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whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
03-06-2008, 07:41 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-06-2008, 07:50 AM by shadow watcher.)
#1
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
i'm a Christian, and this post IS NOT to start argument, but to clear the air a little bit.

I see a lot of Christians getting scoffed at (not much different than the real world) but my point is, there is little offered in the constructive side of most criticism.

example: Christian quotes scripture.

reply: what an idiot, he thinks God gave him a book.

or they get a reply which is used to try to destroy their faith, but little is ever said about what any of the critics of Christianity on this site believe or why what they believe is superior to Christianity.

As a Christian we believe we've found truth and try to share that truth, why if you disagree with our beliefs can't you offer your beliefs up to the same scrutiny at which ours are scoffed at.

As a Christian i believe Jesus was the son of God, was crucified, and rose 3 days later, and that he died for my sins. I also believe in a divinely inspired bible, and that it reveals its divine authorship to a true student who actually reads the bible.

i believe this conspiracy is being perpetuated by powerful black magicians, and satanists who have utilized the occult through things like drugs, rock n roll, desensitization, programming, to spread their luciferian doctrine and enslave the minds of children.

it is clear their war is with Christianity, not budda, wiccans, atheists, hindus, shamans, or satanism. so if there is no validity to Jesus' divinity why have they so clearly drawn the lines and waged war with Christ.

And if you do believe in the coming antichrist, how does this belief seperate itself from Christ. How could there be an antichrist without there having been a Christ?

why do these occultists spit on the cross, and trample images of Jesus, say prayers backwards if there was no validity to it? what would be the point? Now understand i'm aware of things like the church of satan, and how they allegedly dont "really" believe in satan, but use it as a symbol.

but there are plenty of satanists that do, really believe in satan perform blood rituals, human sacrifice, and do indeed worship him, and a good portion of them make up the governing elite.

all thoughts are welcome, i just would ask that we try and keep this a civil discussion.

thanks, and in Yeshua Hamishia's name, my lord and savior Jesus Christ, God bless,
LUKE 19:

37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

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03-06-2008, 08:00 AM,
#2
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
Still figuring it out with the help of psychedelic drugs
The first step to revolution is consciousness,
So I wont stop screaming at you until this all make sense.
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03-06-2008, 08:13 AM,
#3
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
I believe that we should all free ourselves from belief in theism.


Quote:it is clear their war is with Christianity, not budda, wiccans, atheists, hindus, shamans, or satanism. so if there is no validity to Jesus' divinity why have they so clearly drawn the lines and waged war with Christ.
Shouldn't this paragraph have been started with I believe?
reality is a manufactured illusion

Self delusion is all well and good until it catches up with you . . .
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03-06-2008, 12:39 PM,
#4
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
Their war is against ANY old religion. They want them all replaced with the new age one...
I will use a theosophical saying here: "There is no religion higher than truth"
No religion is truth, yet they all containt bits of it.
One day Chuang Tzu and a friend were walking by a river. &Look at the fish
swimming about,& said Chuang Tzu, &They are really enjoying themselves.&

&You are not a fish,& replied the friend, &So you can't truly know that they
are enjoying themselves.&

&You are not me,& said Chuang Tzu. &So how do you know that I do not
know that the fish are enjoying themselves?&
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03-06-2008, 03:54 PM, (This post was last modified: 03-06-2008, 03:56 PM by stanteau.)
#5
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I've thought about this so long and so hard, I don't even fuckin know anymore. I really think the only bastion of grace is to destroy all forms of federal government, removing all non-state-interested taxes and offensive invasionary wars (unless it's between states which would probably happen).

The philosophy of freedom (sigh) leads to anarchy, pure and simple, you NEED cops and you NEED taxes for firemen and you NEED a welfare system for invalids and such if you are to create a Utopian society in which a person's mind, ideas, and personal liberty are respected and always allowed to add to the discussion.

At the same time I believe humanity MUST MOVE FORWARD! I argue all day with my friends, who say that all of our technological advancements are horseshit compared to the destruction we've inflicted upon the planet. I say, hey man, it's only cause jerks are in charge, all of our technology could be used for completely opposite effects including healing the planet (which I believe to be a living entity of some sort with a cosmic consciousness).

We are here, period, no clue how, but I believe there has to be a purpose, or an end, that is aimed for. That purpose, I believe, is to evolve. In Edgar Cayce's The Story of the Origin and Destiny of Man he says that there were originally 5 races of humans, from the perfect to the animalistic. Your dog can't comprehend that you work for your things so don't chew them, this is because he does not have the right mind for the job. It is up to his race of dogs to develop said mind one day.

