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Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
11-03-2007, 01:21 AM,
#76
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Mmmm...ok, one at a time.

Quote:I’ve been reading back this discussion looking for your opinions about the supposed Western assets and I couldn’t find anything negative! You just mention how bad the West is and who their assets are.

You don't really see the big picture do you. You are so wrapped up in how one religion preaches this, and the other religion preaches that. Don't you realise, we are all being played? Global religion, differences between people, it's all just a manipulation to control us. Hamza, and all the other easily influenced dupes are serving a dual role. One is to recriut more useful idiots, to stir up hatred in their own ranks and create more marter fodder for the mass blood letting that is the war on terror. The second role is to feed the fear and hatred that the West has been duped into believing.

Quote:Al Queda is getting paid by the American government is what you tell me. But this organisation you don’t criticize at all for the atrocities they commit for the American government. For you it seems to be enough to mention the cooperation. And how bad the Americans are.

Who is worse? The dog that bites and snarles or the owner who trained it to hate, fed it with the raw meat it so craves, gives it the long leash it needs to satisfy its hunger?

Al Qaeda was created by the CIA (with great help from the Pakistani ISI) out of the hardened fighters of the Mudjahadeen, who were originally organised by the CIA to fight the proxy war between the US and the USSR in Afghanistan. These fighters also fought in Bosnia under the banner of the KLA. The Taliban grew from radicalised Muslim students in Pakistan, again organised and nurtured by the ISI in cahoots with the CIA.

The Taliban murdered and oppressed the Afghan women for years and the US never condemned them. It wasn't until the UNOCAL Pipeline to the Caspian Basin started to look like it might fall through that the Taliban were touted in the US as the evil Bastards they always were. Interestingly it was at this time that the Taliban also put a stop to the opium poppy crop, thus starving the CIA and other branches of the US Military of a great deal of black project money that was funded by drug running. This is a whole other subject that I wont go into now. But suffice it to say that the war on drugs was never meant to be effective, disaffected strung out black youths is just another angle of control to the western governments. Not suprisingly, since we went into to Afghanistan to flush out the evil-doers, the opium crop is now working overtime and producing more drugs than ever before. So, we in the west, with all our military might can't put a stop to it, but a bunch of religious zealots living in the stone age can?

Quote:The content of the Talmud seems to upset you, but when shown even worse Koran and hadith texts, there’s no response.

No you are completely off the mark here. I see the content of all religious texts for what they are. Mechanisms of control. I don't believe a word of any of it, therefore it holds no control over me. As a good example, ask yourself why huge swathes of Africa are Catholic, or why it was that the first thing the white slavers gave the blacks when they got to the plantations of America was Christianity.

Control.

Now stop ranting like a xenophobic lunatic and start reading some real history. This world is full of evil, and it's all in the hands of the few at the top of the pyramid. They are evil, manipulative, controlling, power hungy, blood thirsty demons the like of which your fucking religious texts couldn't even imagine. Get smart and do it quick. There's a shit storm coming and it's stupid people like you that are just gonna stir it up and play into these peoples hands.

Read. Breath. Reflect. Change.
Dave.

Are you listening?
http://www.DaveWare.co.uk
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11-03-2007, 12:12 PM,
#77
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Quote:Hamza, and all the other easily influenced dupes are serving a dual role. One is to recriut more useful idiots, to stir up hatred in their own ranks and create more marter fodder for the mass blood letting that is the war on terror. The second role is to feed the fear and hatred that the West has been duped into believing.

But why don’t you fight people like Hamza? If this Islam thing is a set up by the Americans why don’t you fight Islam? Why you leave it alone? Why you keep supporting assets of the American government?

Quote:Who is worse? The dog that bites and snarles or the owner who trained it to hate, fed it with the raw meat it so craves, gives it the long leash it needs to satisfy its hunger?

Does it matter who is worse? If you can’t catch the owner, kill the dog. That’s at least something.

