Poll: How safe do you think wireless technologies are?
Perfectly safe, since WHO and government assure us they are harmless.
I think they are safe, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I think they are safe if not used too much.
They cause harm and I try to avoid them whenever possible.
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How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
01-31-2008, 05:30 PM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
Quote:Is Wi-Fi Bad for Your Health?
By Paul Swider

With the convenience and growing acceptance of Wi-Fi, one can easily forget about the days of stringing cables and being tied to a workstation. But what if Wi-Fi itself were making you forget?

According to a lawsuit filed in a suburb of Chicago, continued exposure to 802.11 signals might be causing damage that could result in memory loss or other neurological harm, at least in relation to children. The suit, filed against the Oak Park school district by some concerned parents, may well be the first ever to contend Wi-Fi could be a physical danger.

"It's clear to us that there are a lot of experts who say there are potential risks," said Ron Baiman, a parent of two of the student plaintiffs and part of Safe Technology for Oak Park (STOP), the citizens group behind the lawsuit. "When the scientific community is so hotly divided, why should [the school] jump in?"

Not everyone agrees there is a hot debate on the issue. Baiman, whose group is seeking class-action status on behalf of the roughly 5,000 students in Oak Park Elementary School District 97, refers to hundreds of citations in the scientific literature that suggest physical or neurological damage from exposure to microwaves and other radio emissions. Others in the community suggest there is no pertinent research and negligible risk.

Baiman references a study at the University of Washington in which rats lost long-term memory after exposure to radiation and to another study in Sweden that appeared to show brain damage in "teenage" rats still growing and developing. Critics of the lawsuit argue that these studies and other research the lawsuit leans on have to do with technologies other than Wi-Fi and were performed under somewhat suspect circumstances.

"There is no compelling body of data," said Dr. David McCormick, a toxicologist at the IIT Research Institute in Chicago and a resident of Oak Park. "Anybody can speculate about anything they want but there is no body of scientific evidence to support them.

"The lawsuit has no merit to it."

The suit, filed Sept. 26, does not contend the school system's wireless local area network (WLAN) has done damage and seeks no cash awards, Baiman said. Filing suit was the culmination of a process that lasted many months, during which Baiman's and two other families sought to have the schools remove their Wi-Fi or at least adopt a formal policy recognizing conflicting opinions and giving parents the option to have their kids stay away from the system. After two different school boards refused the parents' request, Baiman and the others filed suit. A hearing is scheduled in February.

"We're not trying to burden the schools with a lawsuit," Baiman said. "We just want them to let the parents decide."

School district representatives say parents have the option to keep their kids away from the WLAN but that none but Baiman's group has shown any interest in doing so. The school district in the upscale community sent a notice this fall to all parents indicating that the schools use Wi-Fi and soliciting questions but received only one call from a parent seeking clarification.

The district has had a WLAN in use in several schools since 1995, said Steve Chowanski, the director of information services. In 1999, they upgraded to a more robust system and broadened the reach of the network. Still, the network is not pervasive, Chowanski said, and is mainly wheeled into and switched on in most classrooms on an as-needed basis. Schools' media centers have an always-on network. Only in 2001 when STOP raised the issue did any parents question the use of Wi-Fi.

Gail Crantz, the school district's community relations liaison, says Oak Park is a very progressive community full of activist people. She also said Wi-Fi is prevalent in town, and is used in many businesses, municipal facilities and even hospitals. She said the widespread use of the technology and the research the schools have done should be enough to satisfy concerned parents. The schools continue to monitor the network and students' use of it as a precaution even though experts contend there is no need for undue concern.

"We can't say there is no effect because it really hasn't been studied on humans," said Dr. Faith Davis, an epidemiologist at the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois at Chicago. "We can say that, based on what we know, there is no reason for alarm."

Davis, also an Oak Park resident whose own son has been in the school system longer that the WLAN has been in operation, said there are no human studies related to 802.11 and that those related to cell phones or similar devices cannot readily indicate a danger from Wi-Fi. She said cell-phone studies are far from conclusive and that animal studies are difficult to apply accurately to human conditions.

"There's a tremendous amount of noise in the biological system," said Davis, who, like McCormick, had publicly addressed the school board on the Wi-Fi issue. "Just because you see a cellular change in an animal or in a petri dish, you can't conclude that you will see one in humans."