Humans are the same way. We must develop a perfect mind and a perfect BODY for this mind, which I believe to eventually lead to humanity existing on a "higher dimensional plane" upon the completion of this perfect body. The perfect mind of course comes from cosmic spiritualism through meditation, and so on and so forth, HOWEVER, there is a one true God. I havn't made up my mind on reincarnation or anything after-life related, however the forms of worship we adhere to en mass are obviously infiltrated. Spiritual evolution I believe is centered around "we are one", expand as you feel.

So obviously evolution is a big deal to my philosophy.

However, if we destroy "them", I don't know what would possibly happen. The ideology of the NWO is that "we" are dumb, uninformed, unintelligent, not genetically (well, maybe) but because we simply are, and therefore our opinions shouldn't count, and I have to somewhat agree with it in an idealistic way (if they weren't so damn evil).

Think of it this way, should a steel worker who only watched Fox News really be allowed to vote for the presidency? He is uninformed and is inundated with brain-washing. This is where the NAzi idealism of national socialism comes into play, allow the intelligentsia to make the decisions the commoners are too stupid to even understand.

I equate this to the Jedi council, does that really sound so bad? A self appointed group of 12 of the greatest philosophical minds in the world (or galaxy) ruling? That sounds A-OK, just our Jedi's are jerks.
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03-06-2008, 07:28 PM,
#6
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
My answer to you Shadow Watcher is Islam. That should answer some of your questions, at least it does for me, I dont care about what everyone else thinks. I believe that Jesus was not murdered but was raised to the heavens before he was killed. The antichrist is the fake messiah whom are what the Jews and others will follow. Then the real Jesus will come down, destroy the Antichrist, and preach about how he did not make Christianity but sent a message to the people to believe in one God.
Well im not going to tell you everthing do your own research if you care.
You probably missed watching Zeitgeist. It contains lots of disinfo but explains the cross and various things well.
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03-06-2008, 10:40 PM,
#7
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
Shadow watcher, by the same logic isnt Islam the truth for all the slag were getting? I mean if truth is measured in counter pressure to your ideas, i think Islam takes the cake any day.

If there is a conspiracy, it is against patriarchal systems not Christianity in particular, nor Islam in particular. I would be surprised if the same pressure isnt applied to the Torah abiding Jews, they are just so used to be "under the radar" that we dont notice what they are being put through.

I see this every day in my life on billboards. A lipstick commercial that reads "if only my boyfreinds lasted this long" eg...The patriarchal systems are under mad attack, and someone quite obviously wants to replace it with a synthetic, utterly unatural unisex environment that will leave both men and women confused, and does.
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03-06-2008, 11:00 PM,
#8
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
Quote:I've thought about this so long and so hard, I don't even fuckin know anymore. I really think the only bastion of grace is to destroy all forms of federal government, removing all non-state-interested taxes and offensive invasionary wars (unless it's between states which would probably happen).

The philosophy of freedom (sigh) leads to anarchy, pure and simple, you NEED cops and you NEED taxes for firemen and you NEED a welfare system for invalids and such if you are to create a Utopian society in which a person's mind, ideas, and personal liberty are respected and always allowed to add to the discussion.

You say anarchy as if it was a bad thing, but it merely means "without leaders". And i too belive that to be to idealistic, however, if we started to break down humanity in smaller units instead of where were going, we can ensure that conflicts will remain local. We are who we are, we fight, always has, always will. The important thing is not to let any single group or individual into positions of too much power. And the larger the construct, the more power comes from it, the more destruction it will inevitable create.

So, our constructs (societies etc) have to be smaller. If i appoint someone to take care of business for me, i dont want that person any further away than i can go to his house and demand and explanation for saying one thing and doing another. The kebutz idea has proven to work now and then, it depends fully on who is in it, and what their motivation is.

Smaller cooperative groups has a chance of creating something good for all, larger groups will never be able to do such a thing. You dont know the guy on the street where you live, so you dont care. But if you know his first name, his problems becomes yours. It becomes in the interrest of everybody that the whole group is functional. We have to rething our legal system to one of reconciliation instead of just punishment. The groups has to really NEED every hand because it forces it to deal rationally with the mistakes we make.

