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Vegans cause Global Warming
01-07-2008, 04:29 PM,
#31
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:It really should not need to be stated like this; it seems too simple to even write down at all. But these people should realize that some 20-times more plants (vegetation) are utilized / consumed in the production of meat, eggs and dairy, than is required, for the equivalent calorific value, for a purely plant based meal!

That sounds like blatant propaganda to me.
If a farmer had to actually go out and plant a field of potatoes, a field of blueberrys, an orchard of apples to feed his herd of cows, yeah that would have the inefficiency you mention, but cows aren't eating the stuff you'd eat. I live in cattle country and the cows here aren't eating valuable crops, they graze on wild grasses.
No harm done to you...
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01-07-2008, 04:31 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-07-2008, 04:34 PM by LeveL.)
#32
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:You guys hash it out while I sit here enjoying my steak and eggs breaky. Yum yum.

Damn you're making me hungry.

I can't say vegans/vegetarians are "wrong" to not eat meat, I just think they are trying to be different, trying to be trendy and so on.

I challenge any vegan or vegetarian to explain how carnivorous animals eat nothing but red meat and yet do not get cancer from it, at least, it would be a well known fact that all lions/tigers or whatever always die of cancer from eating red meat. The biologists and vets who study animals would all say "Yeah lions always die of cancer because of their diet of red meat " but we all know this isn't true and they don't say this, they don't say it because - it ain't true. So then why is that? If eating red meat causes cancer, why don't any animals in the wild that eat red meat die of cancer? I know why - because its stress that causes cancer, what has a carnivourous animal got to be stressed about? Whether it can afford to pay its mortgage this month? Nope. Whether or not its wife is cheating on it? Nope. Animals don't even know what stress is, its exclusive to humans, we created it for ourselves unfortunately. OK so some animal might live in a pack and be the weakest animal, maybe it IS stressed out at times, maybe it spends every waking hour worrying, its possible, its also possible that animal might get cancer through the stress its going through its whole life but red meat causing cancer... no way. Who brought this opinion about anyway probably some company that sells vegetarian microwave meals.

Humans have eaten red meat for thousands of years, period.

Eating red meat or any meat is about the most NATURAL THING anyone could do FFS.

I class it alongside breathing air or drinking water, they will say those things are "bad for you" next. <_<
&Everybody thinks everybody else thinks on their level& - LeveL
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01-07-2008, 04:43 PM,
#33
Vegans cause Global Warming
It's just my humble opinion, but I have a feeling you could split veganism down a few different socio-political lines.

I think liberals, women, gays, new-agers, greenies etc are more likely to aviod meat.
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01-07-2008, 07:47 PM,
#34
Vegans cause Global Warming
An animal reared for food quite often has a reasonably enjoyable (if rather short) life.

If Ctrl and I didn't eat meat, they'd wouldn't have been born at all. Thus, animals with brains support meat-eating!

Can't find a decent reference right now but over the longer term the UN intends to ban the human consumption of meat. Bah.

(I wonder why it doesn't take action to prevent the leeching of xeno-oestrogens from plastic food packaging like those damned silly water bottles everyone seems to suck on these days? Could the two be related in some way?)
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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01-08-2008, 03:03 PM,
#35
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:Who can prove conspiracy ?

I never said vegetarians or vegans help NWO.
I have no problem with herbivores, but it appears that you have a problem with omnivores. Why so sensitive ?
There still is no complants on this post - meat eaters and cattle cause global warming - http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?s=...st&p=113868


Didnt see that post,i dont have a problem i just saw the post and thought it was a retarded idea

Quote:That men losing testosterone create an apathetic male population is a more valid a theory than - fear mongering environmentalists claiming cow farts are killing the planet

I doubt both of them
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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01-08-2008, 09:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-08-2008, 09:40 PM by LeveL.)
#36
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:
Quote:That men losing testosterone create an apathetic male population is a more valid a theory than - fear mongering environmentalists claiming cow farts are killing the planet

I doubt both of them

So do I, eating meat or not eating meat has nothing to do with testosterone.

BUT - if you never eat meat then you better make up for it by eating a shitload of cheese, peanuts, eggs etc otherwise you won't be getting your protein.

