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Race Differences
01-26-2008, 01:11 AM,
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01-26-2008, 01:13 AM,
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Quote:"A 2003 study by Eric Turkheimer, Andreana Haley, Mary Waldron, Brian D'Onofrio, Irving I. Gottesman demonstrated that the proportions of IQ variance attributable to genes and environment vary with socioeconomic status. They found that in impoverished families, 60% of the variance in IQ is accounted for by the shared environment, and the contribution of genes was close to zero."


source:Socioeconomic status modifies heritability of iq in young children
Psychological Science, Volume 14 Issue 6 Page 623-628, November 2003


Quote:…the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status. (pp. 24–25)


Quote:Social Darwinism has often been used as a general term for any evolutionary argument about the biological basis of human differences, but the initial nineteenth century meaning referred to a specific theory of class stratification within industrial societies, and particularly to the idea that there was a permanently poor underclass consisting of genetically inferior people who had precipitated down into their inevitable fate. The theory arose from a paradox of egalitarianism: as long as people remain on top of the social heap by accident of a noble name or parental wealth, and as long as members of despised castes cannot rise no matter what their talents, social stratification will not reflect intellectual merit, and brilliance will be distributed across all classes; but when true equality of opportunity is attained, smart people rise and the lower classes become rigid, retaining only the intellectually incompetent. This argument has attracted a variety of twentieth-century champions, including the Stanford psychologist Lewis M. Terman, who imported Alfred Binet's original test from France, developed the Stanford-Binet IQ test, and gave a hereditarian interpretation to the results (one that Binet had vigorously rejected in developing this style of test); Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yevv of Singapore, who tried to institute a eugenics program of rewarding well-educated women for higher birth rates; and Richard Herrnstein, a co-author of The Bell Curve and also the author of a 1971 Atlantic Monthly article that presented the same argument without the documentation. The general claim is neither uninteresting nor illogical, but it does require the validity of four shaky premises, all asserted (but hardly discussed or defended) by Herrnstein and Murray. Intelligence, in their formulation, must be depictable as a single number, capable of ranking people in linear order, genetically based, and effectively immutable. If any of these premises are false, their entire argument collapses. For example, if all are true except immutability, then programs for early intervention in education might work to boost IQ permanently, just as a pair of eyeglasses may correct a genetic defect in vision. The central argument [] fails because most of the premises are false.
( http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/bellcurve.shtml#gould )

The Mismeasure of Man professor Stephen Jay

:

Alfred Binet said of his own creation from


Edward Spearman's(http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/spearman.shtml) statistical work on general intelligence theory ( standardised Binet-Simon IQ test) :


Quote:The scale, properly speaking, does not permit the measure of intelligence, because intellectual qualities are not superposable, and therefore cannot be measured as linear surfaces are measured. (Binet 1905) Binet had designed the Binet-Simon intelligence scale in order to identify students who needed special help in coping with the school curriculum. He argued that with proper remedial education programs, most students regardless of background could catch up and perform quite well in school. He did not believe that intelligence was a measurable fixed entity.

Binet cautioned:

Some recent thinkers seem to have given their moral support to these deplorable verdicts by affirming that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity, a quantity that cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism; we must try to demonstrate that it is founded on nothing.

source:
The Return of Determinism?
The Pseudoscience of the Bell Curve

by Rajiv Rawat

http://www.rso.cornell.edu/scitech/archive/95sum/bell.html


also critical of the Binet-Simons IQ test is:
Gouldhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triarchic_theory_of_intelligence


I think that's enough to be going on with Kon3v. As we can see from this, the very nature of the test that is the fundamental underpinning of the theory you are supporting, is widely discredited in academia ~ NOT LEAST by the creator of the test itself!!! LOL

I have a shit load more info I have dredged and sifted but will hold that back until you really start coming out with some prize silage. Although tbh, I'd rather be concentrating on other things but you can't be left to propagate this racist crap unchecked. Maybe you want to be in the AB or PEN1??

