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the myth of the myth of global warming
12-19-2007, 01:47 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2007, 01:54 PM by rsol.)
#76
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mad:

You have assumed i have not looked into it because i dont mention it OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Get a grip. this is the problem with you. You're one of the zionism troop. You're easy to spot these days. If i Haarp can be connected with all kinds of shit. human brain frequencies, not to mention powering satelites etc. I've read up plenty m8 and guess what. For the amount of energy to heat the atmosphere I would need about 3 power stations all to themselves jsut to make a big enough dent. But hey keep believing what you read. dont for one minute THINK about it. That sort of stuff can hurt the head. Lets just quote other scientists, they know what they are on about hey.

Notice i haven't mentioned Aliens. ITS THEM THEN! I've studied Haarp and its a red herring as are chem trails. Maybe you dont know this but jet aircraft, when reaching a certain height produce an exhaust that can be seen but only at that certain height.

I don't mention things i don't see as relevant. Tell me you include all arguments in your posting and Ill eat my hat.

Not one of you here has a clear understanding about environmental issues but you sure as hell know how to make it look like a conspiracy.
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12-19-2007, 01:54 PM,
#77
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Hell m8. I spent God knows how long writing that for you - and you reply in about 20 seconds.

I'm through with you Rsol. You are a fool
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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12-19-2007, 01:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2007, 01:59 PM by rsol.)
#78
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soz ent that was for mad.

Im reading up and you and me do agree on many points here.

But when you mention about trying to effect change in the current political climate its as though im advicating Al Gore. Quite the opposite. We dont need this man as our champion and if you look into my previous posts about when he got nominated for the Nobel Prize i was the first to say.

Im saying the science behind global warming is real and the politics behind it is not. They will use anything they can get their hands on to confuse and split us.

This thread should be proof of that
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12-19-2007, 02:08 PM,
#79
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Quote:if you got this far... wow...just ignore me and carry on...:)
When you don't sleep you have time for anything. If I'm confrontational it's because I come here for the information, I stay for the debate.

There's been a lot said since I last came on here, I haven't really read all of it. It just seems like nataraja was right, and we seem to be yelling the same shit at one another, as if the other is wrong.

I think we all agree that we're not the problem and anything the elite justify with this is bullshit. Just the same as 9/11, only they're killing millions of third world citizens by proxy rather than a few thousand Americans directly.

I definitely agree that atomic testing, HAARP, and chemtrails and other weather modification all play a part in this. But I think those prove that global warming and the destruction of the environment are serious issues. It could be this is the best idea they had for wiping out 80% of the population. Mass climate destruction to cause worldwide economic depression among starvation and other things. But that's just speculation; worst case scenario. Nonetheless I think the science behind global warming makes sense and is observable, has been observed, and is proven.

Is the idea then that while the elite are modifying the weather it is just to make it appear that climate change is occurring when it really isn't?

It just seems like you're arguing with me with points I agree with. So I'm confused now.

Peace.
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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12-19-2007, 02:27 PM,
#80
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Rsol:
Quote:soz ent that was for mad.

Yes, I see you've now edited the post to reflect that.

As for the rest of your last post, I agree with everything you say - except the part about politics being unreal. Many years ago I used to start the first politics lessons of the academic year by asking my students how they thought politics affected them. Politics and psychology are never taught in British schools so by the time they got to me they still had everything to learn. At the end of the course we discussed the same topic again. Valuable sessions, though I say it myself; not least because it made me feel better about what I was being paid to do.

Peace and love to all...
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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12-19-2007, 02:41 PM,
#81
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Rdol, I just noticed this that you said:

Quote:Btw as far as "weather modification". SHOW SOME EVIDENCE AND NOT JUST CONJECTURE

I will, but it's several months away yet. For now, take a look here. Chuck 'em a few bucks and they'll cook you up a storm!

http://weathermod.com/
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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12-19-2007, 02:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2007, 02:46 PM by rsol.)
#82
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I knew we were on the same page.

