Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The Vatican’s triple crown: church, government and country
08-19-2007, 12:25 PM,
The Vatican’s triple crown: church, government and country
Quote:The Vatican’s triple crown: church, government and country

By setting up three legal identities and then adroitly switching from one to another, the Vatican has obtained unprecedented legal rights and international influence.

By Muriel Fraser for the National Secular Society, 23 November 2005

<div align='center'>[Image: X843_727_CWPhoneCard.png]

"The Vatican is inserted into the international community
because it is a state; once there, it behaves like a church."[1]

The post officer and radio station gave the Vatican State
membership in two international organisations. This, in turn,
allowed the Holy See (the "government" of this plot of land,
which is also the Church hierarchy), to get "permanent
observer" status at the United Nations. This gave the
Vatican an unbroken presence there and access to all
UN forums, both of them invaluable lobbying tools.</div>

“The Vatican State has set up its structures on our territory”, announced an indignant Russian newscaster. But he was quickly informed that this was not at all the case — heavens, no — the Vatican was acting, not as a state, but as “a religious centre”.[2] The poor Russian’s bafflement is understandable. In fact, the Vatican actually has, not two, but three persona, and all are separate legal entities.

The Pontiff’s “triple crown” can serve to remind us of his role as primate of the Church, as CEO of its government and as ruler of a pocket-sized principality. That is to say, he presides over three distinct entities:

* The Roman Catholic Church, an international organization claiming to provide exclusive access to, (or exemption from), certain otherworld destinations.

* The Holy See, an absolute monarchy, whose ruler appointed by God. (This Vatican entity itself plays two separate roles: it governs both the Church mentioned above and the vassal state mentioned below.)

* The Vatican State, a “country” of less than half a square kilometre whose 500 citizens are all Church officials.

<div align='center'>[Image: X843_727_CW3Crowns.png]</div>

We can begin this tale of multiple identities with the unification of Italy in 1870. That was when the Papal States were overrun by Italian troops and the Pope lost his kingdom in Central Italy. Early in the next century, however, with the help of Pope Pius XI, Mussolini came to power.[3] In 1929 the Italian government made a treaty with the Church government, the Holy See, which gave it back enough land to create the smallest “country” in the world, the Vatican State.

Although the Vatican once more had a plot of land to call its own, it had learned a valuable lesson: that territory may be confiscated, but a government can survive, even in exile. In other words, an organisation, especially one that influences the minds of millions, offers a more secure base than real estate. This may well be why the Holy See is careful to hold the Vatican State at arm’s length as a “vassal territory”, rather than ruling it directly. When it acts on the international stage the Vatican takes the additional precaution of appearing in the guise of the Holy See, a non-territorial entity, rather than as the Vatican State. This keeps its international presence and privileges from having to depend upon a plot of land defended by a hundred and ten men armed with pikes. (As a former guardsman recently revealed, their arsenal now includes tear gas and pepper spray, as well, in order to protect the "Holy Father" from the attentions of "religious fanatics".[4])

Even so, the tiny Vatican State has proved invaluable as a springboard into international diplomacy. True, it is the Holy See, not the Vatican State that takes up diplomatic relations with other countries. And it is also true that the mini-state isn’t big enough to hold all the foreign embassies, so the ambassadors are forced to camp outside the borders of a “country” that they aren’t even officially being sent to. However, if it weren’t for the Vatican State, the Holy See’s diplomacy could hardly be expected to function in practical terms.

This diplomatic exchange works both ways. The Holy See runs its own diplomatic service, with “Apostolic Nuncios” serving as accredited ambassadors to countries round the globe. The pope also makes “state visits”. Paul VI, "the Pilgrim Pope", became the first pontiff to visit five continents, while John Paul II managed to visit 130 countries. Here, as usual, the different roles are adroitly combined. As “pilgrimages” these trips are liturgical spectacles – and as “state visits” they get paid for by the host country.

