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Race Differences
01-25-2008, 11:32 AM,
#16
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Quote:This topic's irredeemable shit. Posting racist, IllumiNazi eugenics crap like this just earned you your first warning.
Ok... But I dont think this is shit in any way. I've just cited politically incorrect scientific research. Races are different, and there indeed are significant racial differences. That's my point in this thread.
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01-25-2008, 11:36 AM,
#17
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Quote:
Quote:This topic's irredeemable shit. Posting racist, IllumiNazi eugenics crap like this just earned you your first warning.

Why is is okay to suggest blacks have bigger dicks than whites but not okay to suggest that blacks and whites evolved differently intellectually?

Do ANY OF YOU have ANY EVIDENCE whatsoever that proves all races evolved the same intellectually? No, I didn't think so.

I'd rather read konev's post suggesting we evolved differently than read some politically correct (and BASELESS) bullshit saying we didn't.
Thank you. Good points you had. In this Finnish science forum http://www.tiede.fi there would have been lot more positive responses like yours, if I had posted these facts there.

I think these issues have to be allowed to discuss the way we discuss any other topic.
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01-25-2008, 11:46 AM,
#18
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Quote:Hey Mike it's your forum if you want to foster this crap which will only attract worse that's your prerogative. You're way off if you think that's what where I'm coming from on this with your comments. This is plain old generic IllumiNazi Eugenic pseudo-science that anyone can read in the Skinhead Digest. For fuck's sake I thought ConCen was above this racialist divisive shit. You don't think garbage like this is offensive and disrespectful to others in the membership?

You tell me... how does this help unify the masses to fight these bastards? This crap plays right into their hands and aids them in kicking our ass through divide and conquer and the fomentation of petty hatred.
There are many other topics on this forum that are offensive against white Europeans, Christians, Zionists, Americans and Jews for example. We can be "offensive" against them but not against other peoples and races (meaning that we are critical of them and bring forth some unpleasant facts that might offend someone).

I already dealt with this "pseudo-science" accusation, but I might add one thing: creationism. Isnt creationism pseudo-science? "World is 6,000 years old, dinosaur and man lived at the same time, Bible is 100% scientifically true". Woudnt this be offensive to atheists and real scientists, especially when creationists campaigned their pseudo science to be taught in some states in the US? The point I'm making with this is that this creationism is a real pseudo science and it is being taught in some American schools. It has nothing to do with race differences.

Race differences are simply scientifically researched facts (IQ tests, other scientific tests and studies, historical record, statistic figures, and observations). IQ tests for example were conducted to thousands of people [fairly] by several scientists. And crime statistics for example are very reliable data. There is nothing pseudo science in race differences. I think they are pretty much scientific facts, and they are important and should not be censored.
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01-25-2008, 11:53 AM,
#19
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One important fact is definetely worth mentioning.

The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews is 110 (107-115).

I might not have too often too much positive things to say about Jews, but I say this: They are extremely intelligent people (at least the Ashkenazi Jews).

And this fact can be seen for example in the universities in the USA, where there are very many Jewish professors. As well as in the media, politics and finance. And Jews are also overwhelmingly presented in the heads of corporations. They definetely have not managed to get this far without intelligence.

And one other positive fact that comes to mind is that: They are extremely well organised. They probably have more interest groups of their own than any other people/religion/race.
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01-25-2008, 02:13 PM,
#20
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Well, there are differences. Of course they are. For one, they are in color and body structure. Asians cope with alcohol not so good as we do, and so on. Maybe there's even difference in AVERAGE IQ , but average is nothing(it's 12 am average time now, help yourself with that), individual is the one that counts.
It's scientific fact, that neural connections and IQ can be increased and it is not something you are born with. Intelligence is earned, and most brain development is in child-phase. If one learned to read and had maths for hobby at age of 4, if he lived in family which encouraged such learning, he would probably gain an above-average IQ and brain connections no matter with what brain capacity he was born with.
The lower AVERAGE IQ (if it exists) can be atributed to lower culture and desire for knowledge, which probably has roots in poverty and opression.
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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01-25-2008, 03:57 PM,
#21
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[quote name='Kon3v' date='Jan 25 2008, 10:24 AM' post='125298']
[quote name='MasterMG' post='125169' date='Jan 25 2008, 01:00 AM']
Especially nowdays when there is this worldwide drive towards enforced multiculturalism and globalism. I think these are crucial facts that affect our future.
[/quote]