In fact we have real heroes doing something like this allready. In argentina. The workers took back the factories that they were told couldnt make money. Started to make shitloads of money, became small productive communities for the benefit of everyone in the community where the factory was. It wasnt socialism, each individual factory decided how things were run. Should there be equal pay? does more responsability not come with a reward? etc...to each their own, but the result of these small communities spoke their own truth. Then along came "the man". And the reason "the man" had to strike down so hard as it did was because these guys are on to something!

They proved that what is essentially idealistic anarchy works! But only in small communities that then work together but never become as one. Never, EVER the fasi idea, because it sucks. A bundle of sticks that can be used for whatever, but not a bundle of sticks tied to a rod with an axes head, that can only be used for one thing. destruction.
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03-06-2008, 11:30 PM,
#9
whats your spiritual truth and its relation to this conspiracy
Even if the universe/multiverse were some sort of moebius loop or perpetual motion it allways land at the same fundamental question. "but why?"

Superstrings, billions of dimensions, chaos theory et all. none of them removes that fundamental question. At best science can prove "how". and thats good to know, as long as it is based on actual science and not hypothetical ideas dreamt up in bong sessions during the MIT years.

I altso find some sense in the program theory. The more we learn about the world engine, the more we understand how predictable it is. We are so new at it, that were bound to make mistakes and weong assumptions all the time, but it becomes more and more obvious that there is atleast some kind of "method to the madness". Still that can change, so i trust the few minor "insights" i have been allowed to rest asure that everything is as it is suposed to be, and that our fucktard race doesnt make an iota of difference in that running calculation, whatever we do(to ourself).
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03-07-2008, 03:12 AM,
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Quote:it is clear their war is with Christianity, not budda, wiccans, atheists, hindus, shamans, or satanism. so if there is no validity to Jesus' divinity why have they so clearly drawn the lines and waged war with Christ.

What about "the war on Islam"? Is that not also happening? Are there not also evangelistic christians in North America who actually "believe in" that and think its part of "the end times" and all that other bullshit?

Religions compete with each other like organized crime does. The problem is that your entire belief in "the conspiracy" is totally wrapped up within your religion so as to be inseperable from it. Thus anything you percieve to be "against christianity" is automatically "part of the conspiracy" and that is a logical fallacy on many levels, not the least of which is the fact that your system of judging things is totally subjective. Christians, Muslims, and so on, often, try to claim that they have an objective source of knowledge and judgment and information in their "holy books" and use that as a standard. However even those are interpreted subjectively.

Once you accept that all things are essentially subjective, and that the meaning and purpose you ascribe anything is a result of your subjective conception of reality, you cannot in good conscience go around telling people "what god says" or which books are authentically "gods word".

All books are "the word of god". If you want to use that whole god terminology, to describe the underlying essence of existence.

Quote:but there are plenty of satanists that do, really believe in satan perform blood rituals, human sacrifice, and do indeed worship him, and a good portion of them make up the governing elite.

Here is a more simple explanation. People who are psychopathic, sadistic, power hungry, monsters, are into hurting people for their own pleasure. Believing "satan gives them power because of it" or what have you, could easily be just another symptom of their sick and twisted minds. Then again, people like that would most likely already be pursuing occult studies so as to "increase their personal power" and would have no qualms about something like human sacrifice.
Thats kind of like saying "a bear shits in the woods" ya know?
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03-07-2008, 03:30 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2008, 03:36 AM by trueaim.)
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For those that have ears now listen, for here is truth!
Osiris is NIMROD
Bacchus is NIMROD
Dionysius is NIMROD
Zoroaster is NIMROD
Baal Tammuz is NIMROD
Moloch is NIMROD
Vulcan is NIMROD
Hermes Trismetgitus or Thoth is NIMROD'S father CUSH
Saturn is NIMROD'S father CUSH
Buddha is the reincarnation of the son NIMROD
Zues is NIMROD
Odin is NIMROD
Apollo is NIMROD
Horas is NIMROD
Hercules is NIMROD
Il is NIMROD
Pan is NIMROD
Ishtar is the mother and wife of NIMROD
Ashtarte is the mother and wife of NIMROD
Venus is the mother and wife of NIMROD
Aphrodite is the mother and wife of NIMROD
Wodan is NIMROD
Vishnu is NIMROD
Quexalcote is NIMROD
Etc, Etc, Etc