Industry representatives point out that whatever research hints at danger from cell phones or other devices cannot apply to Wi-Fi because the technologies are not identical. Not only is Wi-Fi a "bursting" technology, said Dennis Eaton, the chairman of the Wi-Fi Alliance, but it operates at much lower power [levels?] than cell phones. Furthermore, the distance from the transmitter reduces geometrically the amount of radiation that reaches the user: cell phones are often right up against heads while Wi-Fi access points are often many feet or yards away.

"I guess it's natural that people are concerned about radio frequency emissions," Eaton said. "We can certainly understand that. But you don't see warnings about pacemakers on Wi-Fi equipment the way you did on microwave ovens."

Eaton noted that this is the first such lawsuit the industry is aware of. He said there's been no concern among manufacturers or their insurers that any liability could exist from use of their products. He said government certification ought to be enough to convince people that the technology is safe. But that is not enough reassurance for everyone.

"When the school board says, 'Trust us,' I'm reluctant," said Terry Buehler, the attorney filing the lawsuit and also a parent of an Oak Park student, though not a plaintiff. Baiman likewise indicates such traditional sources of security are not always reliable.

"Most of the research there is funded by the industry," he said, "and whenever anyone turns up anything negative, they get fired or blocked so the industry can claim the research cannot be replicated."

Baiman said he doesn't consider the situation as conspiratorial as alleged in tobacco lawsuits but he is curious why there is little media attention paid to what questions do arise from such technology.

"There are a lot of vested interests," he said. "You always wonder."

Baiman said the lawsuit is an effort to question and be cautious because children are so vulnerable. Asking for a moratorium on Wi-Fi usage is a means to avoid a risk that may not appear for decades if no one steps up now.

"People say, 'Everyone's doing it so it must be safe,'" he said. "I don't find that convincing."

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02-01-2008, 02:54 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-01-2008, 02:54 AM by B4Time.)
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
I only use someone else's wifi lol only every ounce in a while if I need to
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02-01-2008, 06:37 PM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
I'm not a scientist at all, but there are some newer technologies I recommend to avoid or treat with care:

mobile phones
wireless home phones
wireless LAN
microwave ovens
CRT televisions and computer monitors
all electrical and mechanical devices that oscillate.

I would go even further and recommend not to use fridges, because the cooling engine transmits the 50 or 60 Hz frequency to the food . . . but in the end everyone must decide for oneself what is good and what technology should be used or not. There is always the danger of making oneself crazy with exaggerated thinking about bad things, which can make you more sick than anything else. And there is also something we can do when we are full exposed to all the modern fetish things. Let's say, we sit in a shiny fast food restaurant, everybody is carrying and heavily using their mobiles and laptops, a terrible kind of music through the loudspeakers, and we suddenly become aware of this immense wave salad, how tons of information is transmitted through the room and entire space, in all directions, in modulated frequencies where some of them may interact with molecules of the food we are eating, and interfere with the encymatic processes in our bodies. In such situations, we always can switch to a state of awareness (we are aware of the situation) and intentionally not go into resonance with these strange, unnatural vibrations. I don't give a guarantee on that, but it's at least something we can do, better than nothing.

The only problem I see is that many people (in poor countries, but also in a quite high number in rich countries) don't even know how a device works. On what physical principles it works, how it can be fixed if broken, etc. The technological progress is faster than the perception and integration of that technology.
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02-07-2008, 04:12 AM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
Wireless routers tend to be safer than mobile phones due the lower output. Phones are of course also making direct contact with your head, where the router is not. But no means does it mean it's completely safe.

I also like the idea of flat panel LCD's rather than CRT monitors. Not only are the LCD's safer but they use considerably less power and are easier on the eyes.

For phones, I would just use a plain old fashioned corded phone. They work when the power goes off as well, where wireless phones go dead because there is no power for the base unit.

Microwaves certainly are not good for your food, as it tends to nuke the nutrients, but I would just make certain it doesn't leak (what the standard is I don't know). A conventional oven the food always tastes better.
02-07-2008, 11:48 AM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
yes and no on the mobile phone safety thing there guys. WiFi is of equal danger but for a different reason.

