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Women rights in Islam
02-13-2008, 04:53 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-13-2008, 04:54 AM by mastermg.)
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Women rights in Islam
I noticed that some people and the media think that women do not have rights in Islam, which is not true. I also wanted to add that while women wear headscarves, men lower their gaze.


Dress in Islam

“I feel more intimidated by the flaunting of semi naked bodies in soft porn outfits, than I do a fully covered Muslim woman.”
[“Piffle”]

“The very same headscarf revered as a sign of ‘holiness’ when worn by Catholic Nuns, is reviled as a sign of ‘oppression’ when worn by Muslim women.”
[Sherif Abdel Azim]

Western politicians and media criticize Islam as anti-women.

They fear the growing trend amongst young, educated women all over the world to embrace Islam to reclaim their rights and dignity.

Just about everything that feminists in the West strived for in the ‘70s was already available to Muslim women 1400 years ago.

Women enjoy more protection and respect within Islam compared to any other faith.

The rights of a Muslim woman include the right to have her survival and sexual needs met by her husband, a marriage contract, divorce, refuse a marriage proposal and maintain her name when entering marriage.

She also has the right to inheritance, own and run her own business, exclusive possession of her assets and dispose them in ways that she considers appropriate.

In the spiritual realm, women are equal to men as the only distinction amongst the Believers is the level of their piety.

The status accorded to women in Islam is best exemplified in the reply of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when asked about Paradise: “It is at the feet of the mother.” [Bukhari]

Western politicians and media portray Islam as anti-women’s rights by highlighting cultural and political practices in Muslim lands that have nothing to do with Islam.

Islam is not what some Muslims do but what all Muslims are supposed to do!

What Hitler, raised in a Christian family, did was not what Jesus (pbuh) preached!

Muslims regard the West’s attacks on Islam as nothing but hypocrisy as reflected in their backing of groups that suppress human rights in Muslim lands.

The hegemonic control of the oil and natural gas reserves in Muslim lands is the primary goal of the Western powers.

“On entering Baghdad on April 9, 2003, US forces stood by as looters burned and ransacked government ministries – except the oil ministry which they guarded diligently.”
[The Star, January 11 2007]

Muslims view the attacks against Islam as ways to divide and weaken the Muslims to further the West’s hegemonic ambitions.

Every aspect of Islam is now under a magnifying glass - to search for subjects to distort and misrepresent Islam as backward and violent.

They do not spare even the hijab, the dress of the Muslim women. The highlight it as ‘proof’ of women’s servitude in Islam.

The effects have been the reverse. Islam is now the fastest-growing religion. More women than men are embracing Islam in the West and other places!

More women are wearing the hijab. Many view their hijab as a statement of their Muslim identity and liberation from western lifestyles, that enslaves women to the fashion and cosmetics industries.

The Muslim woman seeks spiritual beauty. Her hijab is an external expression of her inner commitment to lead a way of life that pleases Allah The Most Merciful.

Rather than making rules on dress styles, Islam teaches both men and women how to be modest and humble in their dressing.

The dress of the Muslims must be loose enough to hide the shape of the body.

The dress must not be transparent, similar to dress identified with the dress of the disbelievers, and resemble the dresses of, or seek to attract, their opposite gender.

Wearing expensive apparel to show-off one’s status and affluence is not the way of Islam.

The Noble Qur’an calls on the descendants of Adam to wear their “beautiful apparel at every time and place of prayer.” [7:31]

Islam does not require a person to dress totally in black, blue or green. Only saffron, the colour associated with polytheists, is prohibited as dress colour for Muslims.

The dress of Muslims must cover their awrah or ‘parts that elicit desire’. Most hijab-wearing women do not cover their face and hands.

A small though highly visible minority wear a face veil (niqab). They have been harassed and discriminated in the ‘liberal’ West.

The ‘defenders’ of individual freedom expose their hypocrisy by their calls to ban in public places the personal choice of a tiny segment of the population.

Cultural practices and personal choices are consistently highlighted to portray Islam as a backward religion that needs modernization.