Kon3v,no one is forcing you to fornicate with a different race.:love:
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01-25-2008, 04:09 PM,
#22
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[quote name='hammer' date='Jan 25 2008, 04:57 PM' post='125339']
[quote name='Kon3v' date='Jan 25 2008, 10:24 AM' post='125298']
[quote name='MasterMG' post='125169' date='Jan 25 2008, 01:00 AM']
Especially nowdays when there is this worldwide drive towards enforced multiculturalism and globalism. I think these are crucial facts that affect our future.
[/quote]

Kon3v,no one is forcing you to fornicate with a different race.:love:
[/quote]

:grin: :biggrin: :laugh: I wasnt implying that. I meant that when looking at these crime statistics for example, it suggests that when America is becoming majority non-white, the crime for example will increase very much.
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01-25-2008, 04:15 PM,
#23
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Quote:Well, there are differences. Of course they are. For one, they are in color and body structure. Asians cope with alcohol not so good as we do, and so on. Maybe there's even difference in AVERAGE IQ , but average is nothing(it's 12 am average time now, help yourself with that), individual is the one that counts.
It's scientific fact, that neural connections and IQ can be increased and it is not something you are born with. Intelligence is earned, and most brain development is in child-phase. If one learned to read and had maths for hobby at age of 4, if he lived in family which encouraged such learning, he would probably gain an above-average IQ and brain connections no matter with what brain capacity he was born with.
The lower AVERAGE IQ (if it exists) can be atributed to lower culture and desire for knowledge, which probably has roots in poverty and opression.
Thank you, there indeed are differences. Good points, but I disagree on that "average is nothing". It's the other way round, average does matter, since it provides an understanding of populations and masses of different peoples. Lower average IQ (that does exist, and in rural Africa it seems to be about 70) , can be atributed to lower culture, poverty and oppression, at least to some degree.
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01-25-2008, 04:17 PM,
#24
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Quote:edit] and the validity or otherwise of his research aside, Rushton is still an out and out racist prick IMO
:laugh: No...
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01-25-2008, 04:25 PM,
#25
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Quote:tracing links from your original post stats., I sifted out this piece:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/foreign/divers.htm

This piece I believe sums up your core argument against pluralism.

For all it's rhetoric and appled stats. this article has a very clear agenda. I quote:

it concludes:

<span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">"A crusade in support of multinational, multicultural tolerance abroad really seeks to validate it at home. But attempting to validate a myth is futile. Before we export our myth, we had best recognize that we have not yet found a "reasonable" solution here, and that perhaps such a solution cannot be found."
</span>
<span style="color:#ff6600">
ergo don't espect a resonable solution vis a vi Israel and Palestine

You've just got read between the lines a bit to see a crypto zionist narrative in the piece. It's ironic to me that you're sourcing your data from a Darwinist (:rolleyes:) site not updated since 2001 that cites this article as a primary
underpinning to the idea of there being irreconsilable differences between racial groups in a pluralist society.