Quote:Al Qaeda was created by the CIA (with great help from the Pakistani ISI) out of the hardened fighters of the Mudjahadeen, who were originally organised by the CIA to fight the proxy war between the US and the USSR in Afghanistan. These fighters also fought in Bosnia under the banner of the KLA. The Taliban grew from radicalised Muslim students in Pakistan, again organised and nurtured by the ISI in cahoots with the CIA.

Throughout history there have been created many new violent Islamic organisations or groups like Salfist, Wahabist, Muslim brotherhood, and so on. Believers have a tendency to go back to the roots when their religion is on the collapse. This has happened many times since the start of Islam in the year 622. They split up in many sects, organisations or groups, and the basis of them all is hatred to everything non-Islam. Eventually these groups die and re-emerge, sometimes generations later. What I’m saying is that these violent groups have always been there. Even long before the foundation of America in 1776.

Quote:The Taliban murdered and oppressed the Afghan women for years and the US never condemned them.

Islam murders and oppresses women for 1400 years and have you ever condemned them? Have you ever written a peach about it here on CC? The brutalisation of woman didn’t start with the Taliban. It’s been there from day one. See their holy scriptures. But you say that somehow the US are to blame, they are responsible for the 1400 years of brutal dictatorship the muslimpeople have become used to. It seems to me that you are saying that Muslim people don’t bear any responsibility for their past, or for what now is going on, at all.

Quote:Not suprisingly, since we went into to Afghanistan to flush out the evil-doers, the opium crop is now working overtime and producing more drugs than ever before. So, we in the west, with all our military might can't put a stop to it, but a bunch of religious zealots living in the stone age can?

I always say you must do whatever it takes to win. I would go for a, if necessary, a total destruction of the opium areas. Use the best bombs available! I agree with ya the Americans don’t do whatever it takes to win. They are not solving the problem. They can do a whole lot better.

Quote:I see the content of all religious texts for what they are. Mechanisms of control.

Well I agree with you about that to. Since all religions are false they serve another purpose. But when I’m exposing one of them you seem to hold back… You excuse Islam when it’s attacked. Why?

Quote:Now stop ranting like a xenophobic lunatic and start reading some real history.

Real history tells me that the Islamic violence we are witnessing today has always been there. Since 622 Muslims have started living under brutal dictatorship. Long before the USA Israel CIA or Mossad ever came to picture.

There have been a few elections in the islamicworld. And guess what they all voted for… Democracy out! Of the Palestine 70% chose Hamas, a fundamental Muslim organisation. In Algeria, in the nineties, extremist Muslims were winning the elections. The government wouldn’t accept that result, result was a civil war and 150.000 Algerians died. Or look at Iraq. Democracy is handed over to them and the first thing they do is spit on the hand that gave it.

Quote:This world is full of evil, and it's all in the hands of the few at the top of the pyramid. They are evil, manipulative, controlling, power hungy, blood thirsty demons the like of which your fucking religious texts couldn't even imagine.

I would say the top of the pyramid lives in Mecca. At least they have 1400 years of experience with power. Much more then any western country ever has…

Quote:Get smart and do it quick. There's a shit storm coming and it's stupid people like you that are just gonna stir it up and play into these peoples hands.

I’m pro-America, but I do not want to be controlled by the CIA or whatever. The thing we must do to spoil their party is to close all Mosques and Islamic schools and throw all Muslims out of our countries. I think you will agree on that. We don’t need them anyway. They’re overpopulated in our prisons, in the social security system, unemployment, crime, woman abuse, and so on. So they are useless to us anyway. Also this comes to my mind, these Muslims have done a lot of damage to our society, that’s probably a part of the CIA plan, maybe we should enslave them and let them work until they have paid back the costs we made. That's only fair, isn't it?
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11-03-2007, 01:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-03-2007, 01:13 PM by Manticore.)
#78
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Dave, you talked about wife beating in Islam. You even found a way to blame the Americans. Now lets see what Muslim’s holy scriptures have to say about wife beating. Let’s see how prophet Muhammad, the example for all man, dealt with wifebeating. Let’s see what Islamic law is:

