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What do you guys think of this!
11-17-2007, 06:44 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-17-2007, 06:55 PM by DJOldskool.)
#1
What do you guys think of this!
I found this interesting, although it does not completely rule out the findings in the documentary it does throw doubt on some of them.

Complaint to Ofcom: Seven major misrepresentations of the scientific evidence in 'The Great Global Warming Swindle'

docu here
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11-17-2007, 07:10 PM,
#2
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When this aired on Australian TV, it was followed up immediately by an expose of this bullshit mockumentary and an interview with the overgrown toilet germ who made it. It is TOTAL bulshit! No doubt about it and if you saw the interview you would most likely want to kill him. Personally I think he should be sentenced to a speedy execution for being a traitor to humanity.

PS:If you knew how blatantly he lied, you would not find me too extreme.
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11-20-2007, 01:24 PM,
#3
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semantics of climate change "puke"

bottom line is we have had a negative impact on the planet, thats clear

the problem is not climate change that is the affect

if you taking some medicine and it makes you vomit you dont put a global tax on vomting to fix the problem, you stop taking the medicine.

its that simple
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11-21-2007, 04:53 PM,
#4
What do you guys think of this!
Well, let the filmmakers reply to the debunkers and see what happens then.
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11-21-2007, 05:16 PM,
#5
What do you guys think of this!
"Well, let the filmmakers reply to the debunkers and see what happens then."

Weren't you listening, he already did... hes a conman!
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11-21-2007, 05:51 PM,
#6
What do you guys think of this!
lol at your avatar!! nietz... haha
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11-22-2007, 12:02 AM,
#7
What do you guys think of this!
Quote:Weren't you listening, he already did... hes a conman!

What i meant was, I'd like to see the filmmaker's response.
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11-22-2007, 02:16 AM,
#8
What do you guys think of this!
Quote:What i meant was, I'd like to see the filmmaker's response.

not Martin Durkin but here's Carl Wunsch:

http://ocean.mit.edu/~cwunsch/papersonline...to_channel4.htm

and Habibullo Abdussamatov on mars:

http://www.urban-renaissance.org/urbanren/...ContentID=16967 (text and some other relevant article synopsis' at bottom of page)

(!)national geographic: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html

mentions activity in space(unbalanced):

http://english.people.com.cn/200703/15/eng...315_357750.html


Benny Pieser:

http://www.staff.livjm.ac.uk/spsbpeis/
( incidental: http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,...rticle_continue )

Nik
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11-22-2007, 09:28 AM,
#9
What do you guys think of this!
The idea that climate change has not been influenced by humanity is refusing to accept their responsibility for
reaping what they sow. Junk science is growing by the second and is a nice little distraction to those who can
only see as far as their rights being taken away from them. The culture of blaming something else other than
ourselves is in full flow and rather than trying to provide solutions, let's distract ourselves into thinking tptb have
been planning something like this - it's sooo easy!!!
reality is a manufactured illusion

Self delusion is all well and good until it catches up with you . . .
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11-22-2007, 11:55 AM,
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What do you guys think of this!
Quote:The idea that climate change has not been influenced by humanity is refusing to accept their responsibility for
reaping what they sow. Junk science is growing by the second and is a nice little distraction to those who can
only see as far as their rights being taken away from them. The culture of blaming something else other than
ourselves is in full flow and rather than trying to provide solutions, let's distract ourselves into thinking tptb have
been planning something like this - it's sooo easy!!!


Be that the case as it may..it is one thing to allude to the sphere of human influence as being of little consequence to climatic events and it another again to focus soley on one issue i.e. co2 emisssions.

Such a focus in mainstream academia goes hand in hand with rubbishing evidences that the entire solar system is undergoing some manner of temperature change, such theories are supposedly debunked by designating singular events happening on different planets as apparently all local to those planets and completely unconnected as a greater model of happenings in our solar system.

My contention is that irrespective of the validity of claims of human influence apon climate change, the single issue focus on co2 within the media actively suppresses any knowledge or debate that something extraordinary may be happening on a grander cosmic scale. i.e if all the planets in this solar system are heating up then humanity is presented with a situation that is completely "out of it's hands". Suppression of this data, if it is indeed real, may be viewed as neccess. by mainstream scientific concensus in combatting the development of a lasse faire attitude toward our own impact on earth's climate but also it can be argued that it is so to keep a lid on things. What effect would it really have on the status quo if it entered the global public consciousness that the entire solar system was undergoing some manner of inexplicable change unprecedented in the accepted history of cosmological events and that not everything currently happening, in terms of climate change,was as a consequence of co2 emission.

2cents:eyebrow:
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11-22-2007, 06:50 PM,
#11
What do you guys think of this!
Quote:
Quote:The idea that climate change has not been influenced by humanity is refusing to accept their responsibility for
reaping what they sow. Junk science is growing by the second and is a nice little distraction to those who can
only see as far as their rights being taken away from them. The culture of blaming something else other than
ourselves is in full flow and rather than trying to provide solutions, let's distract ourselves into thinking tptb have
been planning something like this - it's sooo easy!!!


