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the myth of the myth of global warming
12-16-2007, 02:26 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-16-2007, 02:27 PM by rsol.)
#61
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if you dont have interest in science then you have no place in this debate.

You state about Mars and then state you have no interest in "propaganda"?

Are you saying that all the descriptions of the planets, studied for centuries and have had satelites flown to them to study surfaces and atmospheres and find out what makes them tick is ALL some plot to get tax? That pretty long game being played.

This is a website for people to debate whether a conspiracy is fact or fiction. We have two facts here that you deniers seem to cling to. The basic idea that the sun heats the planets and is the only thing responsible for hot and cold. The other is that co2 and air temperature have no relation.

Id just like to ask this question. Why don't we freeze to death when the sun goes down? Im asking this simple question as i arrives from your logic.

You also may want to look into the Kyoto treaty all those years ago and ask Bush what he thought of it. His administration described co2 as "not a pollutant" so just remember that you are now directly quoting them. Black is white again. We are being infiltrated here folks. The well is looking muddy. Like people say all those years, dont believe everything you read. Look for who benefits from this.

We should all know about private funding as apposed to gov funding is a whole different ball game. In the US you have entire universities sponsored by oil companies. This stems a very heavily biased opinion.

When people talk about consensus opinion they mean WORLDWIDE not just new world wide. I know America has this notion that it knows everything about everything and that only 19,000 unverified (some with repeated names, not to mention Geri Haliwell PHD and Perry mason PHD) scientists comparing to oceanographers and climatologists from New-Zealand to Portugal. These people agree on most but not all points. On the whole they generally agree on about 90% certainty. For the scientific community to get 90% consensus if pretty good. 10% is not that much doubt.

But hey listen to Alex, he knows because hes been studying climate change for ever. It really got in the way of his work. I know hes been looking into the CFR and big business, not to mention all those films and radio etc. But under all that hes been avidly doing his own experiments making sure the scientific community is not lying us. And don't forget folks. In every schoolroom there is a guy in a suit making sure our science teachers are saying the right stuff. not to meant "prison planet" radio telescopes dotted around country. Now im getting too sarcastic even for me.

Lets keep arguing this to the death until our politicians don't have to do anything all over again hey? divide and conquer..........
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12-16-2007, 02:45 PM, (This post was last modified: 12-16-2007, 02:47 PM by rsol.)
#62
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btw the way % means per 100 not amount. So double check 95% of the atmosphere on Venus is CO2 correct as has Mars . NOW WHICH ONE IS A THIN ATMOSPHERE? They are not "kind of like each other" and we are not "kind of like" Mars. Dont use your argument selectively
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12-16-2007, 07:38 PM,
#63
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Triplesix said:
Quote:But you act as if these arguments prove it not worthwhile to live a more sustainable lifestyle and for industry to clean themselves up
Triplesix, you have absolutely no idea how I act or what I think beyond what I've recorded on this forum - thus your inferences concerning my attitude towards sustainable lifestyles and/or cleaner industry are unfounded and nothing more than bogus speculation, unless you'd like to quote something where I refer specifically to such things. In fact, I'll save you the trouble and state my position right here. Sustainable lifestyles and cleaner industry should be brought about asap. That clear enough for you?
:rolleyes:
Rsol said:
Quote:if you dont have interest in science then you have no place in this debate.
KMA sunshine. Like 666 you are attempting to force words into my mouth. Earlier I outlined in a very basic way why the CC/MMCC debate (and thus your posturing) is politically influenced (if not entirely orchestrated). You can't show me where I said I had no interest in science because you made it up; which makes you a fraud. As for my having no place in this debate; that's my decision, not yours, so I suggest you learn to live with it.
Rsol said:
Quote:You state about Mars and then state you have no interest in "propaganda"?
Really? Is that what "I'm not terribly interested in Mars or Venus and I have no intention of referring to wikipedia for anything other than "approved" propaganda to line my birdcage with" means? I think not. Again, for the record, I am very interested in propaganda - and if you were as smart as you like to think you'd know that already. (You'd also know WHY I posed the Mars article too, but you don't, cos you're not).
Rsol said:
Quote:Are you saying that all the descriptions of the planets, studied for centuries and have had satelites flown to them to study surfaces and atmospheres and find out what makes them tick is ALL some plot to get tax? That pretty long game being played.
You really are a very stupid Rsol if you think you can get away with associating me with that nonsensical drivel you just made up. This isn't about taxation and I never said it was.
Rsol said:
Quote:This is a website for people to debate whether a conspiracy is fact or fiction.
You think that's all it is Rsol?
Quote:We have two facts here that you deniers seem to cling to. The basic idea that the sun heats the planets and is the only thing responsible for hot and cold. The other is that co2 and air temperature have no relation.
Perhaps we could resume this debate in a few years once you've grown up a bit Rsol. Either that or, (AGAIN), please show me where I've ever said either of those two things. Oh, and quit the "denier" name calling/group association too. I'm not denying anything like as much as you are. What about those quotes I posted? Why don't you address them?