Quote:SUNAN ABU DAWUD CHAPTER 709 #2141 Iyas Dhubab reported the apostle of Allah as saying: "Do not beat Allah's handmaidens", but when Umar came to the apostle of Allah and said: "Women have become emboldened towards their husbands", he (the prophet), gave permission to beat them. Then many women came round the family of the apostle of Allah complaining against their husbands. So the apostle of Allah said, "Many women have gone round Muhammad's family complaining against their husbands. They are not the best among you".

#2142 Umar reported the prophet as saying: "A man will not be asked as to why he beat his wife".

I agree with the prophet! It’s no one's business why a man beats his wife. It’s a family affair!

Quote:SUNAN OF IBN-I-MAJAH #1985 Iyas b. ‘Abdullah, the son of Abu Dhubab reported that Allah’s Messenger said, "Do not beat the slave girls (women folk)." Then Umar visited the Holy Prophet and said, "Allah’s Messenger, women have become emboldened towards their husbands. So allow us to beat them. So, they were beaten (when permission was granted). upon this many groups of women went round the family of Muhammad. When it was morning, he, (the Holy Prophet), said, "Seventy women went round the family of Muhammad this night. Every woman was making a complaint against her spouse. You will not find them (1) the best among you.

Bukhari volume 8, #828 Narrated Aisha: Abu Bakr came to towards me and struck me violently with his fist and said, "You have detained the people because of your necklace." But I remained motionless as if I was dead lest I should awake Allah's Apostle although that hit was very painful.

Bukhari volume 7, #132 "Narrated Zam'a, "The prophet said, "None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave and then have sexual intercourse with her in the last part of the day.""

This last hadith shows the kindness of the holy prophet. He’s saying ‘None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave’. Well I think we all can agree on that. You don’t flog your wife like a slave. You can beat the shit out of her, break her bones, but you don’t flog her like a slave. I wonder if these teachings of the holy prophet are still followed in the Islamic world. Do you have an idea Dave?
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11-03-2007, 02:01 PM,
#79
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Infinite,you have wiped the floor clean with this prized prick, his East v West bullshit is laughable,mass murders have been commited on both sides.Every genocide he comes up some one else come can come up with six for the other side.The jewish revolution in Russia where millions of christians died,the spanish inquisition was no Boston tea party.
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11-03-2007, 06:21 PM,
#80
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Quote:Infinite,you have wiped the floor clean with this prized prick, his East v West bullshit is laughable,mass murders have been commited on both sides.Every genocide he comes up some one else come can come up with six for the other side.The jewish revolution in Russia where millions of christians died,the spanish inquisition was no Boston tea party.

The Americans get blamed for the wifebeating of the Taliban. At least that's what Dave did. I can't understand why, since wifebeating is a part of the Islamic religion. And it’s easy to proof, as I’ve shown you. Millions of Muslim woman have learned to live with the fist. Sometimes these beatings start while they’re a kid. But Nietzsche said, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So I suppose wifebeating is not that bad.

Maybe you have heard of Theo van Gogh. He was murdered for making this film: http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=aLThSI8nlKQ Spreading lies about Islam is what he did in this film, and he paid for it. He should’ve been aware that Islam has laws that protect woman. He never mentioned things like ‘None of you should flog his wife as he flogs a slave’ in his film. So off course leaving things like this out was very offensive and insulting to many believers. So Theo paid for it. Islam is the most tolerant religion of all, it’s open to all kind of criticism, but you shouldn’t spread lies.

Well I suppose you have started to like Islam a great deal by now. I leave ya with a comparison between the universal declaration of human rights and Islamic law. To me they are more or less the same. Couldn’t find much difference but maybe I overlooked something. Please let me know if I did… http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=k5o4TXqa91c
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11-03-2007, 07:58 PM,
#81
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Manticore,
wifebeating is a part of the Islamic religion.

