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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
11-13-2007, 11:27 PM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
The Lords Prayer
Before you read this, it is good to have some preamble to why I'm posting this. The following transcript has been presented to me after it was removed by someone on Wikipedia. It was posted to Wiki web site and very quickly it got removed with no explanation as to why. Considering the various guise the Lord's Prayer has taken over the centuries, it has me wondering what exactly is there to be censored? My conclusion is the references to the manifestation and that everything is all linked together through in the form of higher energies.
However, when questioning this translation, and apparently Aramaic was Jesus's language, how much can we accept as being the literal translation in the Bible, or any other book, unless those original source manuscripts are open to unbiased and proper scholastic study and translation, without censorship.
Food for thought and I think that this version of the Lord's Prayer obviously has deep more profound meanings that the editors of Wiki want us to be aware of.



The Prayer To Our Father (in the original Aramaic)

<blockquote>Abwûn
"Oh Thou, from whom the breath of life comes,

d'bwaschmâja
who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration.

Nethkâdasch schmach
May Your light be experienced in my utmost holiest.

Têtê malkuthach.
Your Heavenly Domain approaches.

Nehwê tzevjânach aikâna d'bwaschmâja af b'arha.
Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates)
just as on earth (that is material and dense).

Hawvlân lachma d'sûnkanân jaomâna.
Give us wisdom (understanding, assistance) for our daily need,

Waschboklân chaubên wachtahên aikâna daf chnân schwoken l'chaijabên.
detach the fetters of faults that bind us, (karma) like we let go the guilt of others.

Wela tachlân l'nesjuna
Let us not be lost in superficial things (materialism, common temptations),

ela patzân min bischa.
but let us be freed from that what keeps us off from our true purpose.

Metol dilachie malkutha wahaila wateschbuchta l'ahlâm almîn.
From You comes the all-working will, the lively strength to act,
the song that beautifies all and renews itself from age to age.

Amên.
Sealed in trust, faith and truth.
(I confirm with my entire being)</blockquote>



and what it is now:

<blockquote>Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth as in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins
as we forgive those who sin against us.
Save us from the time of trial
and deliver us from evil.

[For the kingdom, the power, and the glory are yours
now and for ever. Amen.] </blockquote>
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11-14-2007, 03:56 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Good find.
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11-14-2007, 04:07 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Simple, beauty that resonates with sacred power.

Thanks go2nxtlvl, very valuable find indeed.
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11-14-2007, 04:16 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
it is beutyfull, but i altso belive it is fancyfull. I dont know aramaic but i have seen a similar thing happen to the Quran. its for the good though:)
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11-14-2007, 04:30 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
"from age to age."

Hmmm... funny choice of words don't you think?
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11-14-2007, 04:43 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Its very Vedantic.
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11-14-2007, 05:12 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Quote:"from age to age."

Hmmm... funny choice of words don't you think?

not really. if im not mistaken, this is a translation by a Sufi mystic ( Saadi Neil Douglas-Klotz). Sufi's are a branch of Islam who are very poetic and esoteric. I personally like them, i think they are a great thing to happen to Islam. You could deem them islamic free thinkers to some degree.

An example of their poetry might shed light on the choice of words. And im not saying other cults doesnt use the expression of ages differently mind you.

So long as we do not die to ourselves,
and so long as we identify with someone or something,
we shall never be free.
The spiritual way is not for those wrapped up in exterior life.

Farid ud Din Attar (1119 - 1230)

---

The whole world is a marketplace for Love,
For naught that is, from Love remains remote.
The Eternal Wisdom made all things in Love.
Quote:On Love they all depend, to Love all turn.
The earth, the heavens, the sun, the moon, the stars
The center of their orbit find in Love.
By Love are all bewildered, stupefied,
Intoxicated by the Wine of Love.

From each, Love demands a mystic silence.
What do all seek so earnestly? "Tis Love.
Love is the subject of their inmost thoughts,
In Love no longer "Thou" and "I" exist,
For self has passed away in the Beloved.
Now will I draw aside the veil from Love,
And in the temple of mine inmost soul
Behold the Friend, Incomparable Love.
He who would know the secret of both worlds
Will find that the secret of them both is Love.

---

We are the guardians of His Beauty

We are the protectors
Of the Sun.

There is only one reason
We have followed God into this world:

To encourage laughter, freedom, dance
And love.

Let a noble cry inside of you speak to me
Saying,

"Hafiz,
Don't just sit there on the moon tonight
Doing nothing -

Help unfurl my heart into the Friend's Mind,
Help, Old Man, to heal my wounded wings!"

We are the companions of His Beauty
We are the guardians
Of Truth.

Every man, plant and creature in Existence,
Every woman, child, vein and note
Is a servant of our Beloved -

A harbinger of joy,
The harbinger of
Light.


