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What If We Are Crashing The System?
11-29-2007, 04:08 AM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
As I read through this long thread, I agree with most of it, yet it srikes me as pecular the feel of it all.

On & on about lose your ego find yourself become your own god. So much orating, $100 words and philosophy, it all sounds so deep and intellectual.

Isn't the quest to be so deep and intellectual in and of itself an egotistical one ???

Why not simplify ??? :biggrin:
there are far too many big heads, taking simple messages and complicating them. For example -
Quote:This is why I'm telling you that yesterday is lost and tomorrow doesn't exist. Both of these temporal realities are realms of your ego. When you think back on yesterday and back in history, your ego is in total control. Remember, it is not you who is thinking, not the real you. You are here and now, the spirit if you will, the soul that is always in the moment. That is you. You are the guy that feels, the guy that loves. So, listen to your heart, be here and now, and you will get in touch with the real you. Perhaps for the first time, which will make it even more profound.

The only one that can stop you is your own ego. Nothing else.
Simplified = the precious present, - I think everyone can hear and understand, a simple truth.


PLEASE don't take that personaly Milstein, I enjoy reading what you think, and agree with most of it, but imho too many words causes confusion.
You too inc, You guys (not only you 2, this isn't personal ) are making things harder than need be.
Quote:Man of today, being consumed by his ego to a large or full extent, seeks continuosly to complicate things, to analyze things down to root level. Everything must have a cause, everything must be explained. This is the driving force behind science, where we strive to explain all things. But as any scientist will tell you, the more we learn the more complicated things get.

Watts once said that the reason for this is that we simply don't understand that the universe and all it contains is simply ourselves. We are God, the universe and all things in it. What in effect we are doing is trying to look at ourselves, and as a result the universe has to pull back the closer we get. You may not agree, but it is a fascinating concept nonetheless, and experimentally it is perfectly sound. Everything gets infinitely more complex the closer we get to it.
Isn't this whole thread an example of that ?
Though few seem to be stepping back to see the bigger point of view, there is plenty of aggreement on this thread, really there is, go back and read it, if you can find the time.

Yet, it was considered a pissing match, I don't get it, why?:confused:
The only real disagreement I can see is whether or not God applies and who is God.
Why can't some believe and others not ?
Why does this cause conflict, the rest of the matter is basically in agreement ?

Sharing our opinions is not, shoving them down the others throats, as some have claimed.
Why can't we have a thread, that contains god, bible, and gnosticism where a debate can exist without calling others or their views, something demeaning, or taking it too personally if they disagree ?



Quote:It is a myth that you can do good or evil, you never can. How can you do good if you don't know what you are? To produce what you call good implies two things: first, your desire to do good implies that you're currently doing bad. Secondly, it implies that you know what good is, and that is rarely the case. What is good? It's the opposite of bad or evil is one answer, but what's that, then? Anything that you can put the label "good" onto will be "bad" for someone else. It's the polarity game yet again -- there never was an absolute good, nor was there ever absolute evil.
I am concerned that to say there is no good/evil will give permission to people to be evil.
NO, it's not all black and white, but sometimes it is.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind of the evil capabilities in man, ALL men. Evil for personal gain, not done passively, or unconsciously, but known up front and done willingly sometimes even proudly.



The message of needing to find yourself, your spirit, essence or innocence, need not be so complicated, nor does seeking or referring to God inhibit it.


btw,
what's up with alan watts all over the CCforum lately, and why can't he be as flawed as the rest of us ?
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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11-29-2007, 04:12 AM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
Quote:To add, no matter how free you might be in reality, the mind or perception can cause one only to see bondage, and manifest that. And that is in fact the case, we all have the ability within to manifest freedom, however the mind or perception points to this or that as being the bondage.
so complicated


I used to drive a bus for the red cross, taking the elderly and handicaped about and delivering meals.