The originals of all the pagan gods were 3 human beings that once lived upon the earth a mother a father and a son, the mother becoming the wife of the son also! This trinity were descended from Nephilim. Pagan gods are only deified humans albeit Nephilim humans, which the early Christians threw in the face of their pagan opponents and the latter could not deny that fact!
All pagan gods resolve themselves into a trinity of mother, father and son including Roman Catholictism, with Sun and Nature worship the distinguishing feature of Pagan Idoltry. The testimony of ancient writers is that the gods were once humans who lived on the earth and after death had become the Sun the Moon and the Stars- Worship of the sons of Noah and objections to this is without foundation!
There exists only two original pagan gods and that is the chief god of the Assyrians who is the first earthly king and the founder of ancient Babylon CUSH and first teacher of Idoltry, its nature, Sun Moon and Stars and phallic worship also Magic called 'Accadian' The land of CUSH, and his son the second earthly king NIMROD 'King of the World' King of Babylon, King of Africa, King of Egypt! The giant NIMROD 'the mighter hunter' and his Queen is the only goddess who is also his mother Semiramis the 'Great Goddess Mother' Ishtar!
All mythology is based on this family who with the help of the Serpent Lord himself the one "who decieveth the whole world" and sought to replace and usurp the true God with his own false Idoltrous religion! He deceive by teahing their are many Lords and that they reside in the Sun the Moon and the Stars and in Nature and in dead Nephilim giants! but all this is just the evil genius of the Fallen One! the truth is there is but one true Lord! The Fallen One he decieves by tricking men into worshiping dead kings and Queens and trees and the earth and mysteries but all his cunning teachings only lead unto him that wished to be worshiped in place of the true Creator God of the human race! This is a war that has been waging since the dawn of man. The truth does exist for mankind to discover his true destiny but God gave us the gift of 'Free Will" we must find it ourselves! The Serpent Lord seeks to destroy us all or enslave us and turn us against our true Creator! He is the enemy of mankind and he wishes to prove to God that we are not worthy of his gift of 'Free Will' Do not be fooled by his deception for it is a work of pure evil genius and hate! But God's genius and love is much greater! and it is in his image that we are made!
for further knowledge go to
http://thecurseofplatoscave.blogspot.com/
&Is not my word like... a HAMMER that breaketh the rock in pieces&? Jeremiah 23:29
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03-07-2008, 06:09 AM,
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Sounds like youve been watching Zeitgeist too much :biggrin:
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03-07-2008, 06:25 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-07-2008, 06:29 AM by SerialExpLain.)
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Quote:All eyes on CERN L0L

Well, you just don't want any ooooooo, hope this blows up everything because a whole bunch of "grail" questers are paying and counting on it to fulfill their "occult" destiny. Have to give them what they want, and they want off "Creation".

Now, is that far fetched? Or is Shiva still "Holy Spirit" , holy spirit that would have no compunction about blowing everybody to Kingdom come. (Kingdom pre-SElected - option A orB). See if God can find his own in the strangelet goo. Oh, that is not oneness.

Well, my spirituality has changed dramatically under EMF BOMBARDMENT. Zen, I suppose is all you can hope for as the distruption is not very conducive to what was once as natural as breathing.

However, I will forever remain a Christian. I may wind up a Christian Zombie, but Christian never-the-less.
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03-07-2008, 06:32 AM, (This post was last modified: 03-10-2008, 05:26 AM by shadow watcher.)
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Quote:I believe that we should all free ourselves from belief in theism.

Quote:it is clear their war is with Christianity, not budda, wiccans, atheists, hindus, shamans, or satanism. so if there is no validity to Jesus' divinity why have they so clearly drawn the lines and waged war with Christ.
Shouldn't this paragraph have been started with I believe?

no, it shouldn't. i cant provide documentation for everything here, but it's there, research it.

George Bush Sr's name in skull and bones is "MAGOG" while used in the bible several times, it is used in revelation to denote the antichrists army. Why would he call himself this? clearly magog is Christs' enemy.

At bohemian grove they dress in dark robes and perform mock human sacrifices, and it has been alleged by a surviving underage sex slave from the franklin coverup that he watched another child murdered there.

Ted Gunderson FBI special agent in charge who had as many as 700 working under him, has spent his retirement years exposing the cia's involvement in child trafficking and details and documents the satanic ritual abuse that a lot of these kids go through and the subsequent coverups that ensue.

the concept for rock n roll was originally concieved by aleister crowley as a way to subvert a parents control over their children, even Hitler said give me the children and i'll change the world. this is why so many rock n roll bands are devoted followers of crowley. rock n roll continually blasphemes Christ, and glorifies satan, and children look up to them, and it turns them against their families. good exhaustive investigation into this is the 10 hr version of they sold their souls for rock n roll dvd.

out of the closets over the years there have been those who have claimed to be ex illuminati members who got saved, and became Christians, and have dedicated their ministry to exposing it, of which i cannot verify, but one that everyone should really look at and examine is John Todd.