Really now,do they have exclusive rights?so wifebeating does not exist in the west only in islamic countries,you really are a prized prick,to think that a country can produce Cryuff,Neeskins,Van Bansten,Marco Boogers, can also produce pricks like you.
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11-03-2007, 08:38 PM,
#82
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Quote:Manticore,
wifebeating is a part of the Islamic religion.

Really now,do they have exclusive rights?so wifebeating does not exist in the west only in islamic countries,you really are a prized prick,to think that a country can produce Cryuff,Neeskins,Van Bansten,Marco Boogers, can also produce pricks like you.

Well in the West wifebeating is forbidden. But even so, it still happens. In Islam wifebeating is prescripted so these guys don't have a stop at all. Guess what’s the outcome…

To me Hammer it’s clear that you are a Muslim. I’ve had many conversations with them and basically all of them practice this insulting type of language you are using. They think it’s a good way because they’ve got it from their prophet. That guy cursed and badmouthed everybody that was in his way. If he not killed them first.

I think Hammer that you are well aware Islam cannot be defended by words or arguments. A Muslim knows this. So you’re not even trying. Demonisation of the opponents of Islam is basically the only tool you have. And that’s what you do. So please stay away. Your postings are of no interest, not worth reading, and a waste of time.
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11-03-2007, 10:03 PM,
#83
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Born C of E,i don't do religion anymore which makes all your posts offensive.Some one said you are intelligent however i disagree,anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see 9/11 was an inside job.Your problem is that you believe this phoney war on terror which the state department peddle aided and abetted by the msm,watching too much Fox news has clouded your brain.Actually i enjoy reading your posts because they are so full of shit that it's comical.
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11-03-2007, 10:45 PM,
#84
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
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I don't think Manticore's mind could comprehend such a concept & understand why that would be the case. His beloved "Western" leaders are fighting the threat of radical Islam & that's as far as his mind can go with it, rendering him the equivalent to an animal in terms of intrinsic worth just as the elite say.

Basically, till so far, all the time we have talked about your ‘proofs’. Even though I don’t accept them, we discussed them. And I gave you the reasons why I don’t buy your conspiracy theory. But when I clearly show you Islamic terrorism is due to Islamic teaching you won’t touch the subject. You just walk over it like it’s not there. You blame everybody but Muslims for Islamic terrorism. Can you tell why you think Islamic terrorism hasn’t anything to do with Islam?

Sure Islamic terrorism has it's basis in Islam, I don't deny that at all. But that doesn't mean the the "War on Terror" is a legitimate ideological struggle from "the West" as you put it against extremism. Evidence shows that it's a classic hegelian dialect set up by the controlling elitists of the West to take advantage of Muslim extremism in order to wage immensely profitable occupational wars against whole countries & take the rights away from their own citizens. If all you want me to concede is that Islamic extremism & terrorism does exist then fine, I don't see where I denied that. But that doesn't change the fact that these extremists are useful idiots who unknowingly benefit the powers that be rather than threaten their hegemony. We've shown you that through articles documenting & admitting it that you still call conspiracy theory & deny. Also you can't tell me that besides going as far as to fund extremist groups & covertly harbor Islamic terrorists themselves, which it's proven that they have done, that the imperialist & genocidal policies of "the West" haven't contributed to Islamic extremism & terrorism. Even the CIA admits that it has.
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11-03-2007, 10:47 PM,
#85
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
By the way Manticore only about less than 1 percent of all the members here are Muslim that I know so you can stop calling us all Muslims now.
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11-04-2007, 11:33 AM,
#86
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Manticore,

you sir are a fraud in my post yesterday 06:58 PM,i mentioned four dutch football players one was a red herring you failed to spot it.Any self-effacing Dutchman would have known that Boogers was a complete donkey compared to the other three geniuses.
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11-04-2007, 11:11 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-04-2007, 11:11 PM by Dave52.)
#87
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
Quote:Americans get blamed for the wifebeating of the Taliban. At least that's what Dave did.