Sorry for not replying to the rest of your rant, but I don't see why I should waste my time clearing up crap in the playpen. I spit on your attempts to cast unfounded associations between Alex Jones, George W Bush and my good self and I'm certainly not going to answer your thinly disguised attempt to patronize me. I made the point that Venus and Mars were NOT like Earth - and even that you turned around. You really are a despicable operator, but fortunately, the passing reader is often able to discern these things surprisingly readily.

Before I go, here's another gaping hole in your consensus for the reader to ponder:

"I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype." James Spann. ABC-TV meteorologist. January 2007.

Let me guess. His wife's uncle has shares in BP and all the other meteorologists are only saying that because they're not as clever as you.

:rolleyes:
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12-17-2007, 04:20 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-17-2007, 04:23 AM by rsol.)
#64
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sounding very grown up there.

IF you are going to slap Mars under my nose and not take notice of other planets and maybe think about it then you're on the wrong angle.

And yes this IS a forum for discussion. If its anything more then thats in your mind. I'm just tired of going over the same ground 10 years down the road. We have just managed to get this going through discussion on the ground as in word of mouth. We now have fucks hijacking the thing. Instead of seeing that people are hijacking the issue, people seem to be thinking it doesn't exist at all. one word. bullshit.

If you think you can explain Earths conditions by relating them to Mars and then being "not interested" when a curve ball comes your way, well as I said, you dont have a place in this debate. back your shit up with something concrete rather than clinging to a few people paid to say what they say. Its a fraud.

Lets agree on something. CO2 is NOT the only protagonist here. happy now? Now lets have a look at the other factors that make up this. Like carbon sinks. How about refined pollution as apposed to unrefined pollution? anyone here know the difference?

There is no thin guise at patronization. It was for effect.

As to the quotes you posted. Does any of them admit to global warming as some sort of lie to get us to do anything? I see them agree that it is a problem. I see that they are looking for a way to use it but not say that it isn't so. guess again.

Plus TV meteorologists are ON THE TV!! nuf said.

You want some grown up conversation? no problem. I'm just waiting for it to arrive.
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12-17-2007, 06:17 AM,
#65
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Sorry if I hurt your fweelings :crybaby:
&We grow to recognize form. We grow to label that form. In doing so, do we become more intelligent? Do we become more awakened?& - Siji Tzu 四季子
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12-17-2007, 07:47 PM,
#66
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lolz...the silence speaks for itself.
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12-18-2007, 01:14 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-18-2007, 01:16 AM by Rosebery.)
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Quote:If you are referring to me rsol, then perhaps you should read my last post. I'm not terribly interested in Mars or Venus and I have no intention of referring to wikipedia for anything other than "approved" propaganda to line my birdcage with.
Please Entropiate, please don't take things so personally. You and I got off on a bad footing for this (or very similar) reason in another thread and I notice my olive branch is still lying on the ground. 'Tis feeling very lonely BTW.

You've clearly very passionate about your subject and have much to offer here but lighten up a bit huh?

Cheers
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12-18-2007, 05:28 AM,
#68
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LoL

Exxon this and paid shill that blah blah blah ........



Wheres the tax for this then ?