Be that the case as it may..it is one thing to allude to the sphere of human influence as being of little consequence to climatic events and it another again to focus soley on one issue i.e. co2 emisssions.

Such a focus in mainstream academia goes hand in hand with rubbishing evidences that the entire solar system is undergoing some manner of temperature change, such theories are supposedly debunked by designating singular events happening on different planets as apparently all local to those planets and completely unconnected as a greater model of happenings in our solar system.

My contention is that irrespective of the validity of claims of human influence apon climate change, the single issue focus on co2 within the media actively suppresses any knowledge or debate that something extraordinary may be happening on a grander cosmic scale. i.e if all the planets in this solar system are heating up then humanity is presented with a situation that is completely "out of it's hands". Suppression of this data, if it is indeed real, may be viewed as neccess. by mainstream scientific concensus in combatting the development of a lasse faire attitude toward our own impact on earth's climate but also it can be argued that it is so to keep a lid on things. What effect would it really have on the status quo if it entered the global public consciousness that the entire solar system was undergoing some manner of inexplicable change unprecedented in the accepted history of cosmological events and that not everything currently happening, in terms of climate change,was as a consequence of co2 emission.

2cents:eyebrow:

The media, in their infinite experience of knowing how to use minimum facts to the greatest effect, have sensationalised the co2 emissions. I can see the headlines - "farting causes climate change..", I think an article like this actually got printed in sweden... I understand the reaction to articles and measures taken by the government to erode our civil liberties, but not to objective scientific research. Myopic studies into co2 emissions only fuel the distraction, but of course play their part. The propaganda on carbon emissions only serves to manipulate the middle classes into thinking they're doing their bit for the planet, when in reality it's a load of bollocks. Soz, I'm venting...

My thoughts on the theory of climate change within the solar system.. If data was meticulously collected, ie temp of atmosphere, temp of land - say 200 places on each planet and temperature recordings happened every hour, everyday, every year then one could contruct a fairly good argument against the current view of earth's climate change. Also, if research was conducted on plate tectonics and cycle of procession on every planet (evidence of plant material that once grew on antartic - possible that antartic was once in the tropicals), this could possibly explain a shift of ice cap temperatures...

My 2bobs worth :wink:
reality is a manufactured illusion

Self delusion is all well and good until it catches up with you . . .
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11-23-2007, 01:43 AM, (This post was last modified: 11-23-2007, 01:45 AM by subgenius.)
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Sad to say i comes as no real surprise that this idea of the Causes of global warming are being manipulated and falsified ( as I see it ) to tax the bloody air you are breathing. Carbon-Footprint/tax... what a joke. ( sure the anti-pollution is great but....)Most people probably are locked down to the "facts" as presented in the common media, and have little interest or time to see if it is so. Every damned day I hear the dolts spewing implanted ideas of this nature to each other ... I am glad to see that many people are noticing the serious criticism of the GORE ideas. I am going to make some DVDs that I am going to leave inside the local issues/entertainment paper with a couple of these vids on it. If they can pull the wool over their eyes with wars, banking, etc I am sure that this is no huge obstacle to get people into line and tax the shit out of them anyhow. That is why Gore had the BOOTCAMP for industry leaders to get those goons to feel all warm inside and adjust their corporate strategies to this sort of thing,,,, industry first people second. Just blowing off some steam here . Time to do some encoding. 100 DVD's only cost me 20 bucks so it's no huge loss ... next dirty self-righteous dull-eyed modern-hippy I come across that says this is going to get an earful. Thanks for taking the time to read this. See what you can do to fire off a few vids to folks to at least raise the issue on both sides. thanks subg

p.s. how are they going to tell the volcanoes that they need to stop blowing their shit all into the atmosphere because they have too massive of CARBON FOOTPRINT....How dare they show the humans up....
&Spirituality is not a child play. My words will tear apart anyone who listens to them....&
&The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live.&

- Nisargadatta Maharaj
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11-23-2007, 05:22 PM, (This post was last modified: 11-23-2007, 05:23 PM by nataraja.)
#13
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arrogance will be mans down fall. looking back at history mankind was convinced the earth was flat. eventually everyone changed their mind on that one. now we all think we can understand the climate what causes this and that. but in reality we have no idea.

we have theories like global dimming, co2 emissions causing temp rises, solar (sun) changes causes affect and so on. theres alot. but thats all they are theories, and one might say that in comparison to some theories like the theory of gravity, they are relativly weak.

what we do know is that our lifestyles are creating waste and pollution, this is a given and can clearly be seen without much need for supporting evidence or special pie graphs or animations of polar bears drowning...

so this leaves us with a problem, many possible causes, and no one looking at a real practical solution.
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