The freest folks I've ever known were the group of retarded and downs syndrome adults that I took back and forth daily.
What fun they were, the best part of my day, they could have cared less what the controllers did or did not do, they paid NO attention to them, but not because they were mentally incapable. But because they were too busy living to even notice them.
Living and enjoying that's all they knew, they lived it and breathed it.
- simplicity


"Look at me! Look at me!
Look at me NOW!
It is fun to have fun
But you have to know how.
~ the cat in the hat, Dr Suess :biggrin:
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

At NASA, it really is rocket science, and the decision makers really are rocket scientists.
But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
-John Schwartz & Matthew L. Wade
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11-29-2007, 04:41 AM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
I think there are things goin on at a fundamental level that should be presented to the masses while any free will still exists,

quote:
Theres a lot of ppl concerned about chemtrails, vaccines etc, but if cancer and such are viral, contagious and deliberately introduced, that is one of the greatest evils ever committed to global humanity, and may very well only be in its infancy. I mean how many ppl died, and will die from cancer, and what if all the causes were being fed are bs, that every single death from every kind of cancer was spawned in a lab of the elites, it makes aids look well you know what i mean, i hope.

We see sickness as being a norm these days, an accepted, i mean what if sickness before the manipulation was always bacterial, fungal, protozoal, and parasitic in nature, that is living, i mean there is an argument that viruses are not alive, and never were but manipulation of DNA and RNA, which has caused a mutation, piggy backing and spreading with other infectious disease, the bacteria, fungal, protozoal, and parasitic . That is a manipulation, with a delivery system, an engineered infection, a rewritten bit of code, MAN MADE.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=17926#


This is the issue, this is the one, its implications are catastrophic, who knows the extent really, now what, half of all ppl, rate doubling every 5 years, whats goin on here, is it all engineered?

Is this the Plague of our time? Read and watch the movie. Ideas of re-wrapping and spreading the word, to the masses.

http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/torrents...17522c9.torrent
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11-29-2007, 05:35 AM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
Great post Jack, thanks. I agree that it's really simple, and that simplicity is the goal.

However, as you say, things tend to be more complicated, and I tend to want to explain things in more detail when I see that people don't understand what I'm saying.. It's a curse. :smile:

So yeah, let's make it simple: feel first, think later.
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11-29-2007, 06:08 AM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
its what im saying but not, too tired to really state, but heres an example, if just feeling is the answer, prozac is great at making one a drone and "feel". However that spark within is smoldered, that is, i illustrated in previous posts, balance through internal and external energies, and the atrophy that occurs within from choosing external on a physical chemical level, binding man to the external. Both will lead to feeling content etc, especially these days, pharmalogical drugs and some herbs foods etc, have come a long way, and deny a crash if you will, however keep you dead to your real passion and inspiration or connection. But youll feel good.

Nite.
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11-29-2007, 04:45 PM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
Quote:if just feeling is the answer, prozac is great at making one a drone and "feel".

No it isn't. Prozac will f you up big time. If you don't believe me, I suggest you try it for a year or so.

Why does everybody automatically translate the word "feel" to "feeling happy" or "feeling good" ? I've never said that's the goal, to fluff around and feel like you're walking on pink fluffy clouds.. Of course, if that's what you believe is the thing to do, then by all means.:love:

I mean that whatever you're faced with, you can often feel the solution to it with some practice, there's no need to bring in the mind to analyze things first. Intuition it's called, I believe. I call it balanced mind and spirit. :smile:
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11-29-2007, 06:52 PM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
Words and ideas are being hijacked, for exmple balance for most comes from an external source like the metaphoric apple, cigs, or pot, alcohol,foods,pharmacopia,herbals,lusts, etc etc. This will bring a perceived spiritual balance, a stillness or increase in the mind and body as long as there continued(this is the place disease is bred and grow, till a place of observable manifestation). When stopped tho an unbalance will occur, a cleansing, and shift in polarity to a place of reclaimed balance from energy source within (painful and humbling process, a cleansing from pride and false strength), that in fact, the former mentioned, external power sources,is the cause of that which is within to atrophy, this atrophy is the disconnection to ones real self, and what gave spawn to the ego based reality. And an extension of, from this root concept is the world were living in today. Ultimately its a surrender to this internal energy, by turning from the external, and letting it govern and manifest throughout , that frees one from the external based reality, the system. Anythin other then this shift, polarization, is in fact still within the realm of the ego based reality, the system, just another manifestation. That is unless you address the root, it will ultimately govern all the branches and leaves, even tho the branches and leaves may look right, or even better to the eye, more powerful, they produce no fruit, are sterile.
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11-29-2007, 07:04 PM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
I relocated this amazing text that inc has just reminded me of. And because there is such disdain or suspiciousness for even the word God or Krishna, I have replaced it with The Source .