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The middle east is being poisoned with this filth, paid for by western tax paying citizens, which is having a detrimental affect on humans & land / eco systems in those countries that are war torn.

Chasing the terrrrrrrrrrrorists is fine even though the munitions being used are killing the earth more than the gas out of a cows ass or the CO2 coming from my car...

Why are these scientists not reporting this ?

Until all factors are considered that man is making the planet hotter, not just garbage about cows, cars, lightbulbs and all the shitty things we use then its just a 1 sided argument propagated through the media machine with only 1 outcome, more micro managed control over our existences.


Quote:No, my interest in the subject relates more directly to the sentiments referred in the statements below:

Quote:"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."
Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution 1991), page 104.

"The emerging 'environmentalization' of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change
in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government."
Mikhail Gorbachev, Club of Rome member, State of the World Forum, 1996

"Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeploymentof human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level."
Excerpt, UN Agenda 21

"...we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public's imagination.... So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts.... Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest."
Stephen Schneider, Stanford Professor of Climatology Lead Author of many IPCC reports


Right on Bro :cool:
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12-18-2007, 12:10 PM,
#69
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But I don't fucking understand,

you cite depleted uranium as a fantastic source of pollution but then cite the agenda as the reason not to care!

Fallacious logic, people, come on!
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12-18-2007, 06:51 PM,
#70
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stop arguing like bush and cheney you are clearly above this, you need to get out of that defensive argumentative way of communicating, you can actually say things without them being an argument.

i hear this all the time, people throw a "no" into their sentence as to disagree with what i said (not just here) when the sentence would of worked perfectly fine without the no. im not saying that you shouldnt disagree cause that is inevitable.

i just feel your attitudes are wrong when it comes to this sort of thing, and mine probaly as well, you end up arguing about silly things like you said i said this and i said that but i never said this, and you are this and that cause you think i said this. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!!"!

we have a simple way of communication here and we cant always get what we want to say across as best as we would like, so take everything in the context of what they are trying to say. so when rsol says that you said blah blah sustainable lifestyles blah blah, then what hes probaly saying is that, from what it seems, from what im getting from what you are communicating to me, is that it doesnt seem like you think there is an importance to live a sustainable lifestyle.

this is just one example, but you take it soo personal and shit and realy man it sucks.

not just one person all of you us do it, and it sucks. the first thing we can do to fix this sort of thing is become aware of it, like everything else, first comes awareness.

cause i see your argueing about climate change but you are not realy argueing, you probaly actually share the same opinions and all of us probaly learnt from each other atleast somthing, ofcourse we are all opinionated mother fuckers, but we still have a bit of humility to learn from each, well atleast i hope so.

so what am i saying ?

less defensivness and more openmindedness

if you got this far... wow...just ignore me and carry on...:)
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12-18-2007, 07:31 PM,
#71
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The climate is changing, but then theres never been a period of time in history where the climate is not changing.

The sun causes this, not humans.

Yes, big companies and us consumers all "contribute" to pollution, but thats pollution m'kay, not climate change - we arn't making the Earth heat up, that is just a ridiculous thing to suggest... but of course we have NON-SCIENTISTS like Al Gore (an ex-politician and therefore a liar straight away) telling us its us causing it to then get this "Global Carbon Tax" on the go.

Erm, doesn't Al Gore sit on the board of an organisation alongside the heads of the big oil companies? All this stuff is to push up the cost of oil I think - hence thats why the oil companies would back Al Gore.

Al Gore - a man that uses nineteen times more electricity per year than the average American.
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12-19-2007, 10:52 AM, (This post was last modified: 12-19-2007, 11:20 AM by rsol.)
#72
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the problem is you guys dont see this as a trick. It got used 20 years ago. Nothing gets done if they get a mandate from the people. It was starting to get a bit high pressure from environmentalists.

Im no Al Gore fan. The guy is jumping on this bandwangon to get something out of it to be sure. Hes a Dem. Isnt it funny that suddenly all these "facts" came about after the film he was in? We call it partisan hackery. The media machine does its job well. If a little too obviously these days. It still manages to catch people out though.

