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More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
10-26-2008, 03:11 AM,
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
...and so the staged (s)election begins.

Quote:More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
In six cases, Democratic votes flipped to GOP

By Paul J. Nyden Staff writer

WINFIELD, W.Va. -- Three Putnam County voters say electronic voting machines changed their votes from Democrats to Republicans when they cast early ballots last week.

This is the second West Virginia county where voters have reported this problem. Last week, three voters in Jackson County told The Charleston Gazette their electronic vote for "Barack Obama" kept flipping to "John McCain".

In both counties, Republicans are responsible for overseeing elections. Both county clerks said the problem is isolated.

They also blamed voters for not being more careful.

"People make mistakes more than machines," said Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright.

Shelba Ketchum, a 69-year-old nurse retired from Thomas Memorial Hospital, described what happened Friday at the Putnam County Courthouse in Winfield.

"I pushed buttons and they all came up Republican," she said. "I hit Obama and it switched to McCain. I am really concerned about that. If McCain wins, there was something wrong with the machines.

"I asked them for a printout of my votes," Ketchum said. "But they said it was in the machine and I could not get it. I did not feel right when I left the courthouse. My son felt the same way.

"I heard from some other people they also had trouble. But no one in there knew how to fix it," said Ketchum, who is not related to Menis Ketchum, a Democratic Supreme Court candidate.

Ketchum's son, Chris, said he had the same problem. And Bobbi Oates of Scott Depot said her vote for incumbent Democratic Sen. John D. Rockefeller was switched to GOP opponent Jay Wolfe.

"I touched the one I wanted, Rockefeller, and the machine put a checkmark on the Republican instead," Oates said of her experience Thursday.

She said she caught the mistake, called over a worker in the county clerk's office and was able to correct her vote. But she worries other voters may not catch such a mistake.

When asked if she is sure she touched the box for Rockefeller, she said, "I'm absolutely positive."

Putnam County Clerk Brian Wood said on Saturday that he is upset there are "so many negative stories out there and not enough positive ones. We want people to vote. People need to know the facts.

"But we haven't had any major issues. We try to explain to voters how the machines work then they come in," Wood said.

In Putnam County, early voters have the option of asking for either touch-screen machines or optical scan ballots -- paper ballots on which people mark in their election choices.

Wood said some voters might not realize that touch-screen voting machines may take a few seconds to record their choices.

"The reaction time [on the machines] may be different. And when you hit the screen a second time, it cancels your vote," Wood said. "When you get in a hurry, if you go to fast and hit it again, you can cancel what you just did.

"The main thing people need to remember is that when you are done voting, make sure everybody you wanted to vote for has a check mark beside them," Wood said.

Ketchum said, "I am educated person. I know what I wanted. I am anxious to see who wins.

"My son Chris said, 'Mom, I didn't vote for the people who came up on that machine. I wanted to go back and vote again. I called the lady at the polls and she said it was my fault because of the way I was punching the buttons.'

"I want a paper ballot. I think it was very bad when they did away with paper ballots. I wish you had something in your hand that is a record of how you voted.

"I never felt that way before. It was early voting, so we went over there to get it over with. We won't do that again," Ketchum said.

Last week, three Jackson County residents said they experienced similar problems when they cast early ballots at the county courthouse in Ripley.

Virginia Matheney, one of those voters, said Friday, "When I touched the screen for Barack Obama, the check mark moved from his box to the box indicating a vote for John McCain."

Retired factory worker Calvin Thomas of Ripley said he experienced the same problem.

"When I pushed Obama, it jumped to McCain. When I went down to governor's office and punched [Gov. Joe] Manchin, it went to the other dude.

"After I finished, my daughter voted. When she pushed Obama, it went to McCain. It happened to her the same way it happened to me," Thomas said.

Jackson County Clerk Jeff Waybright, a Republican, said 400 other people voted without reporting any problems.

Wood said he and Waybright are both very careful to guarantee people's votes are recorded properly.

Wood said, "Voting machines are very reliable. I hate the fact that stories like this are printed. It makes everybody get scared.

"That is not good for anybody. Where the fault is, I don't know and the voter doesn't know. There needs to be good communication between the voters and the poll workers."

Wood offered this advice to voters: "The best way to solve this whole problem is that before you leave the voting booth, make sure on the review screen that everybody you want to vote for is checked."

More than 1,000 voters from 48 local precincts in Putnam County cast early ballots in the past three days, Wood said. Putnam County has 36,000 registered voters.
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10-26-2008, 04:45 AM,
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
Stoking the flames of revolution. If McCain wins the rigging will come out.
10-26-2008, 10:30 AM,
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
Simpsons joke about rigged voting machines
10-26-2008, 07:56 PM,
More W.Va. voters say machines are switching votes
Winfield, WV - Why are these folks voting early ? - quite strange

I too think paper ballots are better way, so I'm all for that.
but there is something fishy going on.

Am I the only one that thinks its peculiar that we are be set up in advance to get all our feathers ruffled about voting machine tampering ???
Being told that if McCain wins it is a fraud, in advance ?

What, they already know that Obama will win, therefore if he doesn't it must be a rigged election ?

seems as though the dems are working overtime at trying to get complete control of DC

side note FYI -
the majority of WV consistently votes democrat, due to the extremely large population of welfare people living there. They like the dems b/c they offer them more services and free stuff. Many there are totally enslaved to gov hand-outs, many there have become lazy and stupid (If I can't say it, who can) and feel they must look to the gov/dems for their future.
Many there know how to work the system to their advantage, as far as getting tax payer money goes. They see it as pulling one over on the man, yet do not fully grasp that the man is not in DC or some rich a-hole, but every one of us that earns a paycheck.
They do not understand that the man is all people lower middle to upper middle, while the rich always seem to escape pitching in.

I have great sympathy for the poverty stricken in WV, lots of their plight is out of their hands, they've been had, screwed by the Coal/Energy Companies. Yet, I also know that if they really wanted to, they could improve their situations without the governments help. Or in other words - without the government screwing all people with mediocre jobs to squander the cash on themselves, death, destruction and systems designed for spying on and regulating us, while only giving the poor a bone with strings attached.

If lots of us did this and it didn't show up after the count, we would for sure know that it was set up.

All this crap going on, yet they just keep voting for Rockefeller
&Alice laughed, &There's no use trying,& she said: &one can't believe impossible things.& &I daresay you haven't had much practice,& said the Queen. &When I was your age I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.&
- Lewis Carroll

&Things are seldom as they seem ... Skim milk masquerades as cream.&
- Gilbert and Sullivan (Pinafore)

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But a body of research that is getting more and more attention points to the ways that smart people working collectively can be dumber than the sum of their parts. .. Irwin Janis? &Groupthink:& is a mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' striving for unanimity override realistic appraisals ? It is the triumph of concurrence over good sense, and authority over expertise.&
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