'The Source is likened to the roots of a tree. If you want to supply water to a tree and you give it to the roots, automatically the whole tree will get the benefit. But if you try and water all the branches, leaves, flowers, etc without supplying water to the roots then it will be useless. So if we try to please ourselves that will not be successful. It will end in frustration. But if we try to please The Source automatically we will become satisfied ourselves and also everyone else will benefit too. Source is the root of the entire creation. If you succeed in pleasing The Source, everyone will benefit.'
S Prabhupada (1974)
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11-29-2007, 07:17 PM,
What If We Are Crashing The System?
To add, all tho speaking in metaphor, its to demonstrate real physiological systems observable within chemistry and biology. More then just a perception that is.
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05-10-2011, 06:19 AM,
RE: What If We Are Crashing The System?
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05-20-2011, 09:48 AM,
RE: What If We Are Crashing The System?
Is that what your ego tells you, with your knowing glance and wink, the bible is a de-construct of the ego, it is the ego that wont let you see that. Humility, charity, forgiveness, meekness, longsuffering, temperance etc.etc. think how the ego wars with concepts laid out in bible, the ego that wishes self gratification at ever turn and endeavor. I think i missed some of Milstein's posts, but if its like the magician paste by Ox, ya its in line, expanded upon, relating more, a good exercise.
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05-20-2011, 10:21 AM,
RE: What If We Are Crashing The System?
(05-20-2011, 09:48 AM)johnsonkid Wrote: Is that what your ego tells you, with your knowing glance and wink, the bible is a de-construct of the ego, it is the ego that wont let you see that. Humility, charity, forgiveness, meekness, longsuffering, temperance etc.etc. think how the ego wars with concepts laid out in bible, the ego that wishes self gratification at ever turn and endeavor. I think i missed some of Milstein's posts, but if its like the magician paste by Ox, ya its in line, expanded upon, relating more, a good exercise.

The virtues of "Humility, charity, forgiveness, meekness, longsuffering, temperance etc.etc." can be at odds with ones' ego, but I fail to see the tie-in with crashing the system. Your post seems to me, to preassume the reader is one the exact same wave-length as you, when in all likelyhood, we're on the same page, and a few blanks filled in would convey the message far clearer.

No offence, but I found your post very disjointed, and it reminds me of the writing style of former member SerialExpLain.
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08-26-2011, 09:33 PM,
RE: What If We Are Crashing The System?
Allegories are good only insofar as they are true representations ...

Quote:'The Source is likened to the roots of a tree. If you want to supply water to a tree and you give it to the roots, automatically the whole tree will get the benefit. But if you try and water all the branches, leaves, flowers, etc without supplying water to the roots then it will be useless. So if we try to please ourselves that will not be successful. It will end in frustration. But if we try to please The Source automatically we will become satisfied ourselves and also everyone else will benefit too. Source is the root of the entire creation. If you succeed in pleasing The Source, everyone will benefit.'
S Prabhupada (1974)

Actually, if you allow:

If Source is likened to roots of a tree. (sentence 1)
And YOU are likened to branches, leaves, flowers of that tree. (sentences 2 and 3)
And "if YOU succceed in pleasing the roots/Source [...]" (last sentence)

HOW EXACTLY are YOU - represented by "branches, leaves, flowers" - supposed to succed in anything similar to pleasing the Source - represented by roots?







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11-01-2012, 08:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-01-2012, 08:12 AM by deathstickboy.)
RE: What If We Are Crashing The System?
I bump this epic thread for having everything, great debates and a complete and total meltdown by a psycho-bitch who STILL couldn't stay away from this topic with her new alters after having been banned for going off the fucking rails.
LOL

take some time and read through it when you can.....first 5-8 pages at least....
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