Mobile phones are close to the ear and use higher power levels but are only that powerful when they are in use. Normally they just send out and receive a signal to and from its nearest local mast. The danger is when you use it. This can be aslong as an hour to some people and 2 minutes to others.

Wifi is a different fish here. It has a lower output but it is a constant on. This is the rub for me. When you are asleep you have Wifi on, near or next to you is suicide. The doctor is correct in assumption of relative danger on distance however alot of new routers use 2 and even 3 tranceivers. This means there are more chances of focus and synergy.
02-09-2008, 01:17 AM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
Crap, I have a WiFi router in my room.
I think wireless technology is fine if you only use it once in a while, but never consistently.
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02-11-2008, 09:22 PM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
Study revived this week ties cell phone use to sperm count

<span style="color:#CCCCCC">Matt Hamblen

February 08, 2008 (Computerworld) Reports on the Web of a three-year-old study that linked cell phone usage to men's fertility has created new interest in a follow-up study headed by the same Ohio-based researcher.

The first study was conducted in 2004 and 2005 by a team led by Dr. Ashok Agarwal of The Cleveland Clinic. It analyzed 361 men who visited an infertility clinic and found that sperm count and quality was "significantly lower" in men who used cell phones for more than fours hours a day.

Agarwal is now in the "early stages" of a follow-up study. "The second study is an in vitro study where we are testing the effect of cell phone radiation on semen specimens from normal healthy men and men with male infertility," Agarwal said in an e-mail to Computerworld.

"This study is very different from the first study as the first one was an observational study where patients were asked to fill out a simple questionnaire related to their cell phone use, and the results of that survey were correlated with the results of their semen analysis. The new pilot study is ongoing and should accrue adequate sample size in the next two weeks," Agarwal said.

Agarwal presented findings of the first study at a medical conference in October 2006, which led to a flurry of news coverage at the time. Recent publication of the findings on the Web sparked a spate of articles on the Web and on national television newscasts.

Agarwal and his associates published the results in a scientific journal, Fertility and Sterility (PDF format) and also in a shorter form in Urology News (PDF format).

The Urology News article appeared last year, but the longer version was distributed at sciencedirect.com last month, which apparently led to the recent surge in media attention, said clinic spokeswoman Lisa Bast.

"There's been a lot of attention on the story, and we've had several calls in the last couple days," said Bast.

Agarwal reportedly told Reuters in a story widely posted on the Web this week that the original study is being followed up by two studies on the topic, one with a larger group. However, Bast said there is apparently only one follow-up study under way.

The press first paid attention to the topic after Agarwal presented the results in October 2006 to a medical conference, she added. But the revived attention is probably because of the publication of the full data, she said.

Responses to the news articles on the Web blasted the research for surfacing again when it concerns a relatively small research sample.

"Wasn't that the same study from a while ago that was written about in the press in 2006?" asked Joe Farren, a spokesman for the CTIA-the Wireless Association. "You can't draw any conclusions from that."

Farren said CTIA and its wireless carrier members have been careful to track studies regarding any impact from wireless usage on the human body. "We support good science and always have," Farren said. "It's important to look at studies that are peer-reviewed and published in leading journals and to listen to the experts."

Farren said CTIA has found that many studies show that "there is no association between health risks and wireless usage." That goes for the impact of wireless usage on the brain or any part of the body, he added. Federal regulators limit the electromagnetic frequency emissions from phones, and manufacturers' EMF emissions are well below those limits, he said.

Farren pointed to a study out of Japan released this week that discounts previous links between cell phone use and cancer.

And he noted that the American Cancer Society has said that cell phone use and cancer is one of the "Top 10 Cancer Myths."

However, the National Cancer Institute has laid out a summary of research into the subject, and notes on its Web site that "overall, research has not consistently demonstrated a link between cellular telephone use and cancer or any other adverse health effect."

As for the impact of cell phone usage on sperm quality, Farren said CTIA is awaiting the results of further study.

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02-22-2008, 02:54 PM,
How safe are wireless technologies (Wifi, mobile phones)
I think mobile phone radiation far worse than wireless router. I tr to keep phonecalls down to 5mins only.
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The wi fi is invisible and doesnt seem bad. Or is it? Is this where my headaches are coming from?

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