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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
10-29-2007, 07:27 AM, (This post was last modified: 10-29-2007, 07:27 AM by s0cks.)
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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
Interesting article. It does seem a lot of Al Gore's points were just speculation, but I think overall he got the point across. A number of points mentioned in the article aren't completely forthcoming either.

For example, the medieval warm period is questionable. Its believed there were localized areas of warming, but globally the temperatures were lower than today.

It also states that CO2 increases followed temperature increases. This was true in the past. As temperatures raised naturally, then perma-frost melted and more CO2 was released. These days however, temperature rise follows the rise in CO2.

There is the other point of population. I think the author of this article was looking to bump his number of inconveniences. Population increase is a major problem. If we were to let the population grow exponentially as it does now for the next 730 years there would be one person per 1 square metre of land on earth. Clearly this is unsustainable, so do we try and reduce population now, or let nature take control after we have doubled in numbers? I'm sure the suffering would be far greater then.

Overall its a fairly good article. Nothing from any political party, member or person can usually be taken word for word. I think he has at least made more people aware of global warming, and even if it is not the cause of humans, every thing we do to prevent CO2 is usually cleaner and more refreshing. It also reduced our dependence on finite fossil fuels.
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10-29-2007, 05:33 PM,
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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
Quote:Interesting article. It does seem a lot of Al Gore's points were just speculation, but I think overall he got the point across. A number of points mentioned in the article aren't completely forthcoming either.

For example, the medieval warm period is questionable. Its believed there were localized areas of warming, but globally the temperatures were lower than today.

It also states that CO2 increases followed temperature increases. This was true in the past. As temperatures raised naturally, then perma-frost melted and more CO2 was released. These days however, temperature rise follows the rise in CO2.

There is the other point of population. I think the author of this article was looking to bump his number of inconveniences. Population increase is a major problem. If we were to let the population grow exponentially as it does now for the next 730 years there would be one person per 1 square metre of land on earth. Clearly this is unsustainable, so do we try and reduce population now, or let nature take control after we have doubled in numbers? I'm sure the suffering would be far greater then.

Overall its a fairly good article. Nothing from any political party, member or person can usually be taken word for word. I think he has at least made more people aware of global warming, and even if it is not the cause of humans, every thing we do to prevent CO2 is usually cleaner and more refreshing. It also reduced our dependence on finite fossil fuels.

Your too kind to him. In my opinion he's more akin to a corpulent masonic pied piper of hamlyn. As far as population control goes I think you've hit the nail on the head - for sure it'd be better to start increasing the rate of the cull now rather than leaving it to nature..minimise the suffering, you are so right. who do you think should be sterilised/removed first?

On a less serious note I think it can be found that all data relating to the medieval warm period and the little ice age is actually of little value as meteorological records of the time pertained only to europe and as such are worthless in building a global view.
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10-30-2007, 01:49 AM,
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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
Quote:Your too kind to him. In my opinion he's more akin to a corpulent masonic pied piper of hamlyn. As far as population control goes I think you've hit the nail on the head - for sure it'd be better to start increasing the rate of the cull now rather than leaving it to nature..minimise the suffering, you are so right. who do you think should be sterilised/removed first?

On a less serious note I think it can be found that all data relating to the medieval warm period and the little ice age is actually of little value as meteorological records of the time pertained only to europe and as such are worthless in building a global view.

I personally believe the population problem will take care of itself. As resouces run out, wars start, aid to poorer countries stops it will eventually fall. The current population can only be sustained currently because of the energy rich fossil fuels we use. No-one would willingly want someone to be sterilised, removed, but the sad fact is that the poorer countries will be the ones to suffer first.

He has clearly jumped on the "save the planet" band wagon to promote himself, but I think he would have been better than Bush.
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10-30-2007, 02:01 AM,
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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
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Quote:Your too kind to him. In my opinion he's more akin to a corpulent masonic pied piper of hamlyn. As far as population control goes I think you've hit the nail on the head - for sure it'd be better to start increasing the rate of the cull now rather than leaving it to nature..minimise the suffering, you are so right. who do you think should be sterilised/removed first?

On a less serious note I think it can be found that all data relating to the medieval warm period and the little ice age is actually of little value as meteorological records of the time pertained only to europe and as such are worthless in building a global view.

I personally believe the population problem will take care of itself. As resouces run out, wars start, aid to poorer countries stops it will eventually fall. The current population can only be sustained currently because of the energy rich fossil fuels we use. No-one would willingly want someone to be sterilised, removed, but the sad fact is that the poorer countries will be the ones to suffer first.

He has clearly jumped on the "save the planet" band wagon to promote himself, but I think he would have been better than Bush.

I dont know man, I dont think he ever would have got in, he's not really a war president, that's not his function.

the rest I agree but would say the poorer countries suffering is already happening now rather than a future event, although you know it too I know.

cheers

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10-30-2007, 03:37 AM,
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25 inconvenient truths for Al Gore.
Quote:I dont know man, I dont think he ever would have got in, he's not really a war president, that's not his function.

Didn't he actually win the elections originally?
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