Manticore, could you please stop misquoting me, it's really annoying. If you'd go back and read my post, I actually said...

Quote:The Taliban murdered and oppressed the Afghan women for years and the US never condemned them.

I'm gonna give up on this now, you have a great life ok. Enjoy it.
Dave.

Are you listening?
http://www.DaveWare.co.uk
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11-05-2007, 11:42 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-05-2007, 11:58 PM by Manticore.)
#88
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Quote:Sure Islamic terrorism has it's basis in Islam, I don't deny that at all.

There are people that say Islamic-terrorism is a response to Western policies. That might be true: We do everything better! It’s the 21th against the 7th century.

Quote:But that doesn't mean the the "War on Terror" is a legitimate ideological struggle from "the West" as you put it against extremism.

Terror is a tactic… I think it’s a very legitimate ideological struggle for the West! Maybe it’s good to identify what Islam really is.

Islam makes tremendous claims about itself.

Everything about Islam is perfect, it's gods-gift to mankind. It has rules laws orders for all situations of life. You'll find them in the Koran, a perfect book. Since it’s from god it's mistakeless. That’s why it’s above any criticism. Critics insult god and will be put to death.

Prophet Mohammed, the one contacted by the creator of the universe, and given the Koran, was a perfect humanbeing. Sinless. An example for all people of all time!

Now, to be successful, all to do, just follow the Koran and the prophet. That’s Islam!

The problem now is off course is that nearly everybody is more successful then the followers of the Koran and Muhammad. Muslims notice this to. They're not blind. The cause of their backwardness can only be looked for everywhere but perfect-Islam.

Sooner or later a doctrine like this has to come in conflict with the rest of the world that progresses. Muslims are stuck in the 7th century. When things go wrong believers tent to become more religious. Back to the fundaments. That’s the problem we are dealing with.

To me Islamicterrorism is a logical thing. It had to happen sooner or later. And it was always there anyway. Islam is a warriors religion. The biggest holocaust in humanity is the slaughter of about a 100 million Hindus in the quest to concquer India. Fore sure it didn’t start at 911.

Quote:Evidence shows that it's a classic hegelian dialect set up by the controlling elitists of the West to take advantage of Muslim extremism in order to wage immensely profitable occupational wars against whole countries & take the rights away from their own citizens.

What immensely profitable has paid off so far? Till now the costs are thousands of billons dollars. And the outcome is not even sure…

Quote:If all you want me to concede is that Islamic extremism & terrorism does exist then fine, I don't see where I denied that.

By leaving the subject so long untouched you made it look like it’s irrelevant…
Islamic terrorism is due to Islam and nothing else.

Quote:Also you can't tell me that besides going as far as to fund extremist groups & covertly harbor Islamic terrorists themselves, which it's proven that they have done, that the imperialist & genocidal policies of "the West" haven't contributed to Islamic extremism & terrorism. Even the CIA admits that it has.

Islamic countries like the ‘Palestine’, Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt and many more get huge amounts of (development) money from the West. If we stop paying the Palestine their ‘state’ would collapse right away. Problem over! To me funding them, is funding terrorists... Is this also a Hegelian dialect set up?
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11-06-2007, 12:30 AM,
#89
Some questions about the 9-11 conspiracy
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Quote:Americans get blamed for the wifebeating of the Taliban. At least that's what Dave did.

Manticore, could you please stop misquoting me, it's really annoying. If you'd go back and read my post, I actually said...

Quote:The Taliban murdered and oppressed the Afghan women for years and the US never condemned them.

I'm gonna give up on this now, you have a great life ok. Enjoy it.

What I meant Dave was, that when we’re talked about the terrible humanrights of woman in Afghanistan you just brought the US in. Like they are to be blamed aswell. A little bit guilty…That why I said you ‘blamed'. Your remark was suggestive.
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11-27-2007, 04:59 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2012, 09:50 PM by proteinspill.)
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