"...The advantages sovereign state status confers, including banking unspervised by any banking authority, the ability to issue passports, the granting of diplomatic immunity and membership of international organisations at the state level, should not be underestimated." [5]

In 2005 the Vatican used its diplomatic pretensions as the basis for a protest to the US Government. It reminded the Americans that the Holy See was a “sovereign entity” and suggested that they “recall the immunity for its acts that international law anticipates." [6] Here the Holy See was actually invoking “diplomatic immunity” to try to keep the Church from having to pay damages to children abused by its own priests. In August Archbishop Levada “decided [!] to honour a subpoena he was served [thereby], accepting the jurisdiction of U.S. courts. He had previously refused to agree to jurisdiction and other conditions”. [7] And in September 2005 "the U.S. Justice Department […] told a Texas court that a lawsuit accusing Pope Benedict XVI of conspiring to cover up the sexual molestation of three boys by a seminarian should be dismissed because the pontiff enjoys immunity as head of state of the Holy See." [8]

Vatican diplomats, the Apostolic Nuncios, also have another important function. They negotiate agreements with other sovereign states in order to secure privileges for the Church. However, because these agreements are signed, not by bishops from the Church, but by ambassadors from the Holy See, such “treaties” (called “concordats”) lay claim to be international law. This allows them to override national legislation. And this means that privileges, once granted to the Church, are removed from democratic control – forever. [9]

But perhaps the greatest benefit from posing as a government is the wedge this has given the Vatican to infiltrate the United Nations. To accomplish this, it has skillfully exploited its three legal identities for the past 75 years. Finally the goal of full membership seems almost within its grasp.

In 1929, the very year it was founded, the Vatican State joined the Universal Postal Union, and later on, the International Telecommunications Union, as well. [10] Membership in these international bodies then allowed the Holy See in 1957 to get “observer” privileges at the United Nations (as opposed to the mere “consultative status” accorded to most non-governmental organizations – including other religions). [11] In 1964 it managed to have these privileges upgraded, when the Holy See acquired “permanent observer” status at the UN. This permitted an unbroken presence at the UN and access to all UN forums. Both of these are invaluable for lobbying at important UN events such as the Conference on Population and Development. [12]

This conference was strategic for the Vatican, since developing nations rely heavily on the UN to help out with social services. As a result, people living in these countries, regardless of their religious affiliation, are increasingly subject to Church dogma – to policies which condemn millions to unwanted pregnancies and AIDS. [13]

As if that weren’t enough, just a year ago, the privileges of the Holy See were upgraded to “enhanced observer status”, which now lets it take part in General Assembly debates and exert still more Church influence. The only thing it still lacks for full membership is the right to vote. And that will come. As its Permanent Observer at the UN remarked serenely, “We have no vote because this is our choice.” At the same time he noted pointedly that this latest move “does not close any path for the future.” [14]

Through legal entities and lawyers the Vatican will win full membership. The triple-tiered Papal headgear is being used to engineer a major human tragedy.


[1][1] The Tablet, (British Catholic weekly newspaper), 17 September 1994, quoted in Peter Hebblethwaite, "Vatican's vaunted diplomacy a no-show; moral absolutes trip pope's negotiators at U.N. meeting in Cairo", National Catholic Reporter, 7 October 1994.

[2] “Russia: Varied State Response to Orthodox-Catholic Rift” Keston News Service, 22 February 2002.

[3] Center For Reproductive Law & Policy, special report, “Church or State? The Holy See at the United Nations”, July 1994.

[4] Karl-Heinz Früh quoted by John Tagliabue, ”Swiss Guard marks 500 years as popes' potted plants”, New York Times, 18 November 2005.

[5] David Ranan, Double Cross: The code of the Catholic Church, London, 2006, pp. 24-25.

[6] Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls quoted by John L. Allen Jr, "Vatican asks Condoleezza Rice to help stop a sex abuse lawsuit", National Catholic Reporter, 3 March 2005.

