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08-27-2009, 12:39 PM,
Here are a few picture's i took when i was visitng my mum on sunday was a lovely blue sky day until these came around.. at lest 20 - to 30 of them.. got my mum thinking about it aswell lol

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08-27-2009, 01:28 PM,
Definitely chemtrails, I'd say good post but it would seem weird.
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09-03-2009, 05:06 PM,
In the 4th pic you can see them Xing them,they do the same thing where I live.After about 20,30 minutes the wind smears them togather so it looks like just a normal cloud to anyone that didn't see it being made from a jet.
09-26-2009, 04:05 PM,
Today's contrails are often tomorrow's cirrus clouds. They're both ICE and made of water purer than your tap water.

Are today's "chemtrailers" going to be tomorrow's stupid people?
09-26-2009, 04:24 PM,
With all the chemicals maybe, but at least we'll know why.:D
09-27-2009, 01:04 AM,
Quote:With all the chemicals maybe, but at least we'll know why.:D
Well, tomorrow's now today, and I have my answer.

What chemicals are these, and why aren't they found in the filter bags of the 24/7 air samplers found in every city in the US and the thousands of weather stations dotted all over the country?

Please please don't quote me (once again, ad nauseam!) the KSLA rainwater samples taken from a barium-mining area.

09-27-2009, 01:35 AM,
Quote:Definitely chemtrails

Quote:I'd say good post but it would seem weird.
Too late for that.

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This picture of at least thirty CONTRAILS was taken sometime before 1967. That’s forty-two years ago.

The photo is plate 113 of the book Cloud Studies in Colour, by Richard Scorer and Harry Wexler, published in 1967 by Pergamon Press. Photo by Richard Scorer, probably taken in England.

The accompanying text reads: "Condensation trails are left by aircraft when the air is sufficiently cold for the mixture of air and exhaust to be saturated. This does not usually happen except when the temperature is close to or below -40C, in which case the cloud freezes almost instantaneously and does not readily evaporate. The cloud is then spread out by any wind shear which may be present."

Are these "chemtrails" too?
09-27-2009, 01:47 AM,
That is pretty. Why if the pic was taken in 1967 would that be that today it's easy to catch streaked skies, but then it was rare? Even more, those are high altitude, what about low altitude from that era?
09-27-2009, 04:15 AM,
Quote:That is pretty. Why if the pic was taken in 1967 would that be that today it's easy to catch streaked skies, but then it was rare? Even more, those are high altitude, what about low altitude from that era?
Persistent trails are always generated at a HIGH ALTITUDE and IN THE STRATOSPHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND EIGHT MILES UP - and at a temperature of about MINUS FORTY DEGREES or colder.

Such a trail laid by a 747 may be laid at a rate of about THIRTY POUNDS OF ICE PER YARD. A trans-USA flight might lay a trail comprising 80,000 TONS OF ICE.

If it were REALLY a "barium" trail, then that would be 27,000 tons of the stuff to appear to be the same as that amount of ice.

Ever seen a 27,000-ton airplane? I thought not.

Such ice trails may swell to ONE MILE THICK by TEN MILES WIDE in an hour, by which time they have only fallen a thousand feet.

This increase in size makes the trail look LOWER to the educationally-challenged. But it ISN'T.

Heck you are making me feel like I'm attempting to explain to an aborigine that the Sun DOESN'T go round the Earth.

These are your "chemtrails" over the Ardennes, Christmas 1944...

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09-27-2009, 04:39 AM,
Cool pic and informative response, yet it doesn't address the question.

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There is one that I remember a while back, but ashamedly I'm too lazy to look for it and too old to remember where. It reminded me of a large one I personally saw in Dandridge last year. Looked like a big tunnel and extremely low.
09-27-2009, 10:24 AM, (This post was last modified: 09-27-2009, 10:33 AM by JazzRoc.)
The first is a converted Boeing B17G Flying Fortress. The picture doesn't show the fire burning in the forest below. Maybe it was a demonstration of its fire-fighting abilities and there was no fire beneath. Or maybe there was - and it's just not in the picture.

The second is a persistent contrail.

If you're wrong about CTs (and I'm sure you are), you must realize that you have been wasting your time. It would have been better spent discovering what a crook your local politician is, or whatever.

Here's a recent posting by Boenoid to Contrailscience:

For what it is worth, I am a Boeing engineer with 20 years of experience in the aerospace industry.

* There are no special tanks anywhere on our airplanes to hold chemicals to be sprayed out.

* There are no spray nozzles on the airplanes either, unless you count the emergency fuel dump nozzles on the widebody jets.

* This can be readily ascertained by simply looking through an airplane before the interior wall panels are installed. Here is a list of all the tanks which are on a jetliner:

** Fuel, potable water, waste water, engine fire suppressant (Halon + other stuff), cargo fire suppressant (just Halon), hydraulic reservoirs. On the new airplanes you will also see tank-like devices which generate nitrogen to inert the fuel tanks.