Their real aim of the secularists is to destroy the rise of Islam as a complete way of life and reduce it to ‘a private matter’.

The Bible requires women “to cover their head.” [1 Corinthians 11:3-13].

Modern interpretations have downplayed the significance of these verses in the Bible.

There is nothing wrong in being modern, that is if one is a user of mobile phones. You can buy a more modern mobile every few months.

Islam is not a mobile! Islam is God’s final revelation to humankind. The true Believers obey the commands of Allah The Most Merciful. They seek to understand the wisdom behind the guidance found in The Noble Qur’an.

Islam redirects humankind from the false worship of created things to the true worship of The Lord of all created things.

The critics of women’s rights in Islam expose their hypocrisy by their silence towards the multi billion dollar porn industry ($57 billion in 2006 in USA) that treats women like filth.

It is easy to understand why women are leaving the Western-secular culture and embracing Islam that restores their dignity.


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02-13-2008, 05:08 AM,
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Women rights in Islam
Quote:Women enjoy more protection and respect within Islam compared to any other faith.

okay, then what is your rationalization for things like the fact that women get half of what men receive in heritage ?
Your answer will necessarily include/imply women's inferiority.
&To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so...& - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

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02-13-2008, 05:39 AM,
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Women rights in Islam
But is that what Islam teaches? It doesn't.
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02-13-2008, 07:26 PM,
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Women rights in Islam
Quote:But is that what Islam teaches? It doesn't.

Quran 4:11

"[11] Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females..."
&To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so...& - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

&In the Middle Ages, they took the name of serfs; nowadays, they are called wage earners.& Mikhail Bakunin
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02-13-2008, 07:53 PM,
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Women rights in Islam
Female circumsicion? (sp?)

I'm not out to pin Islam to the wall, but can you evidence this with Sura's?
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02-13-2008, 10:56 PM,
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Women rights in Islam
Quote:Female circumsicion? (sp?)

I'm not out to pin Islam to the wall, but can you evidence this with Sura's?

It's not sanctioned by islam,there is no mention in the quran but there are a few hadiths that just talk about the practice at the time, many scholars say they are weak (doubtful) see wikipedia, only a few extremist sects consider it a duty based only on those hadiths and the fact that it's not explicitly forbidden, however exept a small minority, all muslims condemn this.
&To be GOVERNED is to be kept in sight, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right, nor the wisdom, nor the virtue to do so...& - Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

&In the Middle Ages, they took the name of serfs; nowadays, they are called wage earners.& Mikhail Bakunin
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02-14-2008, 12:11 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2008, 12:12 AM by triplesix.)
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My only criticism of the niqab is I do not believe it is appropriate for any person, man or woman, in any situation to cover their face in public. Often quoted by conspiracy researchers is this John F. Kennedy aphorism: "The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings."

While he was talking specifically about the diabolical influences in government, I think it applies equally to its colloquial microcosmic expression, or our "civil dress code" if you will. Fundamentally I think it is detrimental to a free and open society to restrict the image of our face. Good and honest people should not hide their faces in public. It is fundamentally dishonest to the rest of society.

If there is lust in men this should not cause a covering up of women, at least not the face. It is far beyond the necessity at that point and, in my opinion, it should be worrisome and a sign of trouble if a person wishes to absolve their identity from society completely. To be veiled to the world, is essentially, to remove a portion of yourself from it. I just don't agree with the practice.

How would I feel safe if I walked out onto the streets and every individual was wearing a mask? How would we ever build a sense of community? It is a paranoid defense mechanism, I think. The fear of a few bad apples causes the entire gender to hide themselves away. It's a pity.

Also, while the West may ethnocentrically view the hijab as a restriction of a woman's right to have pride in her body; the Islamic interpretation of fashion as society's forced sexual exploitation of women is equally ethnocentric.