Suckered by the republicans AGAIN! I would expect people to know when they are being hoodwinked here out of all places. Most thinking people in england can see through this. At least the ones I talk to. Same happened with live 8. The G8 summit just happened to coincide with the 7/7 bombings and all that talk of Africa was forgotten about.

Ill say it again. Just because you cant always see your impact on the world first hand and instantaneously, it must have no effect? pseudoscience.

Btw as far as "weather modification". SHOW SOME EVIDENCE AND NOT JUST CONJECTURE. cloud seeding and throwing energy into the ionosphere is a very expensive way of heating the earth. Not to mention the actual energy needed to make any difference. You will believe that 6 billion people burning fuels like nobody's business has no tangible effect and say that few hundred square metres of radio equipment is supposed to do anything except disrupt of enhance communications. funny hows those trains of logic seem to be going in different directions. And no this isn't the tread for the Haarp lot to harp on......

Dont assume we all just take everything we read and see as a conspiracy. Its these fucks who are making it look like a conspiracy. Its amazing what people are prepared to say in order for them not to do anything to effect change. ANY excuse.....
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12-19-2007, 01:31 PM,
#73
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First a quickie.

Thanks for the support SEGMeNT. Other good posts here from others too, as always. Nice to know I'm not alone!

Another quickie: TripleSix said
Quote:Sorr-y if I hurt your fweelings :crybaby:
I honestly trust you aren’t really as out of touch with reality as you indicate here santa.
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12-19-2007, 01:31 PM,
#74
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Special post for Rsol. Hope you receive this reply in the spirit it is given. I don’t know why I went to all this trouble, but perhaps it’s because I like to think there’s still an outside chance that you could be a genuine guy trying to do and say the right thing.

Quote:lolz...the silence speaks for itself

That was a poor start wasn't it Sherlock? Apparently your superlative insight lied to you again.

Quote:IF you are going to slap Mars under my nose and not take notice of other planets and maybe think about it then you're on the wrong angle.

What do you care? I mean, really? You want to pin the blame on my entire species when some of our more selfish elements have so much more to answer for than others. Other planets won’t help you make your point, but they will help spin the passing reader into a huge pit of diversionary and counter-conflicting data. Your insistence on returning to it provides me an opportunity to bring your motivation into question. Had I been the oil company disinfo merchant you suspect, I would have directed the thread all over the solar system and beyond. That was one reason for the trip to Mars. I wanted to see if you would hop on board. As for my “angle”, it achieved its short-term objective. I have an agenda, which I am quite open about, but I don’t get paid to pursue it and it does not involve lying to people.

Quote:I'm just tired of going over the same ground 10 years down the road.

OK, taking you at face value; you want to save the planet from human destruction. Fine, me too. But why focus more or less exclusively on Joe Public? Al Gore the Allegory’s electricity bill was a fine anti-propaganda coup, but FFS dude it’s getting beyond a joke! I mean, you and I both know that this is just the very tip of the iceberg in terms of the hypocrisy surrounding this issue. Look at the emissions “most-favoured-trading-nation” China is pumping out. (Take a look at their labour relations too for good measure – see the future). Plenty of other examples could be suggested. Even the energy consumption of the US compared to where I live is enough to make me sick. Why start on me and a village full of Africans? We’re not the ones with the smokestacks or the money – although we do have plenty of stuff that’s been dumped on us (in so many ways). The whole debate is corrupted; right to its core and to imagine you can isolate climate change and address it effectively within the current political paradigm is hopelessly naive and frankly ridiculous in my opinion. It’s the entire system that has to change - and deep down you know it, as do many others.

Superficially you might have fine sounding principles but you are standing by as a minefield of corporate rip-offs, loopholes and scams ruin this planet at a far greater rate than I could do even if I wanted to. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. <span style="color:white">It’s time to change the system to save the planet from the system. It’s all very well saying you’re tired of going over the same old ground. Me too, but we both still come on fishing trips to places like this – or are you here simply to tussle with people you have no hope of imprinting your paradigm upon? If so, I’m out.