* Further, there is no room for such stuff to get installed. You would have to carry TONS of liquid to make spray trails independent of the exhaust condensation, and the only liquid we carry tons of is Jet-A fuel.

* In Everett Washington, the Seattle flight museum has a restoration center where you can go see dismantled airplanes being readied for display in the museum. The work is done almost entirely by volunteers. I assume other flight museums have similar workshops. If you can find one where you live, go to the restoration center and see the planes up close. There's no where to hide a sprayer system where it wouldn't be seen by maintenance crews.

* The Boeing final assembly plant is open for tours by the public, and VIPs from all over the world can get close-up tours. The airplanes are built in a staggered sequence, so that two airplanes side-by-side are usually being made for two different airlines.

* The majority of Boeing's production is sold overseas. In fact, the company is the nation's largest exporter.

* Thus, if a domestic airplane was modified for "chemtrail production" in the factory, it would be as easy as pie for a foreign VIP to walk over and say, "What are these fancy tanks and sprayers on the American plane which aren't on my airplane?"

* If any airplane WAS modified for chemtrail to add chemtrail sprayers, the thousands of Boeing employees would have to know. I don't work in Fuels, and I can identify every tank and tube in the wing area.

* If thousands of Boeing employees knew, then so would thousands of supplier employees who go through our factories, thousands of airlines employees who go through our factories, and all the FAA and NTSB and DOT people as well. Also, our airplanes and factories are inspected by the Aviation Authorities of foreign countries (like EASA from Europe) and they would also need to be in on the conspiracy.

* There would simply be too many people involved to prevent this from leaking out. If the "chemtrail sprayers" were being added in the factory, the secret would be out.

* So what if the "chemtrail sprayers" were being added by an aftermarket shop?

* You're back to the same problem. It takes hundreds of people to design, build, and install a major modification on a jetliner, and the mod shops are just as open as Boeing is. You wouldn't be able to keep the secret.

* Further, most airlines have their planes maintained by outside suppliers, who would have to be in on the conspiracy. Those who do their own maintenance do the work in open bays that again would make it easy to view the modification.

* And you have the same problem that you need to get thousands of maintenance people, suppliers, and certification authorities in on the conspiracy. It would have leaked by now. All it takes is one guy with a cell phone camera, and the world would know.

* So what if they somehow managed to do all this stuff anyway? Now you have to realize that somebody, somewhere, has to be pumping TONS of chemtrail chemicals into these mysterious hidden tanks on the airplanes. You would need a fill valve, and a distribution system, and special trucks carrying the chemicals disguised as fuel trucks. That would take thousands more people to be in on the conspiracy.

* One giveaway would be two fuel trucks pulling up to the same jetliner, one with the fuel and one with the chemicals. Remember, we're talking about tons of liquid here.

* It just doesn't work, you would need independent chemical fill ports, and somebody, somewhere, would notice.

* And while we're talking about it, remember that every jetliner pilot has to check the weight of the plane and calculate a talk off runway length and other factors. The charts are the same for every jetliner of a given type, but if there really were chemtrail sprayers, then the charts for those airplanes would have to be different to account for the tons of chemicals that might be on the airplane.

* So, I really don't think there is any way to hide the sprayers on jetliners. Too many people would have to know, and it would be too easy to detect by passerby.

* So, what if the chemtrail chemicals are in the jet fuel? This wouldn't require ANY visible modifications to the airplanes, and far fewer people would have to know about the conspiracy.

* This would be harder to refute, BUT, you would have to discard the "on and off" contrails as being caused by pilots turning sprayers on and off. All the fuel on the plane came from the same fuel trucks and the same fuel tanks, so the supposed chemtrail would have to be continuous from takeoff until landing. I think that would have been noticed by now.

* So to my mind, that pretty much eliminates the possibility of using jetliners to create chemtrails.

* Which means you have to be using military jets, and thousands of them, flying unnoticed back and forth on normal commercial routes. So now you have to have all the air traffic controllers in on the conspiracy as well.

* And the planes will again need special tanks for the chemicals, and special fill ports, and special sprayers, and special tanker trucks filling the chemical tanks on the planes, special non-military suppliers delivering the stuff, and you're right back to the same issue of needing to keep thousands of people from talking.

Bottom line:
You would need a special delivery system on the airplanes.
You would need a special fill system.
You would need independent tanker trucks.
You would need a separate supply chain.
You would need thousands and thousands of people to hold their tongues, and never have even ONE person leave any incriminating evidence in a safe deposit box to be discovered after their deaths.

It ain't happening.
09-27-2009, 10:59 AM,
After I posted that first pic, on a second look it does look like something with a fire involved. Of course they could be practicing:geek:on Bambi. I'll look and see if I can find the pic that is extremely suspicious.
09-28-2009, 12:15 PM,
I've just refuted this post, have I?:unsure:
09-28-2009, 12:22 PM,
No, I've just been side tracked a bit. Sorry. Some damn good info on it though.
09-29-2009, 07:23 PM,
A few more pictures ive taken.. Today there was so many it wasnt even funny.

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