[7] "Archbishop to turn doctrinal watchdog will answer on abuse", Associated Press, 11 August 2005.

[8] "Feds say pope immune from sex-abuse lawsuit", Associated Press, 21 September 2005.

[9] Muriel Fraser, "What are Concordats?"

[10] “The History of Stamps Part of a Broader Museum of Human Communications”, Vatican State.

[11] David Nolan, "The Catholic Church at the United Nations: Church or State?" 21 February 2001.

[12] “The Holy See Deserves a Voice at the UN which is No Louder than Any Other NGO”, National Secular Society Newsline, 4 February 2004.

See also three superb exposés by Jennifer Butler who got an inside view through her work for the Presbyterian Church USA's UN Office:

* “For Faith and Family: Christian Right Advocacy at the United Nations”, The Public Eye, Political Research Associates, Summer / Fall 2000.

* “Alarmed by Global Progress on Reproductive Rights, the Religious Right Storms the United Nations”, TRC Report – News and Views from the Religious Consultation on Population, Reproductive Health and Ethics.

* “New Sheriff in Town: The Christian Right Nears Major Victory at the United Nations”, Public Eye, Political Research Associates, Summer 2002.

[13] “Church or State? The Holy See at the United Nations”, Special Report, Center for Reproductive Law & Policy, July 1994.

[14] “Vatican's Role at UN Expanded”, Catholic Family and Human Institute, 17 July 2004. For a more detailed account, see Serra Sippel, "UNfulfilled: The Holy See Backs off From Its Claim for Full Membership of the UN, Settling for the Rights Already Held by Palestine", Conscience, Winter 2004-05.
I'm lumping together various information concerning law (the illusion of control through words) here:
08-19-2007, 05:48 PM,
The Vatican’s triple crown: church, government and country
Please dont laugh..... :biggrin:

<div align='center'>[Image: 7a84170009.jpg]</div>
08-19-2007, 06:09 PM,
The Vatican’s triple crown: church, government and country
Quote:“The Vatican State has set up its structures on our territory”, announced an indignant Russian newscaster. But he was quickly informed that this was not at all the case — heavens, no — the Vatican was acting, not as a state, but as “a religious centre”.[2] The poor Russian’s bafflement is understandable. In fact, the Vatican actually has, not two, but three persona, and all are separate legal entities.

What a hard line commie.... he is lucky the banks are doing business with Russia.

Now they let the Vatican in.

Like he knows whats gong on.

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
Question virtual confession and CryptoLight church in TOR natalyererro 1 732 03-20-2014, 04:13 AM
Last Post: pax681
  Catholic Church enslaved 30,000 Irish women for being too beautiful mexika 3 1,014 05-06-2013, 01:32 AM
Last Post: mexika
  Mormon church threatens to excommunicate member who criticized Romney h3rm35 0 402 09-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Last Post: h3rm35
  Vatican orders Catholics to watch the Blues Brothers h3rm35 1 693 06-23-2012, 01:42 AM
Last Post: h3rm35
  Haters of Humanity: The Church of Malthus CharliePrime 0 535 04-15-2012, 03:41 PM
Last Post: CharliePrime
  The Crown of Life Solve et Coagula 0 345 02-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Last Post: Solve et Coagula
  Did the Church oppress the Dead Sea Scrolls? MasterDruid 22 4,586 07-03-2011, 11:51 AM
Last Post: Azrael
  If you are baptised in the Catholic religion does the Catholic church keep record Weyland 4 1,034 05-31-2011, 05:29 PM
Last Post: Amerikagulag
  Tony, the Vatican and finding Truth through Jesus Christ mothandrust 0 599 12-06-2010, 04:46 PM
Last Post: mothandrust
  Vatican newspaper praises Homer Simpson‎ dicktater 0 749 10-20-2010, 06:09 AM
Last Post: dicktater

Forum Jump:

Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)