He came on the scene in the seventies, and began talking about a vast satanic conspiracy, John was born into a powerful Illuminati family and rose up through the ranks until he was invited onto the Council of 13 or the Grand Druid Council.

There were a lot of smear campaigns ran on him, and eventually he was drugged and sent to a mental institution.

but unlike many of these other purported ex illuminati members, this one actually predicted things that would come true years later.

he accurately predicted the air traffic controllers strike of 1981 three years prior to the event.

He also predicted more strikes to take place from the major industries, coal miners and long shoremen like the ILWU strike that took place on the West Coast.

It is believed that these are all Illuminati orchestrated and you can expect more major ones to take place as they start accelerating their move to take the country down."

The following is a talk by John Todd to the Elkton Maryland Baptist Church when Dr.Berry was pastor in Autumn of 1978.

"Here is a quote from Todd's talk in this article that may interest you to read further!

Phillip Rothschild ordered one of his mistresses to write an 1100-page book that would describe to all witches how they would take control of the World through the Illuminati: It's called Atlas Shrugged. (By Ayn Rand) One of the things in it is happening on the front pages of the newspapers across the United States right now. In fact she spent a third of the book describing how they would raise the oil prices and then later destroy the oil fields & then they would also completely shut down the coal.

IT ALSO DESCRIBED HOW THEY WOULD BLOW UP GRAIN MILLS, how they would derail trains. Their sole purpose is to bankrupt their own companies and destroy their own companies until they destroyed the currency of the whole World, and still be so financially strong they would withstand it!"


wikipedia says about todd's incosistencies

Todd claimed to have served as a Green Beret in the Vietnam War; in fact, his discharge papers list him as a general clerk/typist and do not record him having been in Vietnam. Army medical reports referred to "emotional instability with pseudologica phantastica" (compulsive lying), difficulty in telling reality from fantasy, homicidal threats he had made on another, false suicide reports, and a severe personality disturbance. Todd also claimed in his testimony to have murdered an officer in Germany and to have escaped prison with the help of the Illuminati, but his records show no such things occurred.[3]

While Todd claimed to have left witchcraft in 1972 and converted to fundamentalist Christianity, accounts have him being baptized into a Oneness Pentecostal church in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968, and leading a Wiccan group in Ohio in 1976. When confronted with the latter by Christian evangelists, Todd said that he had gone through a period of "backsliding" during that time. However, when a number of other inconsistencies in Todd's story were reported in the evangelical Christian media, and Todd began denouncing many Christian leaders as part of the Satanic conspiracy or the Illuminati, most evangelists denounced Todd and cut off any further association; Jack Chick was the only influential evangelist to continue to defend Todd.[


Fritz springmeier believed John Todd was the real deal as well, and believes that a lot of this inconsistency can be explained with the satanic ritual abuse illuminati mind control programming he must've endured as a child.

check out more about john todd here

http://www.kt70.com/~jamesjpn/articles/joh..._illuminati.htm

Quote:(marko) Their war is against ANY old religion. They want them all replaced with the new age one...

There isn't anything new about the new age, the new age is the old religion.

Thank you all for being so candid and open about your beliefs, we may not all see eye to eye, but its definitely interesting to see who's in the house,

i hope to hear more.

God bless
LUKE 19:

37 And when he was come nigh, even now at the descent of the mount of Olives, the whole multitude of the disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen;

38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.

39 And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples.

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

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03-07-2008, 07:02 PM,
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Quote:no, it shouldn't. i cant provide documentation for everything here, but it's there, research it.
That's quite a cop out. If you're claiming facts SW then source them - it's not up for the reader to research your speculation or beliefs.

Quote:It is believed that these are all Illuminati orchestrated and you can expect more major ones to take place as they start accelerating their move to take the country down.
What country down? Don't you mean the globe or is does that not tie in with your nationalist ideology too?

Quote:
Quote: (marko) Their war is against ANY old religion. They want them all replaced with the new age one...

There isn't anything new about the new age, the new age is the old religion.

I take it that Christianity is not only the cause but the symptom of slavery - Aleister Crowley
reality is a manufactured illusion

Self delusion is all well and good until it catches up with you . . .
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