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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
10-01-2007, 07:00 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:Who the hell said that train drivers , car drivers , airline pilots should be automatically stoned if weed is legal ? Are they drunk now

Perhaps you are unaware that dope stays in your system for up to 6 weeks?

That's completely irrelevent. We're talking about actually being impaired when you're flying the plane. If the pilot smokes a joint a few days before, even the day before the flight, he's not going to be stoned while he's flying the plane. You don't stay stoned for six weeks off of a joint.
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10-01-2007, 08:53 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:
Quote:Who the hell said that train drivers , car drivers , airline pilots should be automatically stoned if weed is legal ? Are they drunk now

Perhaps you are unaware that dope stays in your system for up to 6 weeks?

That's completely irrelevent. We're talking about actually being impaired when you're flying the plane. If the pilot smokes a joint a few days before, even the day before the flight, he's not going to be stoned while he's flying the plane. You don't stay stoned for six weeks off of a joint.

I can't stay stoned for more than 2 hours.
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10-03-2007, 10:12 AM,
#18
Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
[quote name='Beerdwarf' date='Aug 22 2007, 10:01 AM' post='88184']


Quote:Who the hell said that train drivers , car drivers , airline pilots should be automatically stoned if weed is legal ? Are they drunk now

''Perhaps you are unaware that dope stays in your system for up to 6 weeks?''


ahahhhhhhhhhhahahahahahahaha

it stays in ur fat cells lol i dont know anyone who has been stoned for 6 weeks off one joint..if SO PASS THAT ROUND!
ha also alot of ur arguments seem to come from the perspective of someone who has merely heard of effects
of these herbs and never used them..just curious do u or have u smoked/consumed MJ herb b4??
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10-06-2007, 11:34 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
The government likes to use precedent to influence pretty much every decision they make, yet on the prohibition of marijuana they seem to forget the 1920's.

Complete Prohibition in the United States was from 1920 - 1933, and during that time there was a HUGE increase in 'moonshine'. Afterwards, they went back to buying the beer legally. Not to say that there wasn't illegal brewing going on before and after, there still is today, but the number significantly dropped. That is what we might expect if marijuana is controlled.

It's just my opinion, I have no clue what will happen if / when it's government controlled.
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10-12-2007, 10:15 PM,
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
The thing everyone seems to forget with this debate is that there was a time when none of these drugs were illegal. I mean, buying heroin used to be no bigger deal than buying aspirin, and all of our train conductors and teachers blah blah blah weren't shooting up and the world/society was not coming to an end.

People decide whether they're going to consume drugs on more than if it is illegal or not. I'd say the number of people who drink alcohol and smoke tobacco only because it is legal and don't smoke pot only because it is illegal make up a negligible portion of the population. You can take this further. Many people smoke pot knowing full well it is illegal, does that mean, that by extension, since they don't mind breaking the law to ingest something, that pot smoker is going to shoot up heroin? By the logic of, if legal, people will do it, then yes. Because if willing to break the law for one thing, they'd be willing to break the law for others.

Fact of the matter is the issue is far more complicated than that. Addressing the reasons behind why some individuals ABUSE drugs is the issue. Blaming the drugs themselves is stupid. There are rock stars, rich wealthy people who abuse weed and cocaine all of their lives. In fact, the sheer amount of consumption of illegal drugs is a testament to their reliability and effectiveness, and in regards to most besides crack, heroin and meth, their safety as well.

It is really the most ignorant position to take, that weed should be illegal. The drug war is responsible for the US having the largest prison population in the world. Before Reagan, drug offenses made up 6% of the prison population. Today they make up 25%. Most petty theft and robberies are tangential to drug criminalization.

Essentially the drug war attempts to ban the freedom of choice of what an individual can put in his body. If you're not opposed to that on libertarian grounds than you should at least be against it because it is an obvious impossibility and it is stupid. Especially since, at least when it comes to pot, they have to lie about the reasons behind it in the first place.

I know the "dangers" of a liberal drug policy. I've had my stroll down Hastings Street in Vancouver's downtown East side. But I approve of that. Those people, because believe it or not, they're people. have a serious health problem. Addiction is no joke. It strips the humanity right out of someone. Robs them of their self control, their emotions, and their life really. These are people that need help. Do you think if meth and crack and heroin were legal than the youth of America would be clambouring to Skid Row to shoot up? That's just stupid. The laws need to change, people need to be educated, not propagandized, and the sick need to be helped. That's the only way a society can function normally. I mean, shit, have some compassion for these people. Even if they're rotten as shit. If you lived half of their lives, chances are you'd be in the same place.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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10-17-2007, 09:48 PM, (This post was last modified: 04-18-2012, 01:25 AM by proteinspill.)
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
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10-18-2007, 06:23 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-18-2007, 06:24 AM by Nyte.)
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
Quote:I think I see a flaw in this logic
Do we want drug use to become the norm?
Do you want your children to spend all their time stoned?
Do you want your train drivers, car drivers, airline pilots stoned?
Will the criminals all just pack up and go home? Or will they move the drug ladder up a notch?
Do you want your cities to end up as second rate Amsterdams (stuck in soft rock culture and with 70s porn star moustaches?)
It wont produce more tax cos ANYONE can grow a plant!


Lol replace stoned with drunk^^

Alcohol is legal..why not weed?

Wont produce tax? What about tobacco?

...jesus christ you dont know what your talking about
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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11-07-2007, 03:17 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-07-2007, 03:20 PM by nataraja.)
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
in theory ya, it will raise that much money.

but the reason why tobacco and alcohol are legal and cannabis not.

is alot more complicated than the mainstream led us to beleive.

the way i see it:

1) tobacco and alcohol are legal cause its difficult for the average man to produce them himself. I personally dont know how to grow tobacco in my closet or produce alcohol in my closet, but i can grow cannabis. so taxing a "drug" that can be grown relativly easy in somones house or garden will be a difficult task. ya they can make commerical grow farms which register with the state and pay tax based on their earnings, even produce nice little boxes and labels maybe even putting a lung cancer warning on the box.. hehe... and im sure people will buy this. regulation and control of cannabis will work to some extent in this aspect. but its surely will not decrease home production, or underground off market dealers, its likly that it will increase this.

2) the hemp aspect, if they legalize cannabis, hemp will be legal with it, i assume, as its mainstream perspective that they are the same thing, although untrue to some extent, irrelevant none the less. companies like dupont which revolutionised the synthetic textiles industry at the turn of the last century, were largly involved with the banning of hemp. these guys wont be too happy about a legalize hemp proposal, lets just hope that corporate corruption of the legislator office doesnt over power the power of the people.

so as much as i would like to see anywhere on the planet moving towards a legalization of the wonderful plant cannabis/hemp.

i find it an uphill battle where we have stoners and medical marijuana users on one side, and corporate interests and brainwashed dea and general population on the other.

good luck to all involved!

either way, i will still grow cannabis and still smoke my bongs.

peace!
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11-07-2007, 03:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-07-2007, 03:23 PM by nataraja.)
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Marijuana Dealers Offer Schwarzenegger One Billion Dollars
there is no argument against prohibition which stands.

i challenge any person to think of a feasible reason/argument why/how prohibition works.

you will not find one.
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