nik
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01-26-2008, 01:17 AM,
#33
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Quote:Ive seen the likes of this before...nothing but hateful bullshit candy-coated for consumption if you ask me.
There is only one Race. The Human Race.
Yeah, sure there are differences. Evolutionary adaptations account for most. Has nothing to do with one race better than another or smarter than another. IQ isnt genetic to the extent that it affects a whole ethnicity, thats just ridiculous.
When looking into the author of that book
The Color of Crime...very revealing...
Just check the source for that book...
SourceWatch:
New Century Foundation, founded November 1990 and based in Oakton, Virginia, is a "self-styled think tank that publishes a monthly journal and a Web site called American Renaissance. Also hosts biannual conferences. The Foundation promotes pseudoscientific and questionably researched and argued studies to validate the superiority of whites."[1]

The Foundation is headed by Samuel Jared Taylor, "author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. ... But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of 'the new white racism' by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book The End of Racism reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book."[2]

"Presenters at conferences have included Samuel Francis and Gordon Lee Baum of the Council of Conservative Citizens. Attendees have included Don Black, operator of the white supremacist Web site Stormfront, and National Alliance leader Kevin Alfred Strom. Taylor has been a board member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, and is on the advisory board and has contributed to the racist journal Occidental Quarterly."[3]

Well, well, looky what we have here...connections to white supremacist Don Black and company, CofCC another white racist group...
Wasnt Don Black that guy that Ron Pauls Campaign was smeared with by the MainStreamMedia?
This material is disgraceful.

good one man. Kon3v needs a wake up call from these fetid delusions. Also there's the <span style="color:#c0c0c0">Pioneer foundation as well in the loop....the way they fund is well dodgy by accounts, i think they help american renaissance too. "hi, i'm a cryptonazi and interested in writing a book about genetics which will definitely declare africans as inferior.." "great,here an undeclared amount of cash to do whatever you wish with it..give it to the AB if you like..." I'm contemptuous of these glass house bigots and their pseudo science.any validity found to Rushton's research is entirely of a llinear paranoic bias or and cortical neuron levels are not a blackwhite issue and certainly not an overriding racial genetic imperative, there is a huge diversity and averaging in the case of this book appears to have been an exercise in fabricating the meaning of raw data.giving a completely misleading rep.'supported' with completely subjective bile. its a fascist nonsense in its totality as a theory. What the fuck is intelligence anyway for such panacea statements. dangerous nobodies suppling the so called reasoning behind neo-nazi philosophies of hate.
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01-26-2008, 01:19 AM,
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Quote:There is no time for debate in the era of the police state

fuck that though. we have got to be able to make clear the fogs of sick propaganda, debate is part of the process here now
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01-26-2008, 01:56 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-26-2008, 01:57 AM by Hei Hu Quan.)
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Nicely executed Nik Mark 2 and special big-ups to SiLVa for deftly exposing the rectal foundation these unsubstantiated "facts" and specious "figures" were shit from. I was going after that bastard's background next, much thanks for tearing the sheets off of that scumbag.

Cheers.
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01-26-2008, 05:47 AM,
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Quote:
Quote:tracing links from your original post stats., I sifted out this piece:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/divers.htm

This piece I believe sums up your core argument against pluralism.

For all it's rhetoric and appled stats. this article has a very clear agenda. I quote:

it concludes:

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">"A crusade in support of multinational, multicultural tolerance abroad really seeks to validate it at home. But attempting to validate a myth is futile. Before we export our myth, we had best recognize that we have not yet found a "reasonable" solution here, and that perhaps such a solution cannot be found."
</span>
<span style="color:#ff6600">
ergo don't espect a resonable solution vis a vi Israel and Palestine

You've just got read between the lines a bit to see a crypto zionist narrative in the piece. It's ironic to me that you're sourcing your data from a Darwinist (:rolleyes:) site not updated since 2001 that cites this article as a primary
underpinning to the idea of there being irreconsilable differences between racial groups in a pluralist society.

IMHO I can totally tear this article to shreds in its contentions but it's not completely on topic
Mm-hmm... The data about Average racial differences is from dr. Rusthon's book Race, Evolution and Behavior, 1995, available at amazon.com. The table found at the third edition (2000) that I have is a bit different and it has more differences listed.

Yes, and I sourced it to his site I believe from where I linked to the above quoted piece.of zionist babble
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01-26-2008, 09:48 AM,
#37
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Quote:Nicely executed Nik Mark 2 and special big-ups to SiLVa for deftly exposing the rectal foundation these unsubstantiated "facts" and specious "figures" were shit from. I was going after that bastard's background next, much thanks for tearing the sheets off of that scumbag.

Cheers.

No doubt. I have almost no patience for that kind of fact twisting and disinformative reasoning. Or any kind of divisive nonsense for that matter. One of the main factors that cause the powers that be to have such control over most everything...is through division.

In this decisive hour of our national history, union means life and division means death.
-Bảo Đại
"Listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it in your own research"
~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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01-26-2008, 11:29 AM, (This post was last modified: 04-17-2012, 09:41 PM by proteinspill.)
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01-27-2008, 03:30 AM,
#39
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If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at Lord Xenu. He brought us all here from Caucasoidious
and Negrotron,from Asiaticus Major and from Hispaniola Prime, and mixed us together.


Seriously though, every so called race has evil members. And every so called race has wonderous geniuses too. Nobody cares what race the fireman is when he is saving your child from the flames or cutting your wife out of an overturned car.
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01-27-2008, 03:47 AM,
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Quote:
Quote:edit] and the validity or otherwise of his research aside, Rushton is still an out and out racist prick IMO
:laugh: No...


yesB)
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01-27-2008, 03:50 AM,
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01-27-2008, 03:53 AM,
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFfYNfnlflg
Quote:If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at Lord Xenu. He brought us all here from Caucasoidious
and Negrotron,from Asiaticus Major and from Hispaniola Prime, and mixed us together.


Seriously though, every so called race has evil members. And every so called race has wonderous geniuses too. Nobody cares what race the fireman is when he is saving your child from the flames or cutting your wife out of an overturned car.

I don't think Kon3v would be too happy about having a black surgeon though should he need one, if we're talking about life saving incidents and the irrespectiveness' of race.
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01-31-2008, 02:40 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-31-2008, 02:44 PM by rsol.)
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ouch. noone likes kon3v. first off lets stop banding words around like facsist and nazi. He could be labeled a rascist i suppose. but the fascist and nazi thing? no. I can see how some of you can get a bit warmed up over this.

Can everyone chill? debate on the facts and conclusions, not the man. Its just his opinions. I can agree with some but only some of his points and will say this.

To put people in a type is all very well. Yes there are some differences in averages but averages are mearly a calculation of individuals. Take a cold day in summer can bring the weeks tempretures down.

In alot of cases, different groups are treated differently and can manifest problems due to the label. Call a kid a criminal and he may end up that way. can you see where im leading here? Im not a big fan of typing people but we all do it. As far as this man saying what he saying? Let him say it and if you think he is ignorant dont ignore him, educate.....
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01-31-2008, 03:46 PM,
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Quote:ouch. noone likes kon3v. first off lets stop banding words around like facsist and nazi. He could be labeled a rascist i suppose. but the fascist and nazi thing? no. I can see how some of you can get a bit warmed up over this.

Can everyone chill? debate on the facts and conclusions, not the man. Its just his opinions. I can agree with some but only some of his points and will say this.

To put people in a type is all very well. Yes there are some differences in averages but averages are mearly a calculation of individuals. Take a cold day in summer can bring the weeks tempretures down.

In alot of cases, different groups are treated differently and can manifest problems due to the label. Call a kid a criminal and he may end up that way. can you see where im leading here? Im not a big fan of typing people but we all do it. As far as this man saying what he saying? Let him say it and if you think he is ignorant dont ignore him, educate.....

personally, I dont thibnk i have used any labels other than perhaps "racist" toward Kon3v. And otherwise only countered his "argument" with contrary academic research and opinion. you fell foul of your own "labelling" plea rsol
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02-27-2008, 02:44 AM,
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Yes there are differences but I think the differences in things like IQ, tendency towards violence, crime, etc are a result of geography, socioeconomics and politics more than anything else. Maybe there are genetic differences between whites, blacks and asians, but as far as I know, those differences are very small and could be caused by a whole host of different factors.

Surely, a more productive line of discussion would be to tackle the environmental factors that have lead to the relatively weak contributions of blacks in sciences and math.
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