war on drugs? Look at the history of prohibition in America. Once made illegal it enables the criminals to get the monopoly which they then held onto. You cant undo that stranglehold.
Taking away the legislation doesnt take away the history.

The presupposition when this debate comes up is that we should actually need a substance like this in our daily lives.
WHY?
When I listen to people like Alan Watt and he talks about culture creation I see this being acted out in this debate by folk who are conditioned by group culture and it "being cool" and a bit "naughty", feel it is a vital part of life.

Lets consider for a moment that dope is not necessary for a happy life. Its escapism. Perhaps its just another one of the many tools brought in to keep us stupid and silent as Huxley talks about.
I lived through the 70s and I look at many of my friends who smoked dope regularly and are now in their 40s / 50s. With very few exceptions they illustrate graphically why Im glad I didnt feel the need for it. Its just another drug. And Im not against exploration of consciousness.

Ask the older stoners why they packed in smoking it. Not because it was illegal, that never stopped them. Its usually because they grew up and saw it for what it is, a crutch...
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08-22-2007, 06:46 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:There's a silent assumption at the basis of your reasoning that is yet to be justified, namely the hypothesis that legalization leads to massive increase in usage/abuse. And this premise is not a given since for instance we Dutch folks are, contrary to your assumption, not all stoned all the time. Upon legalization, while anyone will be permitted to grow MJ plants not everyone will, since not everyone will have the opportunity or the will and desire to do it not in the least place due to widespread availability. As such, your argument is flawed as well.

Well I guess upwards of 400 coffee shops in Amsterdam alone is a fair indicator of increase.
And Amsterdam is actively promoted as the place for drug tourism.

Its not just an issue of increase. Having dope pushed at you 24/7 makes people think its normal and necessary. Im sure if masturbating in public (no harm to anyone but the perpetrator or others) was made legal not everyone would participate but should we consider it necessary or desirable. :)

There is another interesting point here. Coffee shops are legal but wholesaling to them is illegal. So the people who supply the coffee shops are getting it from criminals. The Dutch police turn a blind eye to this though and its allowed for in tax returns of the shops...

It does mean however that the criminal element is still running the show
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08-23-2007, 04:14 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:
Quote: There's a silent assumption at the basis of your reasoning that is yet to be justified, namely the hypothesis that legalization leads to massive increase in usage/abuse. And this premise is not a given since for instance we Dutch folks are, contrary to your assumption, not all stoned all the time. Upon legalization, while anyone will be permitted to grow MJ plants not everyone will, since not everyone will have the opportunity or the will and desire to do it not in the least place due to widespread availability. As such, your argument is flawed as well.

Well I guess upwards of 400 coffee shops in Amsterdam alone is a fair indicator of increase. And Amsterdam is actively promoted as the place for drug tourism.
And the active promotion of drug tourism gives rise to an increase in demand of drug and this in turn gives rise to increase in the number of coffee shops. There you have your causal relationship right there while we Dutch folk do not have to smoke more weed to financially support the extra number of coffee-shops popped up. Of course, if weed were legalized globally we wouldn't see this kind of pronounced drug tourism to Amsterdam.

Quote:Its not just an issue of increase. Having dope pushed at you 24/7 makes people think its normal and necessary.
Dope pushing is entirely different from drug selling. I've been to Amsterdam on many occasions and even lived there for a while and I have never experienced some shady character come over to me trying to push weed on me. Coke, XTC, yes... but weed never. If all drugs were legalized the pushing of these drugs would vanish as well.

Quote:There is another interesting point here. Coffee shops are legal but wholesaling to them is illegal. So the people who supply the coffee shops are getting it from criminals. The Dutch police turn a blind eye to this though and its allowed for in tax returns of the shops...

It does mean however that the criminal element is still running the show
Yes, but even the drug policy around weed is still not based on complete legalization. The policy is more of a laissez faire kind regarding possession and use while growing large quantities of weed is still prosecuted as a criminal offense. The suppliers of weed have to literally use the backdoors of coffee-shops to sell their merchandise to shops and are thus engaged in illegal trading. It's a strange contradictory situation but surely even this legal double standard would be replaced by a consistent one if weed were to be legalized (or decriminalized) completely.
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08-25-2007, 07:44 AM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
I would only support legalization and regulation of marijuana in Canada if it fell under regulations like those for alcohol, where you can make/grow your own, but can't legally sell it without a license.

Otherwise it would just shift the main monopolization of the industry from underground organized crime, to the "legitimate" organized crime of the corporate world.

Anyone arguing prohibition, simply does not understand the dynamics that organized crime plays when it comes to drugs. Organized crime WANTS it to be illegal. That gives them a market. If people addicted to cocaine and herioin were offered medical treatment rather than jail time, things would be different.
If the illegallity didn't create little "rebellious" sub-cultures in our soceity, things would be very different.
In the USA, many people have died from over doses and what not because they were too afraid of the legal consequences of going to the hospital for help.
How fucked up is that?
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