My wife is not a slave to the fashion industry; she is as in love with it. She doesn't dress to provoke men or upstage women; she wears essentially what is an expression of her personality. It gives her pride in herself and a passion in fine clothes which I can only understand as my passion for a fine automobile. To some it is covetous and materialistic; but we're not rich, so it clearly isn't too opulent. Much like someone might consider a fancy sports car to be flashy, compensation for something; someone might look at Western fashion as needlessly sexual, and compensating in it's own way. That women dress slutty as a necessary need to attract men and compete with women. I think nothing could be farther from the truth. While it may describe part of the "fashionable women" population, I doubt it reflects on all. Back to my car analogy, while some men own fancy flashy cars to attract women and compete with other men, there are many more men who own fantastic vehicles for no one's enjoyment but their own, flashy or expensive as they may be.

Sorry to blabber on and on, but it really is a cultural dispute. There are benefits to both sides. Just thought I'd offer my Western interpretation.

Peace.
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02-14-2008, 02:13 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2008, 02:16 AM by deathstickboy.)
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Making women wear certain clothing to somehow "prevent male lust" then enfocing it with law, is an example of insanity. IE, trying to enforce "virtue", by making a mockery of it, and in fact, preventing it from truly taking place. If true genuine "virtue" if it is to be defined as "not experiencing lust for anyone other than the person you are married to" then it won't ever occur if there is not something which would other wise cause you to lust, but does not, due to your virtue. As in, seeing a nude woman and not "lusting" at the sight of her, would be true virtue by that definition. Which is impossible in places where they have the "Morality Police".

I do think people should be able to cover their faces if they want to, for whatever reason they want to though. Civil "dress codes" are pretty fucking stupid, IMO.

I'll also admit, the few times I have seen a muslim woman wearing a veil and and so on, it just makes me want to stare at her even more. (eyes are fairly beautiful in and of themselves after all :wink: )
Then smirk at the dirty look from her mate.
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02-14-2008, 02:49 AM,
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Enforcing hejab covers as a law is insanity, you are correct. It should be the choice of the women. If she wants to wear it, she can.
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02-14-2008, 02:50 AM,
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Quote:My only criticism of the niqab is I do not believe it is appropriate for any person, man or woman, in any situation to cover their face in public. Often quoted by conspiracy researchers is this John F. Kennedy aphorism: "The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings."

While he was talking specifically about the diabolical influences in government, I think it applies equally to its colloquial microcosmic expression, or our "civil dress code" if you will. Fundamentally I think it is detrimental to a free and open society to restrict the image of our face. Good and honest people should not hide their faces in public. It is fundamentally dishonest to the rest of society.

In a free society I should be able to go around anonymously dressed like Ronald McDonald if I want to.

It is fundamentally dishonest to the rest of society.

If I have nothing to hide... is that what you're trying to say? I find that odd in light of your desires for freedom 6's.

[edit] re-reading my post, especially the italicised part.... dude... are you an individual or a member of a collective?
Fuck society. Can you NAME your society? Society is a man made concept, nothing more.... just like borders are invisible lines made by man.
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02-14-2008, 02:55 AM,
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Women rights in Islam
Quote:My only criticism of the niqab is I do not believe it is appropriate for any person, man or woman, in any situation to cover their face in public. Often quoted by conspiracy researchers is this John F. Kennedy aphorism: "The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings."
I dont believe its correct to cover faces either
Quote:While he was talking specifically about the diabolical influences in government, I think it applies equally to its colloquial microcosmic expression, or our "civil dress code" if you will. Fundamentally I think it is detrimental to a free and open society to restrict the image of our face. Good and honest people should not hide their faces in public. It is fundamentally dishonest to the rest of society.
How is it dishonest? If its a free society, then its up to the person whether to show or not.
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02-14-2008, 03:37 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-14-2008, 03:41 AM by triplesix.)
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Well, I suppose the fundamental problem with freedom is it is essentially amoral. This is where I went into the concept of everyone having the "freedom" to murder other people and it degraded into accusations of me being a psychopath. But if you really think about it, saying murder is prohibited, you are intrinsically interfering with an individual's "absolute freedom" to do whatever the hell they want. There are probably quite a lot of people, and I disagree with all of them, that would say that certain killings are justified. By outlawing that, these people probably genuinely feel their rights are being violated.

