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The Way of Salvation
08-31-2007, 01:00 PM,
#1
The Way of Salvation
Its quite simple to prove that God exists actually.

Its the same as telling someone about a building and who put it up.

If there is a building, there must have been a builder.

If there is a painting, there must have been a painter.

If there is a creation, there must be a creator.

To say that the world happend by accident is to say that those buildings and paintings could have happend by chance too.

If I told you that the watch on your wrist just got their by accident you would be insulted, or atleast I hope you would be yet many people are more willing to believe that the arm that the watch is attached to, which is faarr more complex, is the result of an accident that occured with no raw materials.

I do have something in common with evolutionists though.. The big bang theory. Execpt my one states..... In the beggining ,God created the heavens and the earth. The evolutionists states....In the beggining, nothing.

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does the bible.

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The 10 commandments are the standard of which God requires, for us to enter into heaven.

If you break one of them then you cannot enter into heaven.

See how you measure up to Gods standards.

Exodus Chapter 20:

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.



The 10 commandments are Gods holy Law, those who break them are worthy of death. To break them is to commit SIN. SIN seperates us from God and understanding the bible and will put us in hell if we die IN them.

Hebrews:9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

Ezekiel:18:4: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

We all have a conscience, conscience is a two-fold word. 'Con' meaning With, and 'Science' meaning knowledge. So we are 'with knowledge' of right and wrong, that knowledge was put there by God so that we know when we have done wrong. Our conscience convicts us when we know we are doing something that we know to be the bad thing to do.

Has your consciene just convicted you? Do you feel that pull? That still small voice inside which has alerted you that you have done something wrong?

In the state that you are currently in means that you know you have done wrong and that you are a sinner. The Bible states that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. A sinner is worthy of punishment. That punishment is seperation from God and eternity spent in hell, which is eventually cast into the lake of fire after the judgement. There is no escape from this place and it is far worse than what your imagination can possibly invisage.

But there is the good news of the gospel!

Psalms:19:7: The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Do you know how people can get to heaven? Do you know what God did so that you wouldnt have to die in your sinfull state?

John:3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John:3:17: For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

When the Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross, he offered up his body as a living sacrifice, no one forced him to his death, he went willingly. The bible tells us so.

The Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh, he is the only one to ever walk the earth who lead a PERFECT and SINLESS LIFE! He died on the cross for a reason. God poured out his anger onto him, so that those who believe on his name will not have to face the same punishment! He took your place if you believe in him! You can go to heaven if you put your trust in him and turn from your sin!

He lived the life that we couldnt, when a born again believer dies, God doesnt see his/her sin, God sees the perfection of Christs life because the believer is trusting in Jesus! The Lord Jesus KEPT ALL 10 COMMANDMENTS!

Christ hung on the cross naked so that we could be clothed in his righteousness!
The sun went dark that the believers future could be bright!
He was rejected by God, that believers would never be rejected!

Revelation:1:18: I am he that liveth (JESUS), and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


Romans:6:23: For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Will you put your trust in him today?

Romans:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans:10:10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans:10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Thank you for your time.
Romans:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans:10:10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans:10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans:10:12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans:10:13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Mark:8:36: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
You may defeat the new world order, but if you die in your sins without the saviour, you will still spend eternity in hell.
Put your eternal destiny first and trust in christ.
Mattew:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness
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08-31-2007, 04:45 PM,
#2
The Way of Salvation
If you are a normal, intelligent person;
Some things for you to consider:

- So only and exclusively christianity has salvation?
- What do you think about new testament and gnostic apocrypha (books that didn't make it to the canon)?
- How can canon be absolute word of god, if it was constructed in 4th century by some officials with fine hats? You know that some books which are now considered "uninspired" almost made it, but were later refused because they contained some controversial stuff which would a bit awaken sheep?
- After all the science giving us proofs of evolution, all some people need is an idiot "speaking in tongues" to prove god(young earth creationists)?
- What about eastern religions, did god forget them? Why didn't he send a messenger there? (Buddha was of course heretic in christian's view)
- Do you know that reincarnation was present in judaism even before christianity? And do you know it was present in christianity too? Even some bible passages talk about it, but they were modified. Did you know, that gnosis and reincarnation concepts were removed from bible for purpose?
- Did you know god of love and mercy himself (YHVH) kills 2,270,369+ (you can get this number in the bible if you count all victims), while Satan kills only 10 in the bible?

Enough for now.
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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09-01-2007, 03:07 PM,
#3
The Way of Salvation
Maybe you could pick up a bible and investigate for yourself?

If you would like I can send you one for free. There is a PDF of the bible on the tracker if that helps.

Seek and you will find.
Romans:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans:10:10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans:10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans:10:12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans:10:13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Mark:8:36: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
You may defeat the new world order, but if you die in your sins without the saviour, you will still spend eternity in hell.
Put your eternal destiny first and trust in christ.
Mattew:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness
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09-01-2007, 05:23 PM,
#4
The Way of Salvation
I have multiple bibles, I've been studying some hebrew and greek, I' ve been born again christian. I can understand you. I been there myself and I've been ignorant enough to think I have found the truth. I've been really much into apologetics until I started discovering stuff that really bothered me... (especially on erased history of gnostics)

I completely understand you and respect your opinion. But you will see, one day you will find the light.
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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09-03-2007, 08:33 PM,
#5
The Way of Salvation
Quote:I have multiple bibles, I've been studying some hebrew and greek, I' ve been born again christian. I can understand you. I been there myself and I've been ignorant enough to think I have found the truth. I've been really much into apologetics until I started discovering stuff that really bothered me... (especially on erased history of gnostics)

I completely understand you and respect your opinion. But you will see, one day you will find the light.

You say you are 'born again', this means to have Christ as your saviour and to believe in the word of God. But you also say that you dont believe, so which one is it?

Hope to hear from you soon. Sorry for the late reply.
Romans:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans:10:10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans:10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans:10:12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans:10:13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Mark:8:36: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
You may defeat the new world order, but if you die in your sins without the saviour, you will still spend eternity in hell.
Put your eternal destiny first and trust in christ.
Mattew:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness
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09-03-2007, 10:10 PM,
#6
The Way of Salvation
This building builder and painting painter shit is nonesense.

You cannot use analogies like that on the cosmic level.

Buildings and paintings are created by us and we know it, but the universe is still up for grabs.

Just because it's there doesn't necessarly mean someone willed it into existence. Beleiving that is so is just a form of personification. You're taking your mortality and casting it on the universe.

If there is no beginning, there is no end and no creator.
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09-03-2007, 10:18 PM,
#7
The Way of Salvation
Quote:You say you are 'born again', this means to have Christ as your saviour and to believe in the word of God. But you also say that you dont believe, so which one is it?

Hope to hear from you soon. Sorry for the late reply.
Both.
Yes, even if you WERE born again you can go away from "god".
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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09-04-2007, 09:43 AM,
#8
The Way of Salvation
I know there is a God and it is the God of the bible. I hope you go back to him soon Marko.

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"Just because it's there doesn't necessarly mean someone willed it into existence." - Can you name something that we have that no one ever created? Everything we have is here for a reason and serves a purpose. Seek and you will find.
Romans:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans:10:10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans:10:11: For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Romans:10:12: For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Romans:10:13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Mark:8:36: For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
You may defeat the new world order, but if you die in your sins without the saviour, you will still spend eternity in hell.
Put your eternal destiny first and trust in christ.
Mattew:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness
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