Anyway, then of course there’s the upper-level hypocrisy. Yes, I’m talking about those quotes again. Here you have the elites telling you they’re going to manipulate this issue for control purposes and you don’t want to look at it and see it for what it is. The eugenics agenda is all over this thing. At the very least, I consider it surprising that you aren’t concerned at the prospect. Perhaps you don’t think it’s real: that it’s some silly conspiracy that these elitists keep expounding in their writings? Well if so, please feel free to try to convince me they’re lying for effect. I’m quite happy to discuss why I think it’s real enough – although to my mind there are many posts and writers here who can express it better than I. That’s the main reason I’m here. Arguing with you is just a hobby on the side. (Sorry, couldn’t resist that one).

Quote:We have just managed to get this going through discussion on the ground as in word of mouth.

Oh please, spare me. Sure, you Americans have been taking the pi55 and hiding your heads in the sand forever, but believe me, the global warming (then, later the re-launched climate change) phenomenon has been well publicized (and yet still often very badly explained) in places like the UK for many years. What’s more the education system has been actively pursuing an aggressive ramping up of the environmental agenda for at least 25 years – and I speak as someone with first hand knowledge. It might sound a bit Alex Jones, but I think you could make the case that our youngest children are being forcibly programmed to become very effective enviro-nazis in the near future. Agenda 21 is no joke.

Quote:We now have fucks hijacking the thing. Instead of seeing that people are hijacking the issue, people seem to be thinking it doesn't exist at all. one word. bullshit.

One word indeed…

No, I’ll be more productive – not least because you DO see it after all and that gives me hope for you! Yes, people HAVE hijacked the issue. Well done. But you seem to regard it as just a technical blip - a minor issue, when it isn’t. This is far bigger than climate change. And please don’t do that “I’m focusing on the science” thing again. The title of your post was designed to be provocative, much more than it was intended to act as a catalyst for useful scientific discussion and research, was it not? I reacted, because I too have an agenda. Exactly what do you not agree with that I have said?

Quote:If you think you can explain Earths conditions by relating them to Mars and then being "not interested" when a curve ball comes your way, well as I said, you dont have a place in this debate

Bothering you, isn’t it? Relax. They’re only words.

Quote:back your shit up with something concrete rather than clinging to a few people paid to say what they say. Its a fraud

Yes it is a fraud. Who funds the Club of Rome, Gorbachev and the slimy IPCC shill? As for backing things up; what would you like me to provide? And would you read it anyway?

Quote:Lets agree on something. CO2 is NOT the only protagonist here. happy now?

Well, that’s a very generous statement given its source, but it’s interesting to see that it irked you to have to concede that too – and again your stance appears to be that it ought to be confined as a side issue. Why are you so defensive of your narrow position? Your American imprinting is showing through. It isn’t about winning and losing. It’s about coming together to develop a fullness of understanding. Can’t you see how your focus might be misplaced? In my opinion your ego is over-powering your intelligence and objectivity. I’m suggesting nothing is ruled out while you seem to be imposing a very limiting set of ground rules for the discussion that serve to hide the elite agenda perfectly. The real question therefore, is do you realize this? I do hope not Rsol, but I suspect I’m not the only one who wonders about that.

Quote:Now lets have a look at the other factors that make up this. Like carbon sinks. How about refined pollution as apposed to unrefined pollution? anyone here know the difference?

Yes thanks, but I’m always willing to look at new ideas. Again though, your thread title seems somewhat at odds with your newly declared supposed goals.

Quote:There is no thin guise at patronization. It was for effect.

Effect? I thought forums were strictly for scientific debate in Rsol world? Apparently not when you’re sounding off. Does this shed light on your rather surprising tolerance for elite hypocrisy as well?

Quote:As to the quotes you posted. Does any of them admit to global warming as some sort of lie to get us to do anything?

How would you approach it then? Address the nation on the 6 o/clock news? “Hi Folks. We’d like to tell you about our cunning scheme to change your lives beyond all recognition”? No, truth is, it’s AMAZING we have SO MUCH evidence that there are a group of individuals who plan to abuse their power in relation to this MMCC issue as it is. Neither you nor I believe climate change isn’t happening yet here we are performing like seals in our predetermined roles of impotence, both here on the forum and in “real” life, while they get away with it.