Everyone has their moral limitations to freedom. In my circumstances, I feel that covering the face is hiding. I know that when I'm all stoned out of my mind, at 4:20 in the afternoon, and I have lots of shit to do all day, the easiest cure is to put on a pair of sunglasses, which I can use to hide my stonedness from the world. When people cover themselves up, in physical ways, they also sort of cover up themselves in other ways. Don't you think? Have you ever noticed the strange quality to people who insist on wearing sunglasses at all times, particularly indoors? Would you not be a little perturbed by groups of individuals out on the street all wearing ski masks?

I can't really explain it. I have no objective reason to object to people wearing masks over their face, but at the same time it makes me uncomfortable. I prefer to look a man/woman in the eyes, face to face, and challenge people to engage me on an equal level, human to human.

In all honesty, while I respect freedom greatly, I probably don't wish for as much of it as some, I don't think. Anarchists and such. In my mind there needs to be a few rules and guidelines. Fairness and equitableness under the law. It just needs to be as loose of a guideline as possible, as opposed to all the thousands of "regulations" and shite we have now.

Of course I'm sure that can be interpreted as the first step towards fascism, lol, but it's my opinion.

Peace.
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02-25-2008, 02:03 PM,
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Quote:
Quote:Women enjoy more protection and respect within Islam compared to any other faith.

okay, then what is your rationalization for things like the fact that women get half of what men receive in heritage ?
Your answer will necessarily include/imply women's inferiority.

what is your rationalization for things like the fact that men has ALL the responsability for his family? You think this could have something to do with that rule? i belive that it does. Because it works like this if you follow the rules to point. The money the man make is the familys money no ifs, and, or buts. where the money a woman makes is hers to keep for whatever she wants. Today most of us living in the west sports 2 incomes ans share the expenses and rights, which is an option aswell. As the Quran speaks to the women breadwinners (main provider in western terms) specifically, it is clear that women can be providers too and are like men told not to be arrogant about the position.

There is nothing inferior about women in this regard. in fact it would suck if it was struck by western feminism where women gets all the good parts of being women as well as all the good partsa bout being man, and men are left with whatever and are still expected to be main breadwinners and providers. I think you may have things mixed up a little.
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02-25-2008, 02:05 PM,
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Quote:Fairness and equitableness under the law

haha thats funny! where was that again?
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02-28-2008, 10:40 PM,
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Quote:
Quote:
Quote:Women enjoy more protection and respect within Islam compared to any other faith.

okay, then what is your rationalization for things like the fact that women get half of what men receive in heritage ?
Your answer will necessarily include/imply women's inferiority.

what is your rationalization for things like the fact that men has ALL the responsability for his family? You think this could have something to do with that rule? i belive that it does. Because it works like this if you follow the rules to point. The money the man make is the familys money no ifs, and, or buts. where the money a woman makes is hers to keep for whatever she wants. Today most of us living in the west sports 2 incomes ans share the expenses and rights, which is an option aswell. As the Quran speaks to the women breadwinners (main provider in western terms) specifically, it is clear that women can be providers too and are like men told not to be arrogant about the position.

ALL responsability ? who get pregnant , cook etc... ? if you want to argue pay according to family responsabilities and duty then obviously women should inherit A LOT more.
Intresting this generalization that cover EVERY possible case, like if a woman is unmarried and needs that money (maybe you would say that she should've never left her parents in the first place like some muslims say).
Why limit this sexism to inheritance ? lets make it a general rule in every aspect of life and see how enlightened society will become.

Quote:There is nothing inferior about women in this regard. in fact it would suck if it was struck by western feminism where women gets all the good parts of being women as well as all the good partsa bout being man, and men are left with whatever and are still expected to be main breadwinners and providers. I think you may have things mixed up a little.

'Main' breadwinner ? like in more physically capable to hunt ? dude this is 21st century, a woman CEO makes your fucking effort look worthless. The notion that woman needs a provider is pretty mush outdated.
Obviously demanding equality is too mush to ask from you, and no one expect from you to provide anything.
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