If you lift weights (even if you don't in fact) and don't eat protein, your body will waste away slightly, you'll become weaker because instead of using protein you would have eaten, your body uses muscle you've already got - which is bad, real bad.

Vegans won't eat cheese or eggs - jesus, that can't be healthy, it just can't be, where are you getting the protein from? What food do vegans eat that has protein in it?

I urge all vegans to quit it and eat some real food, Nyte. :P
&Everybody thinks everybody else thinks on their level& - LeveL
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01-09-2008, 01:48 AM,
#37
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:Can't find a decent reference right now but over the longer term the UN intends to ban the human consumption of meat. Bah.

Eat the rich!
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01-09-2008, 06:52 AM,
#38
Vegans cause Global Warming
i eat to much beans and take protein shakes

chill man chill

im vegetarian not vegan
but id like to move toward veganism
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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01-09-2008, 07:45 AM,
#39
Vegans cause Global Warming
strict vegan diet impairs brain development in children.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11...1494748,00.html
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01-09-2008, 01:51 PM,
#40
Vegans cause Global Warming
there are not many pleasures in life, and sitting down to a good bit of cow some chips some onion rings with some nice mushrooms sauce... and a few pints of larger... or some wine if you prefer... is definetly one of those pleasures...

theres no denying it, scientificly its proven, quality food releases serotonin and/or dopamine, im not a brain expert. but you know what im saying.

there is a reason why we dont all just eat some paste or get fed by some pipe twice a day. its cause food tastes good and it makes us feel good. simple. why deny yourself one of the great pleasures of our existenz. you have to ask yourself why ? the claims of better health is untrue, the claims for being against killing animals is rooted in some form of guilt which is masked by a false sense of doing good.

yeh sure we have industrialized the meat industry, cows are not animals they are a product, rather ironic that some people used to worship them centuries ago. now we have them being vacuum packed and milked for consumption by the masses.

but you not eating meat is not going to stop any of it.

any other viable reasons for not eating meat, please share, maybe you can turn some of us into plant eaters. or maybe not.
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01-09-2008, 05:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-09-2008, 05:16 PM by LeveL.)
#41
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:the claims for being against killing animals is rooted in some form of guilt which is masked by a false sense of doing good.

So true.

What vegetarians and vegans seem to ignore, is the fact that human beings have eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years - or even millions of years, hunting fish, ox, deer, rabbits, if it moves then pre-historical humans caught it and ate it. Its not natural to never eat meat.

You might be able to "consciously decide" in the modern day to be a vegetarian, but this does not make you a vegetarian, because you're just not, its genetically impossible.
&Everybody thinks everybody else thinks on their level& - LeveL
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01-11-2008, 01:54 PM,
#42
Vegans cause Global Warming
i dont think anyone is really arguing if meat ITSELF is bad for you.
its what they put into the meat while the cow is growing or to get it to grow wich is in fact bad for u.
if u look into Monsanto's for one.u will see.
its obvious we can live off meat.as humans we are ment to do the best to survive.in essence either by will
or supply if need be.funny thing about eating meat is that most people would not..if they had to grow.
and kill an animal by them selfs.i just dont find it nice to cut open a animals jugular and let it suffocate on its
own blood wile it dies while hooked to mechanical instruments.(wich is the way lots of factory farms operate).
its one thing if u are fine with that.BUTTttt best be leave the hormones that get injected into cows ends up in YOU.period.if u goin to eat meat..eat free range eggs and non homogenized milk.when it gets boiled you actually lose alot of the good nutereants in the milk to begin with.and there is 2 diffrent types of calcium.
milk after homogenized dose not carry.so u are not getting healthier stonger bones from drinking it.
u get more from greens that u ever could milk.not to mention..U ARE NOT A CALF.but i digress,just look
into what is being pumped into what u eat man..its not that hard..its just on some Mc Donald's shit.
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01-11-2008, 01:59 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-11-2008, 01:59 PM by nataraja.)
#43
Vegans cause Global Warming
blah blah blah

ill shoot a cow, skin it, and chop it up, stick on a fire, cook it, and then eat it with some chips.

you dont eat meat cause you feel sorry for the animals ?

shit, if lions had your feelings they would die.
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01-11-2008, 02:01 PM,
#44
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:
Quote:the claims for being against killing animals is rooted in some form of guilt which is masked by a false sense of doing good.