Fact is, they ARE admitting they’re going to use the issue to hoodwink the people and they ARE lying to us and, I’m sorry to say, there is a mountain of evidence to suggest that they are using the issue to get us to do lots of things – most of which involve my money, my freedom or my health. Money, which is I might add, much easier to trace back to the beneficiaries than it is to attach to anything likely to improve the environment. You really think these selfish bastards give a damn about the planet in the short to medium term? They know it’ll recover and they’ll be OK. You and I probably won’t. You think I don’t care about that?

Quote:I see them agree that it is a problem. I see that they are looking for a way to use it but not say that it isn't so. guess again.

Some quotes talk about ways to use it, others say it isn’t so, still others say something different. All is as it should be and it’ll never be any different: but there’s no need to guess - just read with an open mind. We don't have to agree to be able to work together.

Quote:Plus TV meteorologists are ON THE TV!! nuf said.

I suspect you are completely wrong here. Now I can’t speak for the ABC network of course, but here in the UK TV meteorologists are meteorologists employed by a TV station. A meteorologist does not cease to be a meteorologist once a TV station employs them, nor do they suddenly become a meteorologist when they subsequently change to an employer in another sector. Maybe you were confusing the role with that of “weather forecast presenter”? Or perhaps you were hoping to instill that image in the mind of the passing reader to detract their attention from the obvious inferences to be drawn from the quote. That could be very damaging were it to be highlighted. No matter, I'm not here to hang you out to dry. We were talking about meteorologists. This was a meteorologist talking about his fellow meteorologists. Anyone can see that and no amount of NLP stuck on the end will change the fact that that particular meteorologist and his meteorologically trained meteorological buddies seem to believe that MMCC is a scam.

Before I finish, here’s another quote I’d like you to see:

<span style="color:white">“No matter if the science of global warming is all phony... climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart. Former Minister of the Environment for Canada

What are your views on that statement?

Quote:You want some grown up conversation? no problem. I'm just waiting for it to arrive.

When I’m busy I have to prioritize, but I consider now myself to have given you a thorough and frank response. It’ll have to do.
Finally, assuming you read this far, I’d like to remind you of your earlier statement:

“And yes this IS a forum for discussion. If its anything more then thats in your mind”?

I'm not the only one who looks on that with a smile Rsol.

Take care dude. I'm not your enemy.

(PS: Sorry about the quotes. Can't seem to fix it, though I did try)
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12-19-2007, 01:31 PM,
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Rosebery: Passion is not a cut and dried issue perhaps, but I’d argue there’s nothing I’ve written in this particular thread that stems primarily from my “taking things personally”. Part of the thread was used to point out the underhand techniques used by Rsol and his apprentice in their attempt to divert and limit the parameters of the climate change debate. What’s more, the emotional tone and language used was driven by them and reflected by me. That said, I never respond well to be called a liar or some kind of agent: simply because I am neither. I’ll assume you can see that already, but for the benefit of the passing reader, here are some of the reasons why the thread sucked:

1.Neither Rsol nor 666 were prepared to acknowledge (or even read) any point of view with which they didn’t already agree – and yet Rsol rolled out his I’m only here for serious discussion line right in the middle of their charade. Hypocritical.
2.Neither responded directly to the points made other than with ridicule and/or ad hominem attacks. Unproductive, antagonistic and time-wasting.
3.Each cherry-picked, spun and corrupted the words of others for their own end – and didn’t even acknowledge it when it was pointed out! Brazen, fraudulent and extremely distasteful.

Of course, all of that self-righteousness sits somewhat ill at ease with OUR previous discourse, but that remains a separate issue. While I’ve forgotten the detail a little now, I do accept that we got off on the wrong foot and that I might have played an active part in that. It wasn’t my intention at the outset – and in my shaky defense I have to mention that I had had a very testing day that day. That’s not to say I’m ready to claim responsibility for anything more than 50% of the blame for the outcome you understand, but I’ll not let it affect our future interaction either and I look forward to moving on. Suffice it to say for now that I am aware of your olive branch and I’ve read enough of your output on CC to know that there are things I can learn from you, so no doubt we'll speak again.
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