You are quite correct about politics and psychology. I would also say personal finance should have been a key studying point for most children but thats another one left alone. I think you have been the victim of some crosstalk meant for other persons.

As i have said about Mars, the reason i then put Venus into the debate was to show its total irrelevance as to earths climate and conditions.

As stated CO2 is not the only protagonist but it is an issue. Also sulfur dioxide has a major part to play as does water vapour (if only on the lower part of the atmosphere). These all have their effects in differing formats. I havent even mentioned carbon sinks fully yet.

What alot of people dont realise is that the global cooling period in the 50s to 70s was infact BECAUSE of pollution. There was alot of horrible shit being pumped up into the air but not in a refined "clean" fashion. This made for reflective clouds as apposed to dark rain clouds. It was one of the reasons why the cloud belt has shifted northwards and brought Africa into drought.

What i can see is a concerted effort by the Murdoch media machine to pump this "message of the day" out into the population for the purposes of confusion.

I think we have finally stumbled upon an adult conversation. may it continue.
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12-19-2007, 02:56 PM,
#83
the myth of the myth of global warming
:wink:
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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12-19-2007, 03:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2007, 03:17 PM by rsol.)
#84
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ok here we go.

Weather modification on a local scale is perfectly apparent but on a large global scale it would be difficult if not impossible to make this. cloud seeding is a farming tool as most of us understand. It is not a covert activity. The web page alone explains that.

We have alot of people who believe (yes, believe) that HAARP is also responsible for such things. I know radio can be responsible for heating molecules but as an after effect of resistance. Most of the energy is being directed at the ionosphere. If anything this should culminate in a cooling effect as the the ionosphere has a principle effect of reflecting the Sun's nastier elements.

From what i understand HAARP to be they do this stuff on an experimental level and quite irresponsibly and they do not know what they do. Some of their aims are for making the ionosphere into a communication medium(remember Tesla?) not to mention for the disruption of communications (USAF).

This is not to say they dont do violent things to it aswell. Ive heard of experiment designed to "thin" the ionosphere. One idea behind this could be for safer space flight.
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12-19-2007, 03:41 PM,
#85
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also ill break that quote down again

“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart. Former Minister of the Environment for Canada

I think this sentence can be used out of context. If someone had asked her if it were a hoax for example. She also did not state that it was. She mearly stated IF it were all phoney......
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12-19-2007, 04:10 PM,
#86
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Rsol:
Quote:Not one of you here has a clear understanding about environmental issues but you sure as hell know how to make it look like a conspiracy

hmm right... with this attitude its not surrprising this thread went like it did, how are you surrposed to learn from somone with this attitude ? do you puke arrogance ?

bleh....

ok

so we can all agree that we have a corporate and govermental exploitation of the concept of climate change.

atleast we can agree on somthing, either side you sit on this much is true.

i see both of your sides and for me, i think im not sure anymore, as i was super enviromentalist before mainstream media started ramming it down our throats like a porn stars cock. this was in 1998-2002 or so, then i wasnt too sure, then i was completely anti climate change, largly due to the exploitation by the MSM that i mentioned earlier that completely turned me away, not that i was pro pollution, i was never an extremist either way. so now im sitting on the fence with the climate change caused by humans theory, i cant rule it out, but i definetly wont go and protest about it, but i definetly beleive we need to change our lifestyles to somthing more sustainable and positive for the enviroment (thats if you accept we are having a negative impact, if any impact what so ever) well... ya... but if you say to me that i need to give up my pc and intraweb access in order to have a sustainable lifestyle....welll i think ill deal with that when and if it comes up ....

