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Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
01-01-2009, 01:35 AM, (This post was last modified: 01-02-2009, 10:38 PM by Easy Skanking.)
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Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG
Quote:I would expect that adding multiple coils per rotor would increase the torque too, as you're putting more energy into the rotor rotation, but that'll be interesting to find out for sure. Another question on my mind is assuming you can generate enough torque to spin the alternator, how much is it going to cost you in terms of input to all the coils vs how much you get out from the alternator. It may end up being counter productive. Maybe a this is where the idea of a heavy fly wheel could be used?

One thing we have seen that the wheel has some interesting characteristics to it. When the wheel is spinning in resonance with no additional mass or load on the wheel itself, it produces a certain voltage. If there is a small physical or mechanical resistance applied to the wheel while in that resonant point, there is more voltage that the charging load sees. This extra energy will rise to some resistance level before it stops giving extra juice (drops back to the resonant voltage) and then the wheel cannot support that great of a physical load and the system will slow down and eventually stop. So like everything else here, there is a sweet spot that the system wants to run in. Having a free spinning wheel gives a certain output and then slightly increasing the wheel load gives an additional boost to the charging load. Go too far and the wheel won't run.

So, the objective here is to get the weight of the extra rotors in the sweet spot so there is additional energy output from the SSG side while spinning the conventional generator at it's required speed. Increasing the number of coils may be the way to get to the sweet spot as the weight of the extra rotor is fixed.

Quote:What exactly is back emf anyway? Since I'm still an electronics newb this is a fuzzy concept at best. Also I'm confused about the relationship between the back emf and the radiant spike are they different or is the radiant spike just another name for the back emf? Got a lot more reading to do.

Back EMF = Back Electromotive Force - which is a physical aka mechanical resistance to motors, generators and spinning wheels. This is an inverse relationship with the output energy from a motor or generator. Peter Lindemann has some good lectures and books on this particularly.

Back EMF = Back Electro Magnetic Fields - this is the reaction of the active vacuum (aka curvature of space-time) that is in relationship to conventional positive electricity whether DC or AC. This is radiant energy. If the conventional current is a fast transient with sharp gradients, then the back EMF or radiant spike is sharper than the original signal in amplitude and shorter in duration. The reaction of space-time is dependent on the amplitude and duration of the conventional current input. What the exact relationship is, I do not know.

The potential of this radiant energy seems to carry components of many kinds of potential, like negative energy, positive energy and mechanical energy at the least. It seems the only limitation to collecting these extra components is our cleverness in design.

Quote:I'm trying to understand how the circuit can be improved from the basic SSG setup to get more radiant energy out of it and get a COP of > 1.0 in terms of what I'm putting into the system on the input side vs what I'm getting out of the charging batteries via load testing them. You're way ahead of me so maybe you could give me a better idea of this...

The biggest factors to maximizing the radiant output are
1- having a system that is in resonance as far as RPM / Magnets Per Minute vs. current draw of the primary
2- having the supply voltage pulse with a very large amplitude and very short duration

Of course you have to scale the system components to deal with the conventional spike you are feeding it. The radiant energy operates on the skin effect so it is not directly affected by those components. Inductance changes and impedance changes in the system will create additional radiant inflow as well. Go back in this thread to see the experiments when we added additional inductance coils into the system.


Quote:In my own setup of the basic SSG I've got one coil and one transistor. My input current in 0.09 amps and the output to my charging battery is about 0.02 amps. In terms of what I'm putting into the charging battery, as indicated by a multimeter vs what I'm getting out of the charging battery I've got a COP of maybe 1.05 or something very small. So it appears I am getting some radiant energy from somewhere. However in terms of overall system COP it's very low far less than one maybe around 0.23, because I'm putting in 0.09 amps and getting out only slightly more than 0.02 amps from the charging battery plus a little bit of radiant. I know the output current into the charging battery will always be less than the input current and there is hidden radiant somewhere. The goal is to multiply the radiant part to the point where it goes above what my total input is into the system.

The amount of conventional current into your charging battery is NOT what is charging the battery. That you want to get as low as possible while having a low draw on the primary AND while getting the maximum RPM/MPM from the wheel. The drain from the primary is what is powering the electromagnets and driving the wheel. The reaction of space-time to the changing fields is what is being collected to charge the battery.

This particular SSG configuration is not a fast charging system or very efficient. The main point is to see what is going on and to produce a charging that will condition the battery and increase it's capacity and performance.

Quote:It looks like you're using multiple transistors now and that would multiply the switching and the radiant spikes but that would also increase the input current as well. How much does your current increase for each transistor you add? Also is the overall system COP improving with more transistors? What about the capacitor what's the advantage to using that? I know the capacitor will convert the negative radiant energy into positive energy but that's about it. Any other advantages? On the coil connected to the capacitor I notice the power side isn't connected to the primary battery, is it working like a generator making a very small dc current and in addition also capturing the radiant spikes in the capacitor?


When using one transistor the primary current draw was about 83mA. Two transistor circuit was about 78mA and with the four transistor circuit, the current is 75mA on the primary. Does that bake your noodle?;)
As these circuits are all in parallel, they use less power the more you put on the circuit, to a point. Bedini has mentioned this before specifically regarding the number of charging batteries.

The isolated output section is set up like the original Bedini SG circuit that used a trifilar winding. The trigger and power coils are closed loop with the primary battery and the third winding is isolated into a rectifier and cap network to discharge into a battery bank. In mine, I just used two coils. Electrically, the system sees ONE trigger coil and two output coils, the same as the original patent. One is a normal SSG and the second has a trigger side for the conventional pulse but the output is fed directly to the rectifier network and so on. The isolated winding does see an induced conventional voltage and it also gets radiant spikes. The cap converts the radiant energy into a more conventional charge and that charge is discharged into the battery. The SSG setup uses the radiant spikes themselves to charge the battery. This is less efficient as the battery is less capable of absorbing the fast transients and storing that charge as conventional electricity. A cap is better at this, so it would serve better when used in an output section as a collection device. Now as to which method is more efficient or faster or longer lasting, I am not sure yet. I have not been able to do long term testing on the iso output yet to make comparisons.
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RE: Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG - rsol - 02-09-2011, 07:24 PM
Bedini Monopole Energizer SSG - mastermg - 10-29-2008, 05:09 AM
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