IMHO I can totally tear this article to shreds in its contentions but it's not completely on topic
Mm-hmm... The data about Average racial differences is from dr. Rusthon's book Race, Evolution and Behavior, 1995, available at amazon.com. The table found at the third edition (2000) that I have is a bit different and it has more differences listed.
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01-25-2008, 04:45 PM,
#26
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Rushton's (flawed) theory revolves around r/K selection. That, I believe is the battleground for this debate.
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01-25-2008, 10:15 PM, (This post was last modified: 01-25-2008, 10:19 PM by Hei Hu Quan.)
#27
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Kon3v, you must be naive to think that no one sees right through the denigrative implications inherent throughout your post. You try to foist it off as simple dialogue that examines the differences in the races of humanity which would be interesting if kept academic and equitable with viable sources. However it patently transparent from your concentration on dubiously skewed sources that your goal is to use this a s a platform to foist supremacist ideology. Second to that is that I actually live in the U.S. and can speak to the veracity of these claims with far more relevance and accuracy than you who live in the Netherlands. How much contact do you even have with those of other races in your own personal experience? My estimation is very bloody little.

So you take bullshit and very subjective stats that I've literally read in race hatred agit-prop publications to make a case. And to what fucking ends? You think a fellow ConCen member who actively contributes and supports ConCen wants to read a pathetically repugnant and denigrating post that says they and their race are worthless criminals predisposed to murder and destruction? Cor, you are insipid and if you actually buy into this shite it reveals much about YOUR psychological make-up. As people who bray this rubbish are often void or wanting in personal self-esteem and self-worth which they must derive from casting aspersions through synthetic supremacy over those they deem to be less than themselves. So if anything, this racial fomentation actually casts a beacon onto you and how you are psychologically wanting and deficient in your own self-worth.

Let's examine some of your bankrupt and spurious claims which you foist off as legitimate. First off, millions of books are written by authors with personal agendas and a good number even bankrolled by intelligence agencies as part of Operation Mockingbird. So just as you can quote a racist fool with a supremacist agenda someone can come along with another book as reference and produce information to the contrary. Do you not think that other races like the Japanese produce information they compile that defiles and denigrates other Asian races to assert their superiority over them? I unlike you, know the source of materials such as these and the forces behind their propagation, and it is Eugenics plain and simple. Eugenics was founded and developed in the U.S. and the U.K. and then transplanted to Nazi Germany for field-testing and implementation trials. Because the U.S. were instrumental in carrying out these policies themselves that were directly bankrolled by Zionist international banking interests. What follows after the racial denigration are policies of containment and genocide without exception.

Why does this work so well? Because people in general are wanting, weak and lazy, and rather than take personal responsibility for their own actions, they instead seek to blame others by exacerbating petty differences in race, religion and culture to advance their own interests.

So let's take a look at what you are braying on about. I will expose the most glaring examples.

1) Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
A: Too stupid to even dignify in the face of countless evidence to the contrary.

2) The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.
A: No credible law enforcement agency who actually measures crime stats would ever assert anything this stupid and the author has clearly pulled this out of his ass.

3) Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
A: In what categories? Drugs? How many black pilots are bringing in literal kilo tons of Cocaine and Heroin into the U.S.? Who runs, controls and traffics the Methamphetamine markets? How about the control and distribution of Ecstasy and Ketamine? How about the fact that it's Caucasians that make up the over 95% of all spree and serial killers?

4) Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
A: So-called majority of the population yet only 10% incorporate the ranks of organized crime (Italian, Jewish, Russian), the Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis, the Order, the Aryan Brotherhood and skinheads. That's a total arbitrary figure pulled directly from of a racist's fantasy. Hate to tell you this but police and armed forces are also considered gangs by definition as well.

5) Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
A: Absolute total fact, and the U.S. leads the world in inmate populations. Why? Well if you examine the time period you list it exactly coincides with the U.S. government's "War on Drugs". You know, the war where they use the CIA and DEA to bring in Cocaine and strategically distribute it through their gang assets exclusively to Latino and African-American communities. Who then take the bait and get caught up in the control grid that punishes the distribution of Crack with mandatory and excessive penalties over those who are caught with Cocaine. Ever hear of the term Problem, Reaction, Solution?