Hafiz (1230-91)

---

Come,
let's scatter roses and pour wine in the glass;
we'll shatter heaven's roof and lay a new foundation.
If sorrow raises armies to shed the blood of lovers,
I'll join with the wine bearer so we can overthrow them.
With a sweet string at hand, play a sweet song, my friend,
so we can clap and sing a song and lose our heads in dancing.

Hafiz

--- and now it gets interresting

Who is man?
The reflection of the Eternal Light.

What is the world?
A wave on the Everlasting Sea.

How could the reflection be cut off from the Light?

How could the wave be separate from the Sea?

Know that this reflection and this wave are that very Light and Sea.

Jami, Diwan

--

The Jesus of your spirit is inside you now.
Ask that one for help, but don't ask for body-things...

Don't ask Moses for provisions
that you can get from Pharaoh.

Don't worry so much about livelihood.
Your livelihood will turn out as it should.
Be constantly occupied instead
with listening to God.

Rumi,


well enough, but im sure you can see how influenced the translation seems to be by the early persian poets and thinkers. Many of these concepts would be deemed instantly new age if you didnt know where they came from. But the thing is, stuff like this circulated in arabia long loooong before these ones came into being. The semites of this area was known throughout the world for their poetry, a tradition obvious in the Quran aswell.

But before any formal religion of the area these where the kinds of thoughts these -were told primitive- desert dwellers had. The lords prayer came pretty much from the same people, atleast a similar mindset and a related language.

It is suspected though that the above translations, including several quran translation are in fact a little fancyfull. I dont care, they are all great poetry as are the lords prayer.
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11-14-2007, 05:41 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Quote:"from age to age."

Hmmm... funny choice of words don't you think?
http://bible.cc/revelation/12-14.htm http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=46 http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=33 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=42...h&plindex=0
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11-14-2007, 11:00 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Its beautiful.
I am not suprised the idea of the 'Father' and bread has been added since it makes people dependent on an imperfect religous leader and the Church.
God is the supreme energy and vibration. Makes sense to me. I will send this to a priest i Know! Thanks
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11-14-2007, 02:49 PM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Quote:"from age to age."

Hmmm... funny choice of words don't you think?
Why ? There is biblical evidence of different earth ages, of cycles of destruction, chaos and rebirth.


Suddenly I can no longer right click, what's up with that ???:dazed:



@ itmakesmewonder
(adding father and bread = dependence on leaders and church.)

How so ???
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- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

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But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
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11-14-2007, 03:11 PM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
It'll be interesting to see what the priest has to say. He could even shed some light as to who does the changes through history.

About 'from Age to Age', I don't really think that these are a strange choice of words as if we look into all levels in life averything goes through ages or one defined stage in time to another; we as humans pass from our middle ages to our golden ages!

This is a great bit I think:

"Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates) just as on earth (that is material and dense)."

Does it not say that we can and do have whatever we desire and it is open to our subjective will through the 'Your' creator, further adding that we are all common in energy vibration just at different frequencies (lower frequencies are slower or dense vibrations) (as above so below).

The opening line "who fills all realms of sound, light and vibration" also purports to this notion and also eludes to a statement that there is nothing physical about anything in all the realms of the universe.

In my opinion, much better than relying on my father to give me my daily bread (even if that is the body of Christos Jesus, through which we can meet the supreme Lord God.)
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11-15-2007, 03:30 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-15-2007, 03:30 PM by nataraja.)
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
i will send this to a group of christians that work in a rehab in south africa that i visited, they live their faith daily.

i will post there response here.
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11-16-2007, 12:59 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
Quote:"Let Your will come true - in the universe (all that vibrates) just as on earth (that is material and dense)."

Does it not say that we can and do have whatever we desire and it is open to our subjective will through the 'Your' creator, further adding that we are all common in energy vibration just at different frequencies (lower frequencies are slower or dense vibrations) (as above so below).
"That which is Below corresponds to that which is Above, and that which is Above, corresponds to that which is Below, to accomplish the miracles of the One Thing."

This is a great thread go2nxtlvl, thanks
reality is a manufactured illusion

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11-16-2007, 11:17 AM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
the one guy replied:

Hi ***** you need to be careful with this kind of thing hey, and as far as
I am aware the original text is in Hebrew not Aramaic and there is a much
deeper teaching to "The Lords Prayer" than just a few word on a piece of
paper
If you have a closer look at that Bible we gave you, you will see there is
much more to "The Lords Prayer" which by the way isint called The Lords
Prayer anywhere in any Bible, original text or modern translation.
Anyway your the genius Dude, do some research and check it out for
yourself and then let me know what conclusions you arrive at

the other one replied:

get saved fool


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and think this says alot but either way i dont trust anything from the bible at all. soo.. but still interesting
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11-16-2007, 05:37 PM,
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The Lord's Prayer in the Original Aramaic
WOW What a find!!!! Sounds more sacred for sure!!!

"Têtê malkuthach."
"Your Heavenly Domain approaches. "

How many people think this MAY be NiBiRu ? (planet X)
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