So true.

What vegetarians and vegans seem to ignore, is the fact that human beings have eaten meat for hundreds of thousands of years - or even millions of years, hunting fish, ox, deer, rabbits, if it moves then pre-historical humans caught it and ate it. Its not natural to never eat meat.

You might be able to "consciously decide" in the modern day to be a vegetarian, but this does not make you a vegetarian, because you're just not, its genetically impossible.

how can u say what is natural for a person if its not ur decision man?
we have the choice to eat what we want.and i have never heard anyone say we ''never ate meat''
thats just ignorant.so the point there is irrelevant.
and how if one does not choose to eat meat Not make him vegitarian?
the term itself simply means to not consume meat.regardless by choice or habit.
so again irrelevance.

i dunno i find alot of people are talking out there ass on this topic without really looking into
or even trying to understand it.wich is sad comin from such a forum with good topics and peoples.

i dont see why everyone is so defensive and argumentative just look up the facts people.
stop trying to ''debunk'' they way people live.
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01-11-2008, 02:56 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-11-2008, 03:04 PM by LeveL.)
#45
Vegans cause Global Warming
Quote:how can u say what is natural for a person if its not ur decision man?

For the very reason you say, its merely "a decision". Consciously deciding to be a "vegetarian" is not something that is natural, since humans are omnivores by nature. Go back ten thousand years and you won't find any such thing as a "vegetarian". It is a human invention - it is not part of the natural evolution of man.

Why do you think you have meat eating animal type teeth like a meat eater would have and not flat blocky teeth like a herbivore would have?

Imagine for a moment if some freaky horse or cow stopped eating grass/hay and it would only eat meat, would it then instantly become NATURAL for that horse/cow to be eating meat? No! Oh but its its "decision" right? So what, I don't care what you decide - you're trying to claim the actual genetics of the body and evolution of millions of years can be somehow over-ruled by deciding to not eat meat and that this somehow means its "natural" to be a vegetarian.

Being a vegetarian is not natural.

Quote:we have the choice to eat what we want.and i have never heard anyone say we ''never ate meat''

If you claim to be a "vegetarian" and you eat meat then you're not a vegetarian.

Quote:thats just ignorant.so the point there is irrelevant.

OK. Yep. OK.

Quote:and how if one does not choose to eat meat Not make him vegitarian?

If you claim to be a "vegetarian" and you eat meat then you're not a vegetarian.

Quote:the term itself simply means to not consume meat.regardless by choice or habit.

I agree. You do know the words "consume" and "eat" (in the context of food) are essentially the same thing?

So whats up?

Lets see what Dictionary.com says about vegetarians...

Quote:vegetarian

1. a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc.
–adjective
2. of or pertaining to vegetarianism or vegetarians.
3. devoted to or advocating this practice.
4. consisting solely of vegetables: vegetarian vegetable soup.

Seems to pretty much wrap it up for me.

Quote:i dunno i find alot of people are talking out there ass on this topic without really looking into or even trying to understand it.

Me too.

Quote:i dont see why everyone is so defensive and argumentative just look up the facts people.

Good call.

Quote:stop trying to ''debunk'' they way people live.

I'm not. I am pointing out how vegetarians are trying to debunk the millions-of-years-old history of the evolution of man and how in all that time, man has always ate meat in the past and how being a "vegetarian" is just something people do to be part of a smaller crowd, to be trendy or maybe because they do feel bad about animals being killed for food. It only came about in the modern world.

You show me evidence of vegetarianism in Sumeria, Egypt, Babylon or wherever? Even if you could, there were millions of years of humans living on Earth before that time, hunting with spears and so forth.

I guess ancient pre-historic hunter gatherers just created those flint stone spear heads to make us all THINK they were meat eaters?

Wheres the logic in being a vegetarian? I mean some guy (but normally its women) say "OK I am a vegetarian now, its terrible all the animals that get killed" but this does not stop any less animals being killed. Plus it can't be good for you.

If you're gonna start with the "red meat causes cancer" routine, I am not typing it all out again why thats a load of cobblers, see my earlier posts for why red meat isn't the cause of cancer.
&Everybody thinks everybody else thinks on their level& - LeveL
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