Quote:Slate me all you will I have at least come to realize that there are no winners when discussing climate change or global warming you know why ? hocus pocus any facts are not ones own and anything else comes from oppisites from both ends of this.. one out the ass one out the mouth whilst we are all wasting time on this ... say! anyone find that spoilt childs toy yet ?

ya blah blah blah climate change *drives suv* *drinks bottle of coke* *sleeps in 1st world house*

but no climate change doesnt exist, we are having no impact what so ever, its the weather modification and the aliens and the sun...:rolleyes:
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12-19-2007, 05:21 PM,
#87
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Rsol said:
Quote:Weather modification on a local scale is perfectly apparent but on a large global scale it would be difficult if not impossible to make this.
Apologies for linking to such a huge article in response to this, but some parts of it are quite pertinent. Essentially, it’s a long list of people who would probably disagree with you!

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cfm?fuse...essay_id=231274
Quote:cloud seeding is a farming tool as most of us understand.
The first time I saw cloud seeding reported as a commercial activity it was in relation to a Cliff Richard concert in Russia, sometime in the early 80s. The Chinese have promised a clear weather Olympics. There is also evidence that insurance companies have more than a passing interest in the issue. Farming is but one aspect of a wider economic picture.

Quote:It is not a covert activity. The web page alone explains that.
If I dangle a gold watch on a chain in front of your face with my right hand, it’s much easier to slap you round the back of my head with the left, if you see what I mean!

Quote:We have alot of people who believe (yes, believe) that HAARP is also responsible for such things.
Individuals might get hung up on specifics at times, but eventually they will learn that different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum exhibit different properties and that many of them can be used against us. Can’t put my hands on a good summative link just now but it seems to me that there is ample evidence to confirm the widespread use of energy modulation devices as a class – some of which can affect the weather.

Anecdotal perhaps, but check out the cool animation on the right of this page:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/KreisbergG2.php

Quote:I know radio can be responsible for heating molecules but as an after effect of resistance. Most of the energy is being directed at the ionosphere. If anything this should culminate in a cooling effect as the the ionosphere has a principle effect of reflecting the Sun's nastier elements.
This poor quality but excellent 30 min video probably explains better than I could. Lots of examples but the bit about the space shuttle is particularly interesting.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...737295949774810

Quote:From what i understand HAARP to be they do this stuff on an experimental level and quite irresponsibly and they do not know what they do.
HAARP hails from 1993. The experimentation phase is over. Are you aware of Project Argus (1958), Project Starfish (1962), The Obit Maneuvering System (1981) or the Innovative Shuttle Experiments (1985)? It’s not just HAARP. Not by a long chalk – and again, I ask you, just why the African villagers and I take the blame for that mess?

Quote:Some of their aims are for making the ionosphere into a communication medium(remember Tesla?) not to mention for the disruption of communications (USAF).
A thread for another time perhaps?
The three grand imperatives of imperial geostrategy are to prevent collusion and maintain security dependence among the vassals, to keep tributaries pliant and protected, and to keep the barbarians from coming together. Zbig the Ruthless.
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12-21-2007, 08:04 AM,
#88
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Its weird that every time they talk about "Global Warming"
No one mentions all the Nuclear tests and i do not mean all the tests
above gound i mean the hunderts of underground test.

I mean if we are talking about global warming this should be the second one mentioned after the sun.
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12-21-2007, 01:33 PM,
#89
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Quote:
Quote:ya blah blah blah climate change *drives suv* *drinks bottle of coke* *sleeps in 1st world house*

but no climate change doesnt exist, we are having no impact what so ever, its the weather modification and the aliens and the sun...:rolleyes:

Please save being a comedian to the comedians nataraja
what the hell do aliens have to do with the weather ? honestly
well you may not be far off with the 'sun'
and you're almost rubbing the surface with weather modification
but please for the love of your suv and bottle of coke
quit being a comedian as you are in no way funny.

i quoted you in my post early in the thread cause i agreed with what you said, found it funny and thought you summed it up.

what i said afterwards had no connection to what you posted and was meant to be a completely different statements with no sort of reply or remark to what you said.

so your response has surrprised me
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