6) Blacks have not been prominent in science nor in inventions.
A: Only an idiot who has done zero research would ever regurgitate a pathetic fallacy such as this. Google African-American inventions and allow me the pleasure of seeing how stupid the facts reveal you to be.

The whole crux of your contention from this racist (examine the definition) Jared Taylor is that African-Americans and Latinos make no contributions to society other than sports and they are predisposed to crime. A similar position I've heard articulated on black & withe news footage I've seen in German when presenting Aryan mythology. People who believe in this NEED to because it's ALL they've got in this world. Just a sucking, massive deficit of self-worth, esteem and self-confidence. That's why well-adjusted, self-reliant achievers with self-esteem don't use these shit like this to cower behind, blame or use as a ladder to stand tall. Individuals suck because THEY personally suck, not because of other races and people who haven't yet had the pleasure of experiencing just how bad they suck. Got a raw deal in life? Fuck you, rise above it and stop blaming others for your personal misery, and that's exactly what that is. Want to talk about gangs? The very nature of the material you've presented seeks to consolidate those who buy into this bankrupt ideology into a bloody gang waving a pathetic rag-on-a-stick of self-assumed white supremacy. Nothing is weaker than that and it makes you look fucking pathetic.

It's 2008 friend, not 1778 and if you truly subscribe to this philosophy then the IllumiNazis are taking applications for willing stooges and lackeys stupid enough to trade their collective power and humanity in exchange for material scraps and the self-deceit that they are a member of their club. You have a target on you just as we all do and are just as disposable to them. The very same architects who engineered and sold us their self-serving concepts of race and religion.

The hand you've been dealt is to progressively educate and unite the masses of your fellow humanity towards the defense of freedom and justice for all. Otherwise you can join a race-gang that serves the enemy or wall yourself in a bunker and wait on the IllumiNazi final-solution death row, masturbating to Die Sturm-Zeitung.
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01-26-2008, 12:22 AM,
#28
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To the point and eloquently put as usual Hei!
“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after
equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ” -Nikola Tesla

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." -Jimi Hendrix
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01-26-2008, 12:22 AM,
#29
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Kon3v your pathetic

Fascist asshole

Theres no debate for eugenic pushing nazis,oyur jsut going to keep on pushing an angenda that has not looked at why races IQs are lower
Poverty? The war on drugs? Aids being man made? Doesnt matter its all race to you.

There is no time for debate in the era of the police state
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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01-26-2008, 12:28 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-26-2008, 12:29 AM by SiLVa.)
#30
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Ive seen the likes of this before...nothing but hateful bullshit candy-coated for consumption if you ask me.
There is only one Race. The Human Race.
Yeah, sure there are differences. Evolutionary adaptations account for most. Has nothing to do with one race better than another or smarter than another. IQ isnt genetic to the extent that it affects a whole ethnicity, thats just ridiculous.
When looking into the author of that book
The Color of Crime...very revealing...
Just check the source for that book...
SourceWatch:
New Century Foundation, founded November 1990 and based in Oakton, Virginia, is a "self-styled think tank that publishes a monthly journal and a Web site called American Renaissance. Also hosts biannual conferences. The Foundation promotes pseudoscientific and questionably researched and argued studies to validate the superiority of whites."[1]

The Foundation is headed by Samuel Jared Taylor, "author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. ... But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of 'the new white racism' by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book The End of Racism reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book."[2]

"Presenters at conferences have included Samuel Francis and Gordon Lee Baum of the Council of Conservative Citizens. Attendees have included Don Black, operator of the white supremacist Web site Stormfront, and National Alliance leader Kevin Alfred Strom. Taylor has been a board member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, and is on the advisory board and has contributed to the racist journal Occidental Quarterly."[3]

Well, well, looky what we have here...connections to white supremacist Don Black and company, CofCC another white racist group...
Wasnt Don Black that guy that Ron Pauls Campaign was smeared with by the MainStreamMedia?
This material is disgraceful.
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